GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #2

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Wise Old Owl said:
There was a blanket taken from the basement of the third house by LE. That blanket was tested and was found to have 3 separate DNA (semen) samples. One was ID's as MR's (I think - could have TM's) but the other two was just presented as "unidentified".

I found that very strange - especially since it was being introduced in a courtroom during a trial. They just focused on the one that was ID's as one of the defendants. But still, I would seriously want to know who the other two were - wouldn't you? Wouldn't a jury? Wouldn't both the defense and the prosecution? Why there were no further legal steps taken to compel samples from others - IDK.

I was just wondering if a GJ would have the authority to compel DNA samples? I don't think so - but then again, could be.

HTH

JMHO
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They would need a warrant to compel DNA samples from other individuals. And for a warrant they would need probably cause. I don't know enough about who was at which party/house to know if probably cause existed against any other individuals. But of course, just the existence of DNA on that blanket would not be enough to convict anyone of anything. If the other defendants werent saying anyting about other boys raping her, then there wouldnt be anywhere (at that time) for the prosecution to go with it. The defense would not want to pursue it because it would simply tend to show that it truely was a gang rape and doesnt help their clients.
 
I just want to reitterate one thing that keeps bothering me about those that defend the rapists:

For your logic of how they thought she was coming onto to them, was a drunken *advertiser censored*, etc...one would have to accept the following as true:

Wow...this chick is completely wasted, passing out, puking all over herself, she totally WANTS me!!!
 
"Heather Bizub, a BCI expert in DNA testing, said three samples of semen were tested from the blanket. Two of the semen samples came back positive as coming from Mays. The third test was determined to be insufficient for DNA testing. Also, a single sperm cell was found on the victim's pants, even though the pants were washed and collected later from investigators.

Bizub said there was insufficient data on the pants to determine a source."

http://www.hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/584335/Victim-to-testify.html?nav=5010

Lets stick to the facts as they were brought out in trial.

Also, from the same article, and while I am at it:

"Jean-Philippe Rigaud, who had been the Steubenville Police juvenile detective investigating the case in its early stages before leaving to become a BCI special agent, reviewed the initial stages of the investigation and the evidence collected during his testimony.

The case is being prosecuted by the Ohio Attorney General's Office, which took over prosecution after Jefferson County Prosecutor Jane Hanlin stepped aside.

Rigaud said the victim and her parents provided some information about the case, including the names of people who may be involved. One of the suspects mentioned was Hanlin's son, C****** K*****. Rigaud said the investigation showed K***** wasn't involved."
 
MissSunshine said:
Fell short? They didn't fall short, they raped a girl. It is their actions that ruined their life; there is no one else to blame but them.
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Thee is wise, Miss Sunshine. I agree, let's not get it twisted.

Not reporting might be falling short
Not making these rapists stop might be falling short
But -don't read if easily offended- repeatedly penetrating an underage intoxicated girl for hours, video taping it, photographing it, sharing it on social media and trying to get papa coach to cover for you is not falling short. It is being a brute, a and a rapist - rapists who did not want to get caught because they knew what they were doing was a crime.
 
http://www.xojane.com/issues/steubenville-rape-verdict-alexandria-goddard

I hope this OK to post. This post from Alexandria Goddard, the woman responsible for bringing the case to light, is one of the most heart-wrenching things I have ever read. It brings me such sadness to see what this woman went through simply because she wanted to help bring justice to Jane Doe.

Ms. Goddard is a very brave woman and am happy that she can proudly hold her head up high and find solace that doing the right thing trumps everything else. She is a pure example of doing the right thing in the face of severe bullying.

If you are reading this, Ms. Goddard, God Bless you for your efforts in this case and for simply doing what was necessary to bring the truth to light.
 
i.b.nora said:
"Heather Bizub, a BCI expert in DNA testing, said three samples of semen were tested from the blanket. Two of the semen samples came back positive as coming from Mays. The third test was determined to be insufficient for DNA testing. Also, a single sperm cell was found on the victim's pants, even though the pants were washed and collected later from investigators.

Bizub said there was insufficient data on the pants to determine a source."

http://www.hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/584335/Victim-to-testify.html?nav=5010

Lets stick to the facts as they were brought out in trial.

Also, from the same article, and while I am at it:

"Jean-Philippe Rigaud, who had been the Steubenville Police juvenile detective investigating the case in its early stages before leaving to become a BCI special agent, reviewed the initial stages of the investigation and the evidence collected during his testimony.

