Howarth Family media statement regarding their family and home's (non)involvement in the crimes and other events of August 11 & 12 2012: http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/...dited_media_statement_from_Howarth_family.pdf
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...Just that cases like this sometimes make me wonder if speaking out as a survivor really makes a difference... I know in my heart it does, but my feelings right now are not reflecting my commitment to making a difference... now I really am forcing myself to take a break for a while...
CNN or ONN? Hard to tell.
CNN or ONN? Hard to tell.
I hope you are correct... I can't find the silver lining in this right now. I had truly thought that over the last 30 years we had come much further than this... Especially in regard to how things are handled in the national media in this case. :anguish:
Now I really do need to take a break from the threads I've been reading and commenting on today. I need to regroup and get a better attitude, and some strength back...
I view it, and I feel it the same way... I thought we had come further than this in the last 30 years. I'm not giving up, mind you. Just that cases like this sometimes make me wonder if speaking out as a survivor really makes a difference... I know in my heart it does, but my feelings right now are not reflecting my commitment to making a difference - I just feel depressed right now...
OK, now I really am forcing myself to take a break for a while...
Meanwhile two insiders at CNN exclusively told TheWrap that the controversy had hit reporter Poppy Harlow, covering the events in Steubenville, particularly hard.
"Poppy is taking this extremely personally as a woman," said one executive. "She's outraged that someone would think she'd do such a thing" as slant her coverage toward rapists. "It's gotten so out of control."
H Family media statement regarding their family and home's (non)involvement in the crimes and other events of August 11 & 12 2012: http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/...dited_media_statement_from_Howarth_family.pdf
I wish the judge would have made a clear statement of what the young men did wrong instead of saying learn how to use social media wisely. It seems a lot more people need to be educated. jMo
Disgusting outcome on #Steubenville trial. Remember kids, if youre drunk/slutty at a party, and embarrassed later, just say you got raped! Twitter response by DJ from U of Toledo.
Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/local/20...ngry-backlash-online.html#PWTSTfE76bT5ERkJ.99
http://www.toledoblade.com/local/20...dict-victim-sparks-angry-backlash-online.html
I found CNN's insider response to the video of Poppy Harlow after the verdict to be extremely troubling:
LINK HERE
Now, assuming that the insider source reporting is accurate-
I cant believe on top of everything she would actually play the "I am a woman" card. That is immaterial to her comments and her attitude and what was broadcast. Did she not review this material herself? It is pretty cut and dried. There is nothing blown out of proportion here regarding people's outrage.
CNN will make a grave error if they choose not to address this loud and appropriate feedback. jmvho.
The Duchess: I won't begrudge your feelings regarding J.H.'s non-involvement. Having not seen all of the tweets nor heard all of the testimony, I can't say what he did or didn't do. The media statement says that J.H. didn't witness the photo of Jane Doe being carried by T.M. & M.R., which many have described as how the group exited the Howarth residence, but says that he was with the group for 20 minutes after the photo was taken before the parties left.
On Dr. Phil, G.A. talked about how he had no involvement in the case and couldn't believe that his friends were capable of rape, and then he shows up in text message evidence with knowledge of the events close to the time they took place.
I'm reserving judgement in this case, at least until after the Grand Jury. There is a whole lot of evidence that none of us know about, and those who have been the most fervent in using media to "tell the true story" have tended to be those with the most guilt so far.
BBM-They thought they would get off because so many of their friends, family and other adults told them they didn't do anything wrong! :furious:
I found CNN's insider response to the video of Poppy Harlow after the verdict to be extremely troubling:
LINK HERE
Now, assuming that the insider source reporting is accurate-
I cant believe on top of everything she would actually play the "I am a woman" card. That is immaterial to her comments and her attitude and what was broadcast. Did she not review this material herself? It is pretty cut and dried. There is nothing blown out of proportion here regarding people's outrage.
CNN will make a grave error if they choose not to address this loud and appropriate feedback. jmvho.
I know...when I heard that statement from the judge, it really made me stop and say WHAT????
It sounded like he was saying that social media was the PROBLEM!!! In other words, I hope they learn that raping a drunk girl and then posting it online will get you CAUGHT!! I don't really think that is what he was really trying to say. I think he was trying to say that when these things start running around on social media, and you jump into the mix, you then become involved and can ultimately get in trouble as well.
