Found Deceased OK - Mark Chastain - Billy Chastain - Mike Sparks - Alex Stevens - Left A Home on Bicycles - Okmulgee *arrest* #2

[TwinkieDefense]

Oct 11, 2022 article:

Okmulgee police find 'multiple human remains' in search for four missing men

The Okmulgee Police Department is looking for four men who haven't been seen by family since Sunday.

www.kjrh.com

[…]

. . . believed to have left Billy Chastain's home on bicycles on the west side of Okmulgee on Sunday around 8 p.m. Police say someone reported seeing Stevens on Sunday around 4 p.m. by himself at the Smoke Ship on the south side of town and sightings were reported of the Chastains Monday morning near the YMCA, but investigators are working to confirm those sightings.

[…]

. . . Mark Chastain's phone was tracked to an area south of Okmulgee but the phone was either turned off or lost power and officers didn't find any signs of the men.

Okmulgee Police Chief Joe Prentice says there aren't any initial signs of violence or foul play, but they're bringing in part of the District 25 Violent Crime Task Force to help in the search.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the Okmulgee Police Department by phone, Facebook or by email at policereport@okmcity.net.

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[Sillybilly]

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[YaYa_521]

Continue the discussion here.

 

[Cryptic]

@RAISINISBACK
Good, solid points regarding the easy availability of marijuana in Oklahoma.

De facto legalized marijuana in Oklahoma, however, may not eliminate all profit motive in illegal marijuana,

For example, "grey" market marijuana (untaxed and thus, illegal marketed to legal vendors). The use of untaxed marijuana increases their profit potential.

This large scale, illegal growing operation in Ottawa, Oklahoma may have intended for the local grey market, or it could have been intended for out of state markets

3,000 illegal marijuana plants found in Ottawa County raid

Authorities eradicate and dispose of thousands of pounds of illegally grown marijuana in rural Fairland, Oklahoma.

www.koamnewsnow.com

In the end, de facto legalized marijuana in Oklahoma reduces, but probably does not eliminate, the profit potential in illegal marijuana.

 

[neesaki]

@RAISINISBACK
Good, solid points regarding the easy availability of marijuana in Oklahoma.

De facto legalized marijuana in Oklahoma, however, may not eliminate all profit motive in illegal marijuana,

For example, "grey" market marijuana (untaxed and thus, illegal marketed to legal vendors). The use of untaxed marijuana increases their profit potential.

This large scale, illegal growing operation in Ottawa, Oklahoma may have intended for the local grey market, or it could have been intended for out of state markets

3,000 illegal marijuana plants found in Ottawa County raid

Authorities eradicate and dispose of thousands of pounds of illegally grown marijuana in rural Fairland, Oklahoma.

www.koamnewsnow.com

In the end, de facto legalized marijuana in Oklahoma reduces, but probably does not eliminate, the profit potential in illegal marijuana.

Maybe it had to do with a meth operation. I cant help but get a Breaking Bad vibe. I don’t think anyone who steals from the Cartel gets away with it. Maybe JK was selling to the Cartel. Jmo

 

[Cryptic]

Maybe it had to do with a meth operation. I cant help but get a Breaking Bad vibe. I don’t think anyone who steals from the Cartel gets away with it. Maybe JK was selling to the Cartel. Jmo

You could well be right. The only reason why I suggested marijuana is because the crew thought they needed bike carts to haul it off.

A comparable volume of meth could indicate cartel involvement. Likewise, the crew might of presumed that possible rumors of a stash must be referring to marijuana- then stumbled upon a large scale meth stash of the cartel sort?

In either case, I dont see JK selling to a major league cartel team due to limited well, "production capacity". I can, however, see drugs being safequarded or held at the yard pending shipment to Tulsa for distribution.

In this possible scenario, perhaps JK gets wind that a crew is going to "hit a lick" at the yard. Knowing that the owners could become, well, "irate" if the stash is raided, he calls them up and asks for back up. The minor league cartel team then sends some uhmmm.... "specialists". Things go down hill?

