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I truly believe that when the killers planned this , they never thought that people would be interested in the deaths of a "bunch of drug dealing, redneck hillbillies in a some town in Ohio.

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I have to disagree, that's like saying that when ISIS were posting all those beheading videos on Youtube, they never imagined people would be interested in the obscure victims.

The extreme violence of Mexican drug cartels isn't because they're inherently ruthless people: it's because, like all other terrorist groups, they discovered the power of the free publicity they get out of random, ruthless violence. In an area with poor policing, the best way to take over is to murder innocent people and hang their bodies from an overpass with a sign saying 'We're in charge here now, if you upset us, this is what will happen to you'. Viola, everybody lets them take over, rivals are scared off. It's a business strategy, that actually has nothing to do with the actual victims.
 
I think looking for a 'rational' reason for the killing of the family in Pike County is like looking for a rational reason for the the Las Vegas massacre: maybe the crowd was making too much noise and he couldn't sleep, maybe he hated country music....

Obviously, the Las Vegas shooter did it because he knew it would be a huge deal, he'd get enormous publicity. Something about it gave him a thrill.

I'd put it more generally, when people are murdered, it's never really because of something they did. It's because they had the misfortune to marry, date, do business with, hang out with/cross paths with a murderer. The 'motive' only refers to whatever triggered that particular person's murderous impulses, which normal people wouldn't react to.
 
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I've started some of my Christmas baking today, so have been ruminating on this case while I sling flour and sugar. So please indulge me a little ruminating.

At the time the Rhodens were murdered, the ballot initiative to legalize MJ in Ohio had failed. Voters thought it was structured to set up cartels, giving just a few wealthy execs and celebs complete control over all cultivation, distribution and sales. The opposing groups (and I can't recall their names) wanted a law that would allow individuals and small Ohio farmers to grow and sell. Both sides were still slugging it out in the news media, preparing to introduce a new ballot initiative.

No doubt people like CRSr would have liked to see something pass allowing smaller grow ops. He had kept his nose clean and with some of the property he had, may have qualified for a permit under a plan that gave licenses to many smaller Ohio grow ops. But what if there were other honchos in the region who wanted to apply as large scale grow ops? It's been said (and I'm no expert) that the conditions for growing MJ were optimal in that area around Pike, Adams, Brown. Scioto counties. So there might have been some growing competition among groups that wanted to apply for permits if MJ was legalized.

What if the big/wealthy landowners and business folk were busy talking to Ohio pols to pressure them to pass a new law that would restrict MJ growers only to big, wealthy companies. We know the small growers around the state were busy fighting to have a more open kind of grow law. What if the little guys like CRSr had already been working and competing with the big wealthy landowners, who could afford to buy protection. The whole issue of competition for who would be able to get local grow permits combined with access and pressure on local politicians in the statehouse became so heated that threats were made and people were killed. Could be CRSr knew enough about what bigger MJ growers were up to. Maybe they were also selling or transporting hard drugs. CRSr could have made a threat that was going t compromise someone's ability to have a clean permit. In that case, federal agents in the area could be the wild card. CRSr could have bypassed local LE, who might be looking the other way on big growers/dealers activities, but federal agents would be much less likely to do so.

The whole thing blew up, Rhodens were massacred and LE/prosecutors covered it up as quickly as possible while stiff arming the feds.

The growers in the Ohio MJ cartel who get permits to grow, process and sell will become extremely wealthy. They will show their appreciation to any locals who helped them get there, as is already seen in the permits recently issued. Lots of payback for the pols who quickly rammed this bill through. The Homan family is just one example. Check the permits recently granted to other big growers and you'll see the same things. Out of town big money investors, local rich guys with links and lot of donations to politicians, etc.

So, yeah, DeWine and all the other pols just want the Rhoden murders to go away. They want the new growers, processors and sellers to get licensed and in production and passing along favors as soon as possible. Everyone will be happy.