The case is being prosecuted by the Ohio Attorney General's Office, which took over prosecution after Jefferson County Prosecutor Jane Hanlin stepped aside.

Rigaud said the victim and her parents provided some information about the case, including the names of people who may be involved. One of the suspects mentioned was Hanlin's son, C****** K*****. Rigaud said the investigation showed K***** wasn't involved."
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I don't understand this. How was K***** not involved? Wasn't it his house that the last party was at??? And even if he wasn't involved, these were his friends. How can Hanlin justify not recusing herself from the case due to her intimate relationship with the defendents? She personally spoke to the parents of the victim and tried to convince them not to pursue the case. She personally made the decision to take this through the juvenile system. She single-handedly saved these guys YEARS in prison!!! :furious:
 
TheDuchess said:
http://www.xojane.com/issues/steubenville-rape-verdict-alexandria-goddard

I hope this OK to post. This post from Alexandria Goddard, the woman responsible for bringing the case to light, is one of the most heart-wrenching things I have ever read. It brings me such sadness to see what this woman went through simply because she wanted to help bring justice to Jane Doe.

Ms. Goddard is a very brave woman and am happy that she can proudly hold her head up high and find solace that doing the right thing trumps everything else. She is a pure example of doing the right thing in the face of severe bullying.

If you are reading this, Ms. Goddard, God Bless you for your efforts in this case and for simply doing what was necessary to bring the truth to light.
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I agree, Ms. Goddard, you have no reason to feel ashamed for bringing this heinous crime to light.

I'm know I shouldn't be surprised, but why people continue to blame the victim is beyond me! This case has disgusted me, I have even felt shame for this young girl.

Then to hear defense counsel for Ma'lik (spelling) say he shouldn't have to be known as a sex offender and only after he is dead, infuriated me. I believe one of the conditions was that both boys will have it on adult record, correct?

The father of Ma'lik feels that his son was wrongly convicted because he only had one text message. Now, I understand he is angry and he admits he was a poor father figure to his son, but to say his son shouldn't be convicted when it is clear he participated in this, denial doesn't get you freedom. JMOO
 
Ms Goddard is not only an example to all women, but hopefully a role model for Jane Doe. Jane, you are courageous, beautiful, and worthy. If you are reading this, know you are not alone, and you are supported by people all over.

IF -if, if, if- you feel drinking might be a problem for you, there is help baby girl. That is no excuse to what those cabrones did to you. Been there done that, and today I know it was not my fault. Again sweetie, if you are reading this and feel maybe drinking ain't as fun, check out your local resources. Sobriety changed my life. It can change yours too

:grouphug:
 
seattlechiquita said:
omg guys... a little humor that shows hoe idiotic rape apologists are:

http://youtu.be/zWLJZw9Ws-g
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I am sometimes not a fan of Onion, but this piece is just brilliant!!!

"We are his friends and don't think about him raping someone...I mean, if he wants to talk about it then we'd be happy to!"

"He averaged 22 points a game a frehsman...no amount of raping is going to change that!"

But I think my favorite line is "yeah...coach was really mad that I had to miss practice because I raped someone."

You can literally sub in Trent Mays for the player in the story and Coach Reno for the coach and booster.

What is scary as just how close to actual reality this is!!!
 
I hope that the response from certain media outlets and social media users do not stop any past, present, and future Jane Doe's from reporting rape. There is already so many rapes not reported out of embarrassment and shame, I would hate to see anymore go unreported.
 
MissSunshine said:
I hope that the response from certain media outlets and social media users do not stop any past, present, and future Jane Doe's from reporting rape. There is already so many rapes not reported out of embarrassment and shame, I would hate to see anymore go unreported.
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That's the horrible part of this, it will affect the reporting of rape by high school and college girls. How could it not? This is a real set back for women.
 
Redbird said:
That's the horrible part of this, it will affect the reporting of rape by high school and college girls. How could it not? This is a real set back for women.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. Not entirely anyway. I think ultimately a lot of good will come out of this. Certainly the spotlight has been on Steubenville, and although there are some there that appear to be unwilling to acknowlege the wrongdoing, I suspect that the silent majority do understand and will call for changes. Just because it isnt apparent doesnt mean its not happening, or wont happen. What is also important is to understand that this story isnt just about Steubenville and football players. This behavior and culture is in every community to some degree.
 
