OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #36 *Arrests*

[Myland]

Do you have a link to the verbal fighting when she was born?

I don’t think I can post it here. I said verbal but it is really written.

 

[rsd1200]

Cold dose of reality to sit in that courtroom and listen to all of the charges against you when after over 2.5 years you had thought you'd gotten away with it.....

Here are some other photos of JW from the Daily Mail. He looks a little shocky to me, especially if you zoom in on his eyes in the one photo. But not as scared as his victims must have looked.
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He is in stone cold culture shock. Not even any visits from his mommy, daddy or grandparents. I'm trying to refrain b/c in the eyes of the law, he is innocent until proven guilty, but that look, is someone who is staring at a very bleak future. I'd suggest a hair cut, and visiting the weight room.

 

[rsd1200]

That was a Cumins Diesel Tat on JW's arm. That is a truck engine. Probably because he went to Diesel Mechanics school and was a truck driver...

Good eye, Dudly! Thank you! It's been bugging me.

 

[rsd1200]

I too said it could be done by hunters. But I knew from the day they searched the W's properties which hunters it was. The W's. I knew that LE would not waste the resources of three counties plus state and federal resources to search properties of people they did not think was guilty of this crime.

Also that "laser focus". It put the spotlight on the W's worldwide. No way LE would have hung the W's out there if they did not know they were guilty of this crime.

JMO

They were in my list, but, I didn't see them doing it solely over custody. I think we may still see some other issues pop up. Broken up friendships, broken up relationships, possibly broken business ties, then, little S, and possibly K, become objects of control.

 

[rsd1200]

Those indictments were based on evidence that the grand jury saw and had access to. So therefore there was solid evidence seen by a grand jury behind each of the 23 indictments.

JMO

Most times a Grand Jury will indict a ham sandwich. While I agree that there is damning evidence in there, (that silencer, and its' matching fluff, at the scene, for one), it is on the prosecution to convince the jury, and the defense will be asking some tough questions when their turn rolls around. Just b/c the "grand jury" moved it forward, will not be enough, at trial time.

 

[OsoTejano]

An interesting thing is when I search Ross County court records, I found an A. W. vs.T. G. for child support.

It may be another AW. The AW in that case looks like she was seeking a URESA (interstate enforcement for child support) from a Volusia County,FL judgement.

 

[pepper 34]

Jmo I thought he meant SW but after seeing the verbal fighting going on the day of the birth I am not sure,

I can't see how an argument between a brother and sister about an ex-boyfriend coming to the hospital to visit a newborn baby is "a custody issue." There were 3 possible fathers of the newborn and a DNA test had to be done before any of the 3 could take it so far as to even begin arguing about custody issues imo.
Meanwhile, there was heated arguing going on concerning S and the R family and W family, both, became involved in that argument. Jake was trying to get Hanna to sign custody over to him and relinquish her parental rights of S, as I understand it. That is a custody issue and one that was on-going. I think it's pretty cut and dried but I don't have to agree with you to respect your opinion just the same.

 

[rsd1200]

Do you have a link to the verbal fighting when she was born?

I have (or had, if my disk ate them too) screenshots, but we aren't allowed to use those. It was on their FBs, when they were still public. Convo between HMR, FW, and HHG, within a couple of hours of K's birth. She was adamant that CG was not permitted to be there. FW and HHG were trying to sway her. It got terse.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Hello sleuths

I feel that it was about more than custody.
If Jake couldn’t have Hanna, no one else could either. moo

Custody + obsession. moo

 

[Normrock]

Most times a Grand Jury will indict a ham sandwich. While I agree that there is damning evidence in there, (that silencer, and its' matching fluff, at the scene, for one), it is on the prosecution to convince the jury, and the defense will be asking some tough questions when their turn rolls around. Just b/c the "grand jury" moved it forward, will not be enough, at trial time.

Where was matching fluff from? Also, has DA Junk ever prosecuted a death penalty case before?

 

[rsd1200]

It may be another AW. The AW in that case looks like she was seeking a URESA (interstate enforcement for child support) from a Volusia County,FL judgement.

Seems like I remember us discussing this back at some point in time. She was in the military in FL, but she had been living FW's place, at least since '92. She had GW3 in '91 and and had JW, eleven months later, Nov. 92. He was arrested just days after his 26th birthday.

 

[OsoTejano]

He is in stone cold culture shock. Not even any visits from his mommy, daddy or grandparents. I'm trying to refrain b/c in the eyes of the law, he is innocent until proven guilty, but that look, is someone who is staring at a very bleak future. I'd suggest a hair cut, and visiting the weight room.

From all that I saw from the video, he looks to be showing considerable anxiety and fear to the point of having to emotionally detach from his circumstances.