Thanks! I like yours too! Very festive! I've been over on the Mariah Woods thread (so sad) but still can't shake thinking about the Rs and HHG. Ohio has really done a number on just regular folk who want to start a business in the industry. It's just wrong. You have given me food for thought. I would not doubt that the Rs would stand their ground, nor make a threat. I tried to download the pdf but it's being hard to get along with.

Did we ever hear about what happened with the fella who was busted (or set up) at the post office. I don't remember their name off the top of my head, or even if it was listed, but iirc, they skimmed right out of that. Something was off about that. You don't pick up that much pot, at the post office, and just waltz away. I've also wondered if there was some sort of connection with these two, in the link. Now this is a grow op. When all falls into place, indoor grows will probably be the preferred method. I wonder who snitched on these guys, and if the Rs knew them? They busted them one month and a day, after the Rs were murdered, but had been investigating them for months. These folks were bringing down major bank, and had .a weed growers dream set-up.

http://www.maysville-online.com/new...cle_47f8f552-443f-5f06-92d5-5531e3a176c8.html
 
IMO, CRSr and KR don't sound like the kind of guys who would want LE involved in their grow op business. They strike me as being very independent, managing their own affairs with family. They knew how to steer clear of the law and keep things under wraps.

Also recall how there were so many nuisance tickets that J Manley received. It looked as though LE was pulling him over regularly for the "no seat belt" and "busted tail light" type of offenses. Could have been harassment or pressure if he was also involved in the grow op.

LE, in poor counties, are more likely to pull folks over for those types of auto related offenses too. It is one thing that brings money into their coffers, in addition to allowing them to scope out the inside of your car, smell your breath, try to find a reason to search it, and try to rack some more charges up. If the person can't pay the fine, they get fined for not paying, work out payment plans, then fined for late payments, have to go back to court, pay court costs, etc... over tail lights and seat belts. It seems though, that as much as they all got pulled over, they'd put their seat belts on. They didn't. They pretty much flouted it, and, iirc, never got any drug related charges, or duis.
 
LE, in poor counties, are more likely to pull folks over for those types of auto related offenses too. It is one thing that brings money into their coffers, in addition to allowing them to scope out the inside of your car, smell your breath, try to find a reason to search it, and try to rack some more charges up. If the person can't pay the fine, they get fined for not paying, work out payment plans, then fined for late payments, have to go back to court, pay court costs, etc... over tail lights and seat belts. It seems though, that as much as they all got pulled over, they'd put their seat belts on. They didn't. They pretty much flouted it, and, iirc, never got any drug related charges, or duis.

LE does the same thing in the big cities and suburbs. As tax revenues continue to shrink, they rely on criminalizing poverty to raise money. I'm just skeptical enough to think it's possible some folks who are pulled over do have their seat belts on. Who will take the poor guys word over the cop if there aren't any witnesses?
 
BCI told me that I did upset the family after i took some video and pics from UHR and that by being "nosey"I have introduced myself into a bad situation and "that things aren't looking well for you".I'm also a lurker on Topix and i'm thinking after i did post a few comments about someone laughing at the death of the family,that maybe they were able to find out my identity that way.

They said they found my number from the white pages.

Driving past a piece property, and taking a couple photos, shouldn't have really upset anyone. There's videos, and pics, all over the internet, of the R properties, or did you actually go onto the properties? The latter makes it very different.
 
Thanks! I like yours too! Very festive! I've been over on the Mariah Woods thread (so sad) but still can't shake thinking about the Rs and HHG. Ohio has really done a number on just regular folk who want to start a business in the industry. It's just wrong. You have given me food for thought. I would not doubt that the Rs would stand their ground, nor make a threat. I tried to download the pdf but it's being hard to get along with.