PrairieWind said:
I'm not sure I agree with that. Not entirely anyway. I think ultimately a lot of good will come out of this. Certainly the spotlight has been on Steubenville, and although there are some there that appear to be unwilling to acknowlege the wrongdoing, I suspect that the silent majority do understand and will call for changes. Just because it isnt apparent doesnt mean its not happening, or wont happen. What is also important is to understand that this story isnt just about Steubenville and football players. This behavior and culture is in every community to some degree.
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bbm and bravo! I hope this case reaches everyone everywhere. I hope it creates change.
 
PrairieWind said:
I'm not sure I agree with that. Not entirely anyway. I think ultimately a lot of good will come out of this. Certainly the spotlight has been on Steubenville, and although there are some there that appear to be unwilling to acknowlege the wrongdoing, I suspect that the silent majority do understand and will call for changes. Just because it isnt apparent doesnt mean its not happening, or wont happen. What is also important is to understand that this story isnt just about Steubenville and football players. This behavior and culture is in every community to some degree.
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I think this is major progress, along with some other significant things that have happened over the last few years. It shows that no matter where you live or what your status is, if you sexually assault someone you will pay the price for your actions. The medias role has helped to bring attention to how big this problem really is. Survivors and others are shouting out in record numbers and standing together. "We" (general) will not back down and we will stand up to anyone that takes this behavior lightly. We will surround victims and protect them. Hopefully in time, victims will not fear coming forward because the support they receive will far outweigh what a few might say.

We need to continue to call the media out and others in positions of power (church, politicians, etc.) when they make inappropriate statements.

Education is vital.
 
MissSunshine said:
I hope that the response from certain media outlets and social media users do not stop any past, present, and future Jane Doe's from reporting rape. There is already so many rapes not reported out of embarrassment and shame, I would hate to see anymore go unreported.
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That's the scariest part in all of this for me, as a survivor myself. I had hoped we had come further than this in educating society on these issues. I'm heartbroken for Jane Doe - I don't care how much she was drinking, there is absolutely no excuse that justifies what was done to her.

As for the "justice" system there, I don't even have the words. There should be a way for a victim to appeal a sentence to a higher court too in cases like this... With the judge being so closely involved, surely there is some higher court in Ohio that can step in in regard to her license as an officer of the court. Surely there are laws that were broken in this trial - and if not, then there should be some kind of law to prevent these types of things from being allowed... All MOO!

I can't say much more than this about the case because it's just all so horrible to fathom, really...

Prayers for Jane Doe and her family and friends. I pray they can somehow move far away, and that somehow she can heal, and put this behind her.

I send my love, and virtual hugs to this young lady... I honestly can't imagine her pain especially now. There is no way anyone with half of a conscience could consider this true justice for her in any way whatsoever.

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow: -- and these views in the comment above are definitely are influenced by the mood I'm in at the present moment. I'm personally so tired of hearing about, and dealing with such messed up people in this world, right now... :( :banghead:
 
BeginnersLuck said:
I think this is major progress, along with some other significant things that have happened over the last few years. It shows that no matter where you live or what your status is, if you sexually assault someone you will pay the price for your actions. The medias role has helped to bring attention to how big this problem really is. Survivors and others are shouting out in record numbers and standing together. "We" (general) will not back down and we will stand up to anyone that takes this behavior lightly. We will surround victims and protect them. Hopefully in time, victims will not fear coming forward because the support they receive will far outweigh what a few might say.

We need to continue to call the media out and others in positions of power (church, politicians, etc.) when they make inappropriate statements.

Education is vital.
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I hope you are correct... I can't find the silver lining in this right now. I had truly thought that over the last 30 years we had come much further than this... Especially in regard to how things are handled in the national media in this case. :anguish:

Now I really do need to take a break from the threads I've been reading and commenting on today. I need to regroup and get a better attitude, and some strength back... :(
 
Redbird said:
That's the horrible part of this, it will affect the reporting of rape by high school and college girls. How could it not? This is a real set back for women.
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I view it, and I feel it the same way... I thought we had come further than this in the last 30 years. I'm not giving up, mind you. Just that cases like this sometimes make me wonder if speaking out as a survivor really makes a difference... I know in my heart it does, but my feelings right now are not reflecting my commitment to making a difference - I just feel depressed right now... :(

OK, now I really am forcing myself to take a break for a while...
 
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