At the very minimum guilty or not, the next year or so is going to be spent in a cage with a very bad group of people. Franklin County like many big cities has more than its share of violent offenders jailed at any given time. Definitely a different culture than he is used to.

 

[Myland]

I can't see how an argument between a brother and sister about an ex-boyfriend coming to the hospital to visit a newborn baby is "a custody issue." There were 3 possible fathers of the newborn and a DNA test had to be done before any of the 3 could take it so far as to even begin arguing about custody issues imo.
Meanwhile, there was heated arguing going on concerning S and the R family and W family, both, became involved in that argument. Jake was trying to get Hanna to sign custody over to him and relinquish her parental rights of S, as I understand it. That is a custody issue and one that was on-going. I think it's pretty cut and dried but I don't have to agree with you to respect your opinion just the same.

The thing that bothers me about custody being the reason even more after that posting is if you are in a heated custody battle would you be posting stuff like that about the boys you are hanging with for the public to see and be used against you in a custody battle. If they did do the murders I think it was more than custody. JMO

 

[Willow Knight]

I have wondered that also. He could have been the one staying home with the kids.

Regarding JW. This puts a sick feeling in me, maybe that is the reason it took awhile to build this case, LE knew who the killers were, but not able to place each one individually at the scene.

 

[OsoTejano]

Where was matching fluff from? Also, has DA Junk ever prosecuted a death penalty case before?

Hate to say it, but DA Junk hardly inspires confidence from me. Given the whole situation around the Joel Jenkins saga along with the Shatter lab case that got dropped, SMH. Fortunately,the Ohio DA’s office has seats on the prosecution team for this case.

 

[Gracie55]

In my often shifting opinion, JW possibly began stalking HR after they broke up.

The stalking started with him breaking into her FB etc. he probably knew her passwords from when they were together (or maybe she even used a W device to get online at times and it was stored) to snoop on her new love interests.

This snooping escalated into audio surveillance, cameras etc, and eventually flared into murder.

Maybe AW became aware of HR moving on , and reacted with anger because HR had hurt her son.

Maybe AW felt like she needed to rescue the child from something made apparent in the surveillance.

Thursday's arraignment should be interesting. Ok. Maybe not interesting. Just more monotony of numbers etc. We will analyze her expressions and body langusge, and the spectators too.

But what if she pleads guilty to the murders? Legal Eagles out there is this likely?

Later at trial maybe she will say JW, due to his stalking, might be guilty of some charges, but he didn't know she (and maybe another) planned to murder HR and her entire family.

It seems anticlimactic to have to wait after the excitement of the arrests to find out the straight skinny on all this.

 

[rsd1200]

Where was matching fluff from? Also, has DA Junk ever prosecuted a death penalty case before?

From my understanding, it was found at the crime scenes. Silencers usually leave behind, what I call, "fluff", after each use. Now they may have made one that did not, so I could be wrong and they may not have retrieved any fluff. The Ws did leave behind actual pieces of a silencer, and then LE also found a whole one, again, from my understanding. I don't have the indictments pulled up right now. My computer crashed near the day of the arrests and I'm flying by the seat of my pants.

 

[rigsby2]

They were in my list, but, I didn't see them doing it solely over custody. I think we may still see some other issues pop up. Broken up friendships, broken up relationships, possibly broken business ties, then, little S, and possibly K, become objects of control.

It's just mind-boggling to try and grasp the decisions made that lead to this. AW saying "HR" was like a daughter. She also said GWsr and CR 1 "we're more like brothers than friends". I guess as you say other relationships broke.

I've wondered, though not seen this anywhere, this is TOTALLY my wandering mind...DR and CR1 divorced, though it appears amicable. Is it my possible one of them had a more intimate relationship with AW or GWsr at some point that also created hostility? (MODS please delete if this type of speculation isn't permitted and my apologies!)

Lastly, the scene at CR1's. BJM's 911 call definitely said there was blood everywhere and something like "it looked like someone beat the hell out of them". So what were they wearing that they didn't leave DNA...or did they? And just how long did they stay there with two dead men while they waited to continue killing the rest of the family....

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Hanna held all the cards regarding custody of SW. moo
After all, Jake had engaged in improper sexual contact with a minor.
She could’ve tied him up with criminal charges and caused issues with the family court if she wanted to. moo

She couldn’t be bullied or intimidated into signing over custody because she had the upper hand. moo

 

[rsd1200]

From all that I saw from the video, he looks to be showing considerable anxiety and fear to the point of having to emotionally detach from his circumstances.

At the very minimum guilty or not, the next year or so is going to be spent in a cage with a very bad group of people. Franklin County like many big cities has more than its share of violent offenders jailed at any given time. Definitely a different culture than he is used to.

BBM
Agree. He better find him a friend or two. Like, yesterday.