Did we ever hear about what happened with the fella who was busted (or set up) at the post office. I don't remember their name off the top of my head, or even if it was listed, but iirc, they skimmed right out of that. Something was off about that. You don't pick up that much pot, at the post office, and just waltz away. I've also wondered if there was some sort of connection with these two, in the link. Now this is a grow op. When all falls into place, indoor grows will probably be the preferred method. I wonder who snitched on these guys, and if the Rs knew them? They busted them one month and a day, after the Rs were murdered, but had been investigating them for months. These folks were bringing down major bank, and had .a weed growers dream set-up.

http://www.maysville-online.com/new...cle_47f8f552-443f-5f06-92d5-5531e3a176c8.html

The last time I checked, nothing had happened to the guys involved in the pot via US Mail /shatter lab crime. How does that happen? We still have that incident in the Rhoden Murders timeline here. Maybe we should add the Mayhill Rd pot bust, too. What do you think? It may be related in some way, even if not directly, to the shatter lab bust, Rhoden murders, etc.

When I get some time, I need to review that timeline again. Let me know what else you think should be added. It's up in the Media & Timelines thread.
 
It's just a thought but how sure are we that the W family had nothing to do with this? If they were really planning to go to Alaska before all this happened do you think HR would have allowed her daughter to go to Alaska? It makes it a lot easier now that she's out of the way to keep their family together. Did anyone hear why HR' s daughter was picked up on Thursday instead of Friday?

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We aren't, but they've not been named as suspects, or pois, so we are a little limited in how we discuss them.
 
I think looking for a 'rational' reason for the killing of the family in Pike County is like looking for a rational reason for the the Las Vegas massacre: maybe the crowd was making too much noise and he couldn't sleep, maybe he hated country music....

Obviously, the Las Vegas shooter did it because he knew it would be a huge deal, he'd get enormous publicity. Something about it gave him a thrill.

I'd put it more generally, when people are murdered, it's never really because of something they did. It's because they had the misfortune to marry, date, do business with, hang out with/cross paths with a murderer. The 'motive' only refers to whatever triggered that particular person's murderous impulses, which normal people wouldn't react to.

Agree, its hard to read the mind of a murderer. In the case of the Rhodens, though, it was a team of killers who did the job. It's one thing to have a crazy thought or impulse and commit mass murder, but it's different if you have to convince a group of people to go along with you in an elaborate plan to murder several, in 4 different homes over a couple of hour's time. Even hardened criminals have a difficult time being motivated to kill people in such a risky scenario unless all of them were in a rage at all 8 victims at the same time.

Rage killings are usually impulsive, done quickly with little planning. This one took some planning and rehearsal, scouting, etc. I have a hard time believing a bunch of guys were sitting around, getting high, saying "Darn, Chris Rhoden ripped me off on this pot, derby car again! Let's grab our guns and go kill the guy and his family! While we're at it, let's make sure we steal all the surveillance cameras and make friends with the dogs and sneak up so we can shoot them in their sleep."
 
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I have to disagree, that's like saying that when ISIS were posting all those beheading videos on Youtube, they never imagined people would be interested in the obscure victims.

The extreme violence of Mexican drug cartels isn't because they're inherently ruthless people: it's because, like all other terrorist groups, they discovered the power of the free publicity they get out of random, ruthless violence. In an area with poor policing, the best way to take over is to murder innocent people and hang their bodies from an overpass with a sign saying 'We're in charge here now, if you upset us, this is what will happen to you'. Viola, everybody lets them take over, rivals are scared off. It's a business strategy, that actually has nothing to do with the actual victims.

Agree. From the beginning, this seemed very much like someone sending a message to LE or anyone else who might cross them. It was a power move intended for a wide audience.
 
Rsd, I'm following your line of thought somewhat. Seems to me the Rhoden's were lossing a lot of profit in the MJ business, as you mentioned it was becoming legal and prices going down. With all the cars, it seems to me they were going into that business as a new direction for money. I wonder what other side lines would bring in good money ? Frankie was raising game *advertiser censored*, Dana was selling cars for another person, wasn't the family getting into breeding and selling hunting dogs also ? Buying properties and who knows what else they got into? Could one of these new ventures have gotten them killed? Where they getting to big for someone else? Could all the "rumors" of some of the family members having "big mouths" and bragging of what they had, have been enough for someone to silence them? Maybe person/person's were worried about "their" businesses and their names becoming public?
I truly believe that when the killers planned this , they never thought that people would be interested in the deaths of a "bunch of drug dealing, redneck hillbillies in a some town in Ohio.