Am I giving him too much credit?
How stick a sock in it POPPY!!! How anyone can think she could do such a thing??? Are you kidding??? YOU were the one who made the statements we all saw and heard with our own eyes. You painted a perfect picture of just how heart wrenching the scene in the courtroom was and how tragic it was that the VERDICT ruined these promising young men's lives forever.
We did NOT hear you say that their ACTIONS ruined their lives. We did NOT hear you say how the VICTIM'S life and her family's lives were ruined!!!
If she was a true reporter and really wanted to show the "drama" of the courtroom, she could have and should have juxtapositioned the boys' "drama" against the backdrop of the victim's "drama." Their drama is NOTHING in comparison!!!:furious:
Thanks and I do understand your point. I have actually NOT seen any tweets or any evidence in the media about JH's involvement in the case, other than it was his house they were at and that he was part of the "rape crew."
That said-I am clear that he and his parents are ultimately responsible for allowing these kids to leave that home. If they had wrapped a car around a tree and killed them all, trust me-those parents would be responsible. But a rape took place in the street in front of their house and they aren't???
I actually don't believe that for a minute. You think these boys 15 and 16 REALLY did not know what they are doing was wrong?? I DOUBT IT. That is a total cop out. And when that didn't work they said she was coming on to them. Even my 7yo knows something like this is inappropriate...it was nothing I had to 'teach'. It's basic human decency and anybody that doesn't realize that is an imbecile.
No, their house was not involved. IIRC, the first party was at an asst coach's house, the 2nd was JH's and the last was MC's. From testimony, his only involvement was being at the first party and then his name being mentioned by JD's mother or aunt at the hospital. JD said later this was a mistake and CK was not involved. I do think though that Hanlin caused some of the suspicion about him when she made her statement claiming he was not in town at the time of the rape. By "not in town", she knew he was at another party in a town 5 miles away, I guess. She also knew he'd been mentioned in the ER report. She was playing a loose game with the facts at that time and it bit her in the butt, IMO. Based on other rumors, I'll be watching for his name after the grand jury meets though...I don't understand this. How was K***** not involved? Wasn't it his house that the last party was at??? And even if he wasn't involved, these were his friends. How can Hanlin justify not recusing herself from the case due to her intimate relationship with the defendents? She personally spoke to the parents of the victim and tried to convince them not to pursue the case. She personally made the decision to take this through the juvenile system. She single-handedly saved these guys YEARS in prison!!! :furious:
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I do feel bad for JH, as it is quite apparent that he is not a rapist nor part of any "rape crew." But he did, in fact, allow that poor girl to leave his home with the drunken boys.
I was struck with how lucky JH was to have been just out of earshot or out of the room during any of the events testified to at the trial. We saw him enter the room at the end of MN video, and how many kids were there describing the horrible things happening to that girl? One talked about going outside to check on her just before JH came into the room. But JH didn't know a thing or notice her condition when he was making sure there was a sober driver... as was commented on, the parents didn't notice the crowds outside yelling about urinating on her, etc., etc. Sounds to me as if this might be practice run of their story for the upcoming grand jury, but if it is truth they also need to remember their names didn't pop up out of the blue and they do hold some responsibility.(snipped for brevity)
I'm reserving judgement in this case, at least until after the Grand Jury. There is a whole lot of evidence that none of us know about, and those who have been the most fervent in using media to "tell the true story" have tended to be those with the most guilt so far.
IMO, rather than blame the vehicle (social media) he should have addressed the intentions of those using it. Bullying, shaming and humiliating a victim. Social media, after all, is what was used by LE to bring justice to this girl.I think the Judge's statements are being misinterpretted. His verdict on the rape is loud and clear on that matter. But he went on to address the social media issue. And it is a seperate issue, or issues. This girl was victimized both by being raped AND by having those photos/video posted. And this is a problem that is becoming more and more common with kids; the posting of incredibly inappropriate material on the internet, twitter, or just via phone messaages. AND the fact that some of the sick behaviour that kids will do just for the purpose of being photo/filmed to post. The use and abuse of social media is in itself causing poor and harmful behavior by our youth. I think this is the message that the judge is trying to send. And I think it is a very important message that is being missed.