Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

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It's great you took flowers and that LE is open minded to the EVP sessions.

I first heard of EVP on a late night talk show I listened to when I was a truck driver. That stuff would scare me to pieces. I drove nights and when the radio played sessions from EVP is made things really spooky.

Just trying to think outside of the box here. Sometimes answers do nit match up. Loke a delay or a different question being answered. Have you considered looking into MP'S named Georgia?


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Or the nation of Georgia.

There's a town named Georgia in Vermont. I thought there was one in Washington state, too, but Googlemaps doesn't show it, so I'm probably remembering wrong.

Maybe Georgetown? Lots of those.
 
Has that dirt road always been there? And is it actually a road or a tractor path, ATV path, driveway?

There's a town in Ontario called Georgina.
 
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Lost my first post so I'll try again here. Sorry about the orientation of the pics. Trying to figure out a bunch of new tech at once. The third pic is her approximate dump site. First pic I simply turned to my left and snapped the image. Second pic is the eastern most tree line of Brukner.

My friend that does the EVP work had a good meeting with Detective Huffman who brought another detective with him. Neither had heard of EVPs. She reported to me they were very impressed with what they heard but couldn't go to the gravesite with her for a session. They did tell her they would follow up on anything she brought them however. I gave her a list of questions I had seen posed here. An isotope test is being considered. New pollen testing is scheduled to be done. Details of the autopsy such as tox screen, and specific injuries or conditions have not and will not be released because it is an open murder investigation. In talking to my friend since the meeting she has asked for a first name (still Bev or something that sounds like that), a last name (nothing consistent), where she is from (Georgia, twice), and that she did not know the man that killed her. I also heard a session where "Bev" said to "visit more." I'm a softie, so I thought I would take flowers out there from all of us. :)

Welcome to Ws. Fugitive Minister, thanks for bringing flowers to the site!
Sounds interesting, wondering what, or who is an EVP?
 
Welcome to Ws. Fugitive Minister, thanks for bringing flowers to the site!
Sounds interesting, wondering what, or who is an EVP?

It's explained a couple of pages back.

eta: farther back than I thought. post with Fugitive Minister's EVA info

It's a serious paranormal investigative technique. My attitude is kind of, "yeah, right, tell me another one," but a local LE office is taking it rather seriously in an attempt to clear up a land fraud case (poltergeist phenomena whenever the supposed heir makes a real estate transaction), so I guess I'm willing to withhold my judgement for now.

Especially since a number of us have had weird unexplained dreams about BG...she really seems to want to be located and identified. Maybe sometimes thoughts like that really do push through from beyond the beyond.
 
It's explained a couple of pages back.

eta: farther back than I thought. post with Fugitive Minister's EVA info

It's a serious paranormal investigative technique. My attitude is kind of, "yeah, right, tell me another one," but a local LE office is taking it rather seriously in an attempt to clear up a land fraud case (poltergeist phenomena whenever the supposed heir makes a real estate transaction), so I guess I'm willing to withhold my judgement for now.

Especially since a number of us have had weird unexplained dreams about BG...she really seems to want to be located and identified. Maybe sometimes thoughts like that really do push through from beyond the beyond.


Yeah, as I wrote pretty far back, for a solid 7-day week, I had these tragic and graphic nightmares about Buckskin Girl's murder. I had never before had dreams about any true crime case, and only one after (where I shoe-shopped with Steven Avery, LOL). Off topic, I know, but most of my dreams take place in a in imaginative, surrealistic universe, and it was quite odd to see a very real young woman get murdered. I was even more surprised to hear other people had similar dreams.

Oddly, they only stopped after I dedicated more of my time to reading about her murder. The dreams absolutely could mean nothing, but I guess I kind of took it as a sign of her suffering. Every time I see her PM photo, I can see the pain and sadness on her face. I tend to not be a believer in these sort of things normally, but I swear she's reaching out to several of us.

I have the same views on EVPs normally too, carbuff. I'm also thinking: as this point, why not? There's not a whole lot else to go on, plus who knows, maybe something could come from it.
 
Or the nation of Georgia.

There's a town named Georgia in Vermont. I thought there was one in Washington state, too, but Googlemaps doesn't show it, so I'm probably remembering wrong.

Maybe Georgetown? Lots of those.

Vermont kid here: I grew up 20 minutes away from Georgia, Vermont, I lived in the same county (Franklin County) and went there regularly. I've since moved to the West Coast, though.

Oddly, one of my mother's friends (who would be about Buckskin Girl's age) grew up in Columbus, Ohio, and ended up in Georgia, Vermont by her twenties and until her mid-fifties. (She doesn't know Buckskin Girl, though--of course I would be the one to casually email one of my mother's friends, whom I haven't spoken to in a good 7 years, to ask if she knows an unidentified murder victim).