Iirc, DR, was detailing the cars that CR1 was purchasing, and fixing. The folks who owned the BBL , also owned the car lot, where DR placed her cars. I too think they were going to try and get a license at some point and start their own lot. CR1 and FR were good mechanics, and DR seemed to be a hard worker. I keep wondering about all of them being connected with these two businesses. Did they come across something that they had to die for? All of the deceased, had ties to one or both businesses, in common.
 
LE does the same thing in the big cities and suburbs. As tax revenues continue to shrink, they rely on criminalizing poverty to raise money. I'm just skeptical enough to think it's possible some folks who are pulled over do have their seat belts on. Who will take the poor guys word over the cop if there aren't any witnesses?

BBM
Same. I had an experience when I was young, that makes me believe this. I also don't doubt it happening in the poorer parts of cities, at all.
 
Iirc, DR, was detailing the cars that CR1 was purchasing, and fixing. The folks who owned the BBL , also owned the car lot, where DR placed her cars. I too think they were going to try and get a license at some point and start their own lot. CR1 and FR were good mechanics, and DR seemed to be a hard worker. I keep wondering about all of them being connected with these two businesses. Did they come across something that they had to die for? All of the deceased, had ties to one or both businesses, in common.

True. I also agree with the theory that the purchase of DR's home was to improve their chances of keeping HR's daughter and new baby from being taken by the W's. It doesn't strike me as being a business venture, though I could be wrong. I also keep going back to LM's remarks about the disruption that went on at UHR a week or so before the murders, with LE coming out and treating the family badly. Then boom ...big massacre of an entire family followed by LE locking everything up and letting the case go cold.
 
The last time I checked, nothing had happened to the guys involved in the pot via US Mail /shatter lab crime. How does that happen? We still have that incident in the Rhoden Murders timeline here. Maybe we should add the Mayhill Rd pot bust, too. What do you think? It may be related in some way, even if not directly, to the shatter lab bust, Rhoden murders, etc.

When I get some time, I need to review that timeline again. Let me know what else you think should be added. It's up in the Media & Timelines thread.

The Mayhill and State Route-348 busts are connected, too, it read, and the Rte-348 bust was near the Pike County Line. It was the smaller of the two that was "just a short distance from where the Rhoden family were murdered three months prior." (I had my dates confused in my earlier post.)

http://local12.com/news/local/adams-county-shuts-down-massive-pot-grow

I have not seen anything else, news wise, about the Eurys. I'd have thought that the news folks would have been there, reported, on court day. Maybe I'm just overlooking it. This was a major grow op. Nothing like anything I've ever seen. He and the wife were in construction so he had the equipment.
 
True. I also agree with the theory that the purchase of DR's home was to improve their chances of keeping HR's daughter and new baby from being taken by the W's. It doesn't strike me as being a business venture, though I could be wrong. I also keep going back to LM's remarks about the disruption that went on at UHR a week or so before the murders, with LE coming out and treating the family badly. Then boom ...big massacre of an entire family followed by LE locking everything up and letting the case go cold.

The big disruption shows me that they were ready for that and willing to beat the crap out of them for whatever reason it was, that they were there. This is why I don't think they saw this coming. These folks were fighters. They'd not have been caught off guard like this, if they thought they were in danger. Not that they would have won the fight, but they'd have at least got some shots off, and maybe even nailed one. The Rs very likely had firearms and knew how to use them. I think they were just blindsided.
 
The big disruption shows me that they were ready for that and willing to beat the crap out of them for whatever reason it was, that they were there. This is why I don't think they saw this coming. These folks were fighters. They'd not have been caught off guard like this, if they thought they were in danger. Not that they would have won the fight, but they'd have at least got some shots off, and maybe even nailed one. The Rs very likely had firearms and knew how to use them. I think they were just blindsided.

