Lalalacasbah
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It's really hard to watch Leonard, it's so obvious he so deeply wounded over this.
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This was not cartel, hit men, military, security or trained killers. Too many shots for any of those. What was it 32 gsw? A hit man needs 8. Period. Not cartel or a middle man. Too noticeable. Locals know locals. If an outsider is hanging around, a local saw the middle man then and someone would say something about seeing CR spending time with some guy that wasn't from around there. Surely someone would mention any new people around the town. This was a person that knows the family and has been to all the homes. I don't think there would be any reason for CR1 to just go around giving tours of all the property he owns. People keep saying this was sophisticated and professional but in reality I've been through a few scenarios in my head and have come up with different ways these murders could be pulled off in a matter of minutes. It's not that hard to think about it and plan it. LE knows it's local. That's probably why they haven't requested much help from different agencies. I believe they probably have a very good idea who did it and they are trying to build a case and waiting for the killers to mess up.
Trying to catch up is like trying to bail with a sieve.
Cameras: Our security cameras upload directly to an external server. I don't know about trail cams, but it doesn't make sense to me that data would be stored locally.
Their lifestyle: It is what it is, there. I just don't see any connection in the big picture. With all the information that has come to light, I still think (and I said this in an earlier thread) that BJM's 911 call was "off". She offered info about the door being locked, when the operator didn't ask if the door was locked. Then again, it's easy to analyze it from the safety of our own homes. :thinking:
Also, is there a reason that we dont want to compromise our investiagation (Smile now ) why they cant tell us where what etc about the doggies. I wanna know if they are OK. I can not come up with a reason why that should be this big secret wth?
It's really hard to watch Leonard, it's so obvious he so deeply wounded over this.
I love Leonard. I think he is quite the character and probably a pretty good representative of the family. The way he talks, acts, dresses. When he says "no, now I ain't gonna talk about that". His son must have got his truck back, that's the way you do it. I remember that two trucks were towed from the scene. I believe they said one was connected to the murder and the other was not. I think the sons was towed about tags if I recall. I hope he wasn't charged a tow fee or impound fees. Some folks need to talk through their grief. I think he's great
Does anyone know if they still had their phones on them or if they were taken.
Here's some info I posted in thread 5 re dogs:
I sent an email to Mike Campbell from WHIO regarding the dogs. Its been driving me crazy wondering about the dogs. Here is his response:
"I’ve been down there all week and spoken off-camera to some family members. No one indicated anything bad happened to any of the
Dogs or other animals. I believe they are fine, no reports of any problems."
Campbell, Mike (CMG-Dayton) Mike.Campbell@cmgohio.com
So not difinitive but IMO if dogs were actually missing/injured/dead it might be an issue?
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I think the only issues are the pit bulls. The other dogs are coon dogs or hunting dogs if I recall. Coon dogs are generally mild mannered and easy to get a long with. They're used for hunting not protection
This was not cartel, hit men, military, security or trained killers. Too many shots for any of those. What was it 32 gsw? A hit man needs 8. Period. Not cartel or a middle man. Too noticeable. Locals know locals. If an outsider is hanging around, a local saw the middle man then and someone would say something about seeing CR spending time with some guy that wasn't from around there. Surely someone would mention any new people around the town. This was a person that knows the family and has been to all the homes. I don't think there would be any reason for CR1 to just go around giving tours of all the property he owns. People keep saying this was sophisticated and professional but in reality I've been through a few scenarios in my head and have come up with different ways these murders could be pulled off in a matter of minutes. It's not that hard to think about it and plan it. LE knows it's local. That's probably why they haven't requested much help from different agencies. I believe they probably have a very good idea who did it and they are trying to build a case and waiting for the killers to mess up.
Skimmed to catch up, tried not to miss too much but I've been gone a lot today.
Has this been posted yet? Sorry if it has.
Interview with Kenneth Rhoden, Gary's dad. I wouldn't mess with this man, he seems tough as nails, either that or it's the grieving.
Reporter asks him what he'd say to the person or persons responsible, he says "Well, really? You might not want to hear it." Reporter: Wanna give it a shot. His answer; "I'd like to take 'em and torture 'em".
He thinks it's more than 2 people, they laid out/figured out everything, it was laid out.
[video=youtube;4NCX8nLDnX8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NCX8nLDnX8[/video]
This video is incredibly sad to watch; his grief is palpable.
I got mad at these press guys in the beginning because anyone could see this man is dealing with an enormous amount of pain. He was fighting back tears yet also seemed numb and dazed. Like his mind was somewhere else a million miles away. (I'm sure it probably was.) He was only giving them one word answers to begin with and the guy just kept asking questions and shoving the microphone in his face. After a minute or two, he started to elaborate on his answers a bit more so I guess he was okay with their questions.
I'll give the reporter guys a pass just this one time. :crazy:
We don't have any idea, the DA hasn't mentioned the phones.Does anyone know if they still had their phones on them or if they were taken.
I want to talk about Coon dogs. Someone on the thread earlier said these folks abused their animals because they were tied up. Wrong.
Because of the kids and Hannah, one could have controlled that situation by threatening Hannah and the kids.