Anyway, back on track: if Buckskin Girl was from Vermont, how would she end up in rural Ohio? 13 hours seems very far to drive to dump a body, especially since Vermont has tons of rural areas where a body could probably easily be hidden and never be found (which I'm guessing is most likely where Brianna Maitland's remains are). I wonder if she was a Vermonter and going to college in Ohio or something.
 
Vermont kid here: I grew up 20 minutes away from Georgia, Vermont, I lived in the same county (Franklin County) and went there regularly. I've since moved to the West Coast, though.

Oddly, one of my mother's friends (who would be about Buckskin Girl's age) grew up in Columbus, Ohio, and ended up in Georgia, Vermont by her twenties and until her mid-fifties. (She doesn't know Buckskin Girl, though--of course I would be the one to casually email one of my mother's friends, whom I haven't spoken to in a good 7 years, to ask if she knows an unidentified murder victim).

Anyway, back on track: if Buckskin Girl was from Vermont, how would she end up in rural Ohio? 13 hours seems very far to drive to dump a body, especially since Vermont has tons of rural areas where a body could probably easily be hidden and never be found (which I'm guessing is most likely where Brianna Maitland's remains are). I wonder if she was a Vermonter and going to college in Ohio or something.

Going to college in the Ohio region, married and moved away, got a job there, on vacation, working in trucks and truck stops--any number of possibilities. The US is a highly mobile society. People are always traveling.
 
I'm in New England, and I've been to OH a couple of times, twice in the late 80s. I dated someone who was going to college in Cleveland. The last time I went it was in the 90s because my then BF (a different one LOL)had a house there. And, you are right, there are plenty of places in VT where one could hide remains, which is what I suspected happened to the Reapps, too, and no need to travel so far. That's why I'm thinking they may have just been passing through on their way to someplace else maybe.
 
I'm very excited that they're doing the pollen testing and hope that they do the isotopes too. Both are very useful tools

It's explained a couple of pages back.

eta: farther back than I thought. post with Fugitive Minister's EVA info

It's a serious paranormal investigative technique. My attitude is kind of, "yeah, right, tell me another one," but a local LE office is taking it rather seriously in an attempt to clear up a land fraud case (poltergeist phenomena whenever the supposed heir makes a real estate transaction), so I guess I'm willing to withhold my judgement for now.

Especially since a number of us have had weird unexplained dreams about BG...she really seems to want to be located and identified. Maybe sometimes thoughts like that really do push through from beyond the beyond.

Thanks Carbuff; we share the same view; I don't know if I believe in it, but it's worth a shot. Will paste in the post to make it easier for those on cell phones. I want to read back thru it after I give grandson a bath.

Hi everyone! I am very heartened to see how many people are still thinking about this young woman and working to identify her. I have spent the whole day reading all 72 pages of this thread.

Except for the 20 minutes I spent on Greenlee Rd this afternoon.

I live five miles from where her body was found. I did not live here in Troy until the mid-90's, but I stumbled across her grave in Riverside Cemetery a few years back and have been interested in her case every since. That interest has been ramped up recently by the work a friend is doing, but I'll get to that in a moment. First, I'd like to offer some observations about the area where she was found, and on the population and culture of the general area.

Let me begin with I70 and I75. I70 isn't far on a map from the St RT 55 exit one would have to take to get to Greenlee. The reality is that it is 15-20 minutes. This strikes me as an odd amount of time to take for a detour when you're looking to dump a body. I70 in either direction around the I75 interchange has many exits with little to no traffic even today. If it was a trucker on I70 it would be much easier to dump her somewhere between Columbus and Huber Heights or between Dayton and Englewood IMO. Heading north on I75 makes Troy a little more likely. Vandalia is the next big town north of Dayton, but it is also the exit for the airport. Too much traffic there. Next comes West Milton and Tipp City, but Tipp City especially is an older town and fairly well developed. No place to go there either. The second Tipp exit is exceedingly rural in appearance from the highway, even today except for the huge car and RV dealership which wasn't there in '81. Turn right and you're heading into Troy. Turn left and you're heading into a whole lot of wooded nothing on a dark stretch of road. So, then we come to the exit in question. It's exit 73, Troy/Ludlow Falls. In '81 there would have been a motel and a restaurant to the right. I think the Shell station was there too. Keep going and you end up in town. Turn left and you are headed toward Greenlee. In '81 there was probably at least one housing development going up within half a mile of the highway, but once past that it is nothing but farmland for miles. I mean, literally, there is nothing as far as the eye can see but fields and the occasional farmhouse tucked in at the front corner of the property. Until, that is, you get to Greenlee Rd. About half a mile before the right hand turn onto Greenlee there begins a row of cookie-cutter ranch houses all built in the 70s. I just can't imagine this looking like an ideal place to turn. There were far better less populated turns to take a mile or so back. One of those turns is Horseshoe Bend. It isn't actually a turn though. You sort of bear to the right. It's so little of a turn that it isn't enough to make your turn signal click off. It comes up fast too. I used to drive out Horseshoe Bend every week and I would still almost miss it sometimes. I nearly did today. There might be 10-15 houses before Greenlee. I would guess most of those were there in '81, but they are all concentrated at the bear off at 55. It doesn't take long for you to be in nothing but farm fields again. Even today, standing in the approximate spot where BG was found, I could only see 7 houses, and they were all new builds. Let me just say, I do not feel there was any way whatsoever a semi could have gotten back there. They are still narrow country roads and would have been worse in '81. In fact, there are signs on Horseshoe Bend saying semis and school buses can only go so far. All of this leads to my first hypothesis: the killer was local. Or he at least was familiar with the area. Greenlee just isn't some place you stumble across. I know what it looks like on a map, but the reality is that you aren't going to find it if you don't know it. Or if you do happen to find it you might have a tough time getting yourself turned around and back out in a timely fashion. So, this brings me to the actual dump sight. As I was standing there today taking in everything around me, considering what would have been there and what would not have been I turned and put my back to the ditch where she was found. It took a second for me to realize what I was looking at, but it has been mentioned here: Brukner. Brukner Nature Center is a 164 acre privately funded preserve that has nothing but a farmer's field between it and where BG was found. The interpretive building was built in 1974. There are a few miles of trails, but mostly what they do is wildlife education and rehabilitation. There has been a great deal of speculation that BG was not local. Brukner uses interns. I'm not sure for how long, but I have a call in to the executive director to find out how long the program has been in place. There is a house on the property as well where the out-of-state interns live. This is, I feel, a plausible explanation as to her physical condition and her "ruddy" complexion. It could also be why no one locally is looking for her. There are all kinds of scenarios, of course, but I felt I would be remiss if I didn't mention the possible Brukner connection.

So, I'd like to address some of the rodeo/biker/cult/Amish theories. No rodeo comes very close to here that I'm aware of, and, again, I feel very strongly that the killer was local or had been at one time. Motorcycles are common enough but you're more likely to find tractors. Lol!! There is a rather large population of German Baptists in the area, but the Amish are very few and far between this far south. Troy is deeply conservative, and has a great deal of very old money in it. I was told that at one time Troy had more millionaires per capita than any other city or town in the US. The next time you go into a deli look at the meat slicer and see if it doesn't say Hobart on it. The Hobart brothers are from Troy. If you've ever flown on a plane with a propeller, it was probably a Hartzell propeller. The Hartzells are from Troy. The next time you see someone doing a quick weld during a Nascar race, he probably went to the Hobart welding school. It's half a mile from my house. Despite this town only having about 25,000 people in it every Republican presidential candidate since H.W. has spoken here during election season (Well, except for McCain, but he sent Palin.). This may be part of the reason this case hasn't gotten a lot of publicity. Old rich people don't like untidy things like unsolved murders. It's a caustic thing to say, yes, but it's also true.

So, now I come to my friend, and.....potentially..... the crazy that gets me shown the door here. She has been working with other people around the world and with all kinds of technology to gather EVPs - Electronic Voice Phenomena. We had never discussed this case until about two weeks ago when she mentioned that she had found the grave site and done a few sessions out there. I'm not much of a believer in EVPs - our brains look for patterns in chaos - but she had a few that really made my hair stand on end. In one of the first sessions she asked BG her name. "Bev" was the soft but clear response. In a later session she asked if Bev was her name and "Yes, yes" was clear. I haven't heard all of the sessions she has done at the grave site, but she has told me that when she asked what happened BG responded that she was hiding in the house but he found her, she fought hard, and she got to where she was found by van. Her most recent session was on the 27th. I got to hear that one today. My friend asked where she had gotten the buckskin jacket from. The answer was, "Bought it private." My friend has reached out to Detective Huffman who has set up a meeting with her to hear everything this Friday. He is very open-minded and like so many of the local detectives familiar with the case (the police force paid for her burial and the detective assigned to the case at the time gave a eulogy at the grave side service) he wants to find the answers we are all after too. So, take what you will from any of this.

Oh, and as an aside, I saw Edward Edwards name tossed around somewhere in the 30s pages. He was not from Troy, Miami County, Ohio. He was from Troy Township, Geauga County, Ohio. That's north east of here between Columbus and Akron.
 