 

[Friday Fan]

You could well be right. The only reason why I suggested marijuana is because the crew thought they needed bike carts to haul it off.

A comparable volume of meth could indicate cartel involvement. Likewise, the crew might of presumed that possible rumors of a stash must be referring to marijuana- then stumbled upon a large scale meth stash of the cartel sort?

In either case, I dont see JK selling to a major league cartel team due to limited well, "production capacity". I can, however, see drugs being safequarded or held at the yard pending shipment to Tulsa for distribution.

In this possible scenario, perhaps JK gets wind that a crew is going to "hit a lick" at the yard. Knowing that the owners could become, well, "irate" if the stash is raided, he calls them up and asks for back up. The minor league cartel team then sends some uhmmm.... "specialists". Things go down hill?

In that scenario, I think the cartel would just tell JK to "take care of it yourself". It would depend on the amt involved, but if JK is dealing, he is responsible.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

More questions than answers surround the deaths of four friends found dead in an Oklahoma river

What happened in the hours before Alex Stevens, Mike Sparks, Billy Chastain and brother Mark Chastain vanished — and who is responsible for their horrific deaths?

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Cryptic]

In that scenario, I think the cartel would just tell JK to "take care of it yourself". It would depend on the amt involved, but if JK is dealing, he is responsible.

Possible- and JK might have done just that.

Then again.....

In the event of the drugs getting stolen, telling a more senior cartel member that:

- "Hey boss, the drugs are gone, but.... its not my fault, its the other guy's fault" could be a losing proposition.

Rather the cartel expectation might be: Bylaw One- All members do everything possible to safeguard cartel drugs- even if involves making extra effort.

 

[Oregon]

@RAISINISBACK
Good, solid points regarding the easy availability of marijuana in Oklahoma.

De facto legalized marijuana in Oklahoma, however, may not eliminate all profit motive in illegal marijuana,

For example, "grey" market marijuana (untaxed and thus, illegal marketed to legal vendors). The use of untaxed marijuana increases their profit potential.

This large scale, illegal growing operation in Ottawa, Oklahoma may have intended for the local grey market, or it could have been intended for out of state markets

3,000 illegal marijuana plants found in Ottawa County raid

Authorities eradicate and dispose of thousands of pounds of illegally grown marijuana in rural Fairland, Oklahoma.

www.koamnewsnow.com

In the end, de facto legalized marijuana in Oklahoma reduces, but probably does not eliminate, the profit potential in illegal marijuana.

Legalized my in Oregon is taxed and licensed heavily by the state. There are massive illegal operations as well as transportation of illegal mj, meth, fentanyl and other drugs. Multimillion million dollar busts are made on a regular basis. A lot of the workers are victims of trafficking. At about $1000 per pound street value, a few pounds might have seemed like a”big lick.”

 

[Knox]

Wife of man murdered speaks out after remains of 4 missing Okmulgee men found in river​

ByAbigail Dye, KOKI
Saturday, October 22, 2022 6:28PM

Video@link-

The wife of Mark Chastain said she is struggling on how to explain to her 2 young children that their dad isn't coming home.
OKMULGEE, Okla. -- A grieving Oklahoma woman is trying to explain to her two children why their dad isn't coming home.

Jessica Chastain is speaking out for the first time since Okmulgee police confirmed her missing husband's body was among the remains found in a river on last Friday.

Jessica is still accepting that her husband Mark isn't coming home.

"It just feels like he's still in my garage, if that makes sense. Or he's still out here. Or... something. He's just here. It doesn't feel like he's gone," she said.

She said she is struggling with how to explain that to her toddler Gracie and 4-year-old Tucker.

"We told him that daddy had to go help Pop Pop Billy fix a car. Jesus needed him and he called him to go fix the car," Jessica said. "He asked, 'Well, can we go there?' And I'm like, 'No, there's not a road.'"

Wife of man murdered speaks out after remains of 4 missing Okmulgee men found in river

The wife of Mark Chastain said she is struggling with how to explain to her 2 young children that their dad isn't coming home.

abc7chicago.com

 

[Knox]

Man says