Good point. Whomever came after them the night of the murders was someone they didn't expect. Perhaps people they didn't know or know very well. But whomever it was, they knew the Rhodens, their habits, where they lived and slept, the weapons they did have, etc. What caused them to be "off guard", I wonder? Was there some reason why they thought the people they had been fighting with in weeks prior were not a threat at that time? Were there usually a lot of gossip, texts, etc. that warned them when the local folks were coming over for a fight? If so, the local grapevine must have been quiet the night of the murders.
 
The Mayhill and State Route-348 busts are connected, too, it read, and the Rte-348 bust was near the Pike County Line. It was the smaller of the two that was "just a short distance from where the Rhoden family were murdered three months prior." (I had my dates confused in my earlier post.)

http://local12.com/news/local/adams-county-shuts-down-massive-pot-grow

I have not seen anything else, news wise, about the Eurys. I'd have thought that the news folks would have been there, reported, on court day. Maybe I'm just overlooking it. This was a major grow op. Nothing like anything I've ever seen. He and the wife were in construction so he had the equipment.

It still seems odd that, with these big MJ busts coming close after the Rhoden murders that the other locals were shipping pot in for their shatter lab via USPS. Seems like there was a lot available in the area. Or, as you say, it may have been someone setting them up for a bust.
 
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I have to disagree, that's like saying that when ISIS were posting all those beheading videos on Youtube, they never imagined people would be interested in the obscure victims.

The extreme violence of Mexican drug cartels isn't because they're inherently ruthless people: it's because, like all other terrorist groups, they discovered the power of the free publicity they get out of random, ruthless violence. In an area with poor policing, the best way to take over is to murder innocent people and hang their bodies from an overpass with a sign saying 'We're in charge here now, if you upset us, this is what will happen to you'. Viola, everybody lets them take over, rivals are scared off. It's a business strategy, that actually has nothing to do with the actual victims.

And that's why the local Ohio politicians quickly passed the medical MJ law. It's a pretty strict law, according to the way its written, covering only people who have a doctor's prescription. Seems there will still be a demand for recreational users who can't get one. The numbers of patients the new growers are expecting to serve, according to their applications, seems rather small. Some anticipate only serving a couple hundred patients per year the first 2 years.

How does this explain the state giving a permit to an AZ company, one of whose owners has "agricultural" businesses headquartered in Sinaloa, Mexico and who has business associates and friends in the Sinaloa cartel?
 
The big disruption shows me that they were ready for that and willing to beat the crap out of them for whatever reason it was, that they were there. This is why I don't think they saw this coming. These folks were fighters. They'd not have been caught off guard like this, if they thought they were in danger. Not that they would have won the fight, but they'd have at least got some shots off, and maybe even nailed one. The Rs very likely had firearms and knew how to use them. I think they were just blindsided.

An intruder or two may have been shot that night at CR1's place for all we know. It sounds like there could have been a shoot out with his wounds....
 
The Mayhill and State Route-348 busts are connected, too, it read, and the Rte-348 bust was near the Pike County Line. It was the smaller of the two that was "just a short distance from where the Rhoden family were murdered three months prior." (I had my dates confused in my earlier post.)

http://local12.com/news/local/adams-county-shuts-down-massive-pot-grow

I have not seen anything else, news wise, about the Eurys. I'd have thought that the news folks would have been there, reported, on court day. Maybe I'm just overlooking it. This was a major grow op. Nothing like anything I've ever seen. He and the wife were in construction so he had the equipment.


Most of the plants came from a state of the art underground growing operation located beneath a massive building on Mayhill Road. It was estimated it could produce $4 million worth of pot in a year.

BBM

For the sake of argument, what if we decide to believe DeWine when he said the R's had a major grow op? The R's also had a massive building on the property. CR1 also had heavy earth moving equipment. He used it to work at BBL. Could there have been a huge grow op under that barn/building on the property?

And could they have had a partner. Maybe best friend BW or RW of BBL or both?

It would make sense about BJM coming every day to "feed the animals". We have long speculated that she might have been helping with the MJ.
 
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