Like Springrain, I don't usually dream about UID cases, and I'm fairly cold-blooded about things like circumstances, post-mortem photos, discussions of dismemberment, and the like. I seldom have the same dream repeatedly.

But I've dreamed about this girl four separate times, the same dream every time, and in every dream she's trying to tell me who she is. The most recent time was the night after Fugitive Minister posted the first information about the EVA attempts. In all of them, she's trying to tell me who she is by showing me a picture from one of the missing people websites. I thought I recognized the name as somebody who's been ruled out on multiple grounds (circumstances, physical characteristics, and later DNA) but this time I think she's trying to say something else that I misinterpreted.

It was kind of creepy coming again right after a paranormal discussion. But it could have just been the power of suggestion.

She seems so desperate. It just breaks my heart. And that's real, no matter where the dream is coming from.
 
Like Springrain, I don't usually dream about UID cases, and I'm fairly cold-blooded about things like circumstances, post-mortem photos, discussions of dismemberment, and the like. I seldom have the same dream repeatedly.

But I've dreamed about this girl four separate times, the same dream every time, and in every dream she's trying to tell me who she is. The most recent time was the night after Fugitive Minister posted the first information about the EVA attempts. In all of them, she's trying to tell me who she is by showing me a picture from one of the missing people websites. I thought I recognized the name as somebody who's been ruled out on multiple grounds (circumstances, physical characteristics, and later DNA) but this time I think she's trying to say something else that I misinterpreted.

It was kind of creepy coming again right after a paranormal discussion. But it could have just been the power of suggestion.

She seems so desperate. It just breaks my heart. And that's real, no matter where the dream is coming from.

Makes me wonder if the DNA sample in question isn't enough like with Grateful Dead Fan. Do you remember the MP?
 
I often wonder about some of these rule outs, especially if DNA or dental aren't available and yet the person is ruled out. Makes me wonder what criteria they use sometimes.
Also, I had a question if anyone knows. Can isotopes tell how old a filling is? Man I wish I had been a forensic dentist. That just seems so fascinating to me.
 
But I've dreamed about this girl four separate times, the same dream every time, and in every dream she's trying to tell me who she is.

In all of them, she's trying to tell me who she is by showing me a picture from one of the missing people websites.

I thought I recognized the name as somebody who's been ruled out on multiple grounds (circumstances, physical characteristics, and later DNA) but this time I think she's trying to say something else that I misinterpreted.

Among the possibilities that she is communicating with you in your dreams is that she may be from the same location that the missing person in the picture is from, or she may know that mising person.
 
Among the possibilities that she is communicating with you in your dreams is that she may be from the same location that the missing person in the picture is from, or she may know that mising person.

Oh, good thoughts.

I was thinking maybe she might be next to the ruled-out girl in alphabetical order, or something.

Or maybe the ruled-out girl is nearby, or something.
 
New post on the Who Was Buckskin Girl? Facebook page; thank you, Fugitive Minister, for the dumpsite photos. I included them, I know that most people won't probably remember that specific area. However, I included it to give an idea of what it looked like, and what a desolate place it is to be abandoned.
https://www.facebook.com/WhoWasBuckskinGirl/posts/528604717317375

I really do hope she gets identified, and very quickly; she seems to be reaching out to so many people.
 
Oh, good thoughts.

I was thinking maybe she might be next to the ruled-out girl in alphabetical order, or something.

Or maybe the ruled-out girl is nearby, or something.

Maybe Buck was murdered by the same person as the " rule out "?
 
It's not a dirt road. It was someone's driveway. :blushing: There really is no place to simply stop and park. The road is narrow. Pushing her body out of the vehicle, no matter the time, would have had to have been a speedy endeavor. The drive I was parked in, btw, belonged to a very new house. Built no sooner than ten years ago I would say.
 
Welcome to Ws. Fugitive Minister, thanks for bringing flowers to the site!
Sounds interesting, wondering what, or who is an EVP?

Electronic Voice Phenomenon. It is a "ghost hunting" technique that evidently has taken on a life, technology and technique of its own. My friend has all kinds of equipment and software programs and a bunch of other stuff I can't really follow. She teaches the techniques and has been interviewed numerous times. She doesn't charge anything for any of it. I just know what I hear, and it sometimes really makes my hair stand on end.
 
While I don't ever post in the thread, Buckskin Girl also sticks in my mind. I check in here often for updates and she seems to always be in the back of my mind. This is one case that I'd really love to see them use Familial DNA testing. I wonder if they still have a sample available that could be tested. If somebody is in contact with the investigator, please ask if they have considered this. She needs to get her name back so she can rest in peace.
 
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