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I think the fact that she had just killed several people and injured dozens more was all the reason they needed to arrest and handcuff her, even without the possibility of DUI. JMO.
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I think the fact that she had just killed several people and injured dozens more was all the reason they needed to arrest and handcuff her, even without the possibility of DUI. JMO.
Both your points make sense. The pic of her in handcuffs clearly shows people in several locations clustered around bodies still on the ground.
If I were the police I'd get her out of there ASAP too for fear of the crowd taking matters in their own hands. I sure wouldn't have her do that walk in a straight line test and have her have to walk near or over the bodies surrounding her, dead, injured, or alive.
A commenter elsewhere mentioned that a severe diabetic's breath might well smell like alcohol? Dunno, but an unknown like that could account for a quick assessment of DUI if that's what happened.
Ummm. No? She was arrested on SUSPICION of DUI. Police were already on the scene because of the parade and took her straight to a medical center to be tested. What went on in between IMO speaks for itself, given the circumstances.
Stillwater police apparently initially told media she was arrested on suspicion of DUI. They've said repeatedly ever since that they were waiting on toxicology reports, and the probable cause report says nothing about DUI.
This happened in a fairly small town, it was a large and chaotic crime scene with a huge number of people requiring immediate medical help, and the culprit wasn't doing anything as obvious as shooting at folks. Small wonder the details so far are muddled and murky.
DUI doesn't mean she had to be drunk. If she is driving under the influence of drugs (legal or illegal) that's also DUI. And she doesn't need to have any drugs or alcohol in her system for murder 2 charges. Prosecutor clearly implied this was a intentional act. She admitted to being suicidal during the incident. So I think it's pretty clear what was going on.
I'm concluding the bottom line is clear enough, anyway, and I base that on the timeline.
It would be different if she ran out of Freddy's, jumped into her car and drove straight there. Or if she hadn't tried to drive around that barricade. Or if she had expressed shock or remorse upon hearing that she'd killed people.
The time alone, though, in between leaving Freddy's and killing with her car says to me she had time to think about what she was going to do and that it was by choice she drove into that crowd. Her lack of remorse afterwards reinforces that view.
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The LE could probably even charge her with Wreckless Driving and Voluntary Manslaughter even if she has no drugs in her system. Just based on witness testimony of her careening into the crowd.
So if it turns out she was just upset for some reason and no drugs and no alcholol I still think some sort of manslaughter charges could still be valid.
LE would probably tack on some sort of wreckless driving charges that resulted in deaths.
Which in her case would be valid IMO because she did seem to be totally wreckless driving. Its not like she made a 1 second bad decision. She seemed to have time to correct or slow down her car and chose not to.
It will probably come down to whether LE can prove she intended to wreck or not. If they can prove she wanted to wreck then Murder charges are valid. If they cannot prove it then still Manslaugther of some sort is still valid because of the wreckless driving.
This case is going to be interesting as it proceeds to a legal point of view. I would like to see transcripts of the interviews with LE. It would be interesting to hear some of the answers she gave LE.
So if it turns out she was just upset for some reason and no drugs and no alcholol I still think some sort of manslaughter charges could still be valid.
LE would probably tack on some sort of wreckless driving charges that resulted in deaths.
Which in her case would be valid IMO because she did seem to be totally wreckless driving. Its not like she made a 1 second bad decision. She seemed to have time to correct or slow down her car and chose not to.
It will probably come down to whether LE can prove she intended to wreck or not. If they can prove she wanted to wreck then Murder charges are valid. If they cannot prove it then still Manslaugther of some sort is still valid because of the wreckless driving.
This case is going to be interesting as it proceeds to a legal point of view. I would like to see transcripts of the interviews with LE. It would be interesting to hear some of the answers she gave LE.
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This is from a witness at the parade
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/witness-chambers-said-she-wanted-to-kill-herself
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/witness-chambers-said-she-wanted-to-kill-herself
From this witness' statement, it's very clear that she was not blacked out, was not having a seizure, and was not passed out. Her motive was to kill herself.
Unfortunately instead of killing herself she killed four (so far) innocent people.
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Wow. And this guy seems like a credible witness, too. First one to the car, EMS, didn't know her so no reason to hide or twist anything.
She's toast. I hope they lock her up for the rest of her life. She's not fit to live free in society.
Aware enough to respond to questions, immediately , while still in the car, and that was her answer, and zero remorse at anytime afterwards.
To be free? Never. Throw away the key.
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I don't know if y'all have seen it but I've been pleased at the outpouring of sympathy from OSU's rivals, including my own alma mater, The University of Texas, as shown in the article below. Unfortunately, OSU has had more than its share of tragedies and I hope, in some small measure, this helps.
http://www.hookem.com/2015/10/27/university-tower-bells-pay-tribute-to-oklahoma-state/
http://www.hookem.com/2015/10/27/university-tower-bells-pay-tribute-to-oklahoma-state/
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I work for our state DMV and deal with DUI's everyday.
I recall the police officer (chief?) saying in the initial press conference that there was "probable cause" to arrest her on suspicion on DUI. In my state "probable cause" is often listed as "red/bloodshot/watery eyes," "odor of alcohol," "slurred speech," those are the most common. I think they could probably have gone off her eyes and maybe slurred speech. At the time of the accident, if she was as lethargic and incoherent as her attorney is making her out to sound, I have to imagine she wasn't carrying on an intelligent, clear conversation with anyone.
That's all kind of a moot point with the murder charges she's currently facing. At this point I really feel like this was a terribly lame attempt at suicide, or she knew exactly what she was doing, and intentionally drove into the crowd. It's tragic all the way around.
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I recall the police officer (chief?) saying in the initial press conference that there was "probable cause" to arrest her on suspicion on DUI. In my state "probable cause" is often listed as "red/bloodshot/watery eyes," "odor of alcohol," "slurred speech," those are the most common. I think they could probably have gone off her eyes and maybe slurred speech. At the time of the accident, if she was as lethargic and incoherent as her attorney is making her out to sound, I have to imagine she wasn't carrying on an intelligent, clear conversation with anyone.
That's all kind of a moot point with the murder charges she's currently facing. At this point I really feel like this was a terribly lame attempt at suicide, or she knew exactly what she was doing, and intentionally drove into the crowd. It's tragic all the way around.
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Another Longhorn here. Glad to see our school is offering its support.
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If it was "intentional" then can they not up the charges to "premeditation?" I think knowingly driving your car into a crowd of people, at a high rate of speed, makes it pretty clear her intention was to take people with her in her "suicide attempt." Doesn't sound any different than the mass shootings, but she used a vehicle instead of a gun as her weapon of choice.
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I've been thinking for awhile this is a lot like a school shooting. Her intent might have even been to be shot at the end.
I try to be compassionate and see all sides, but I'm having trouble with that here.
If she had been crying then her eyes could very well have been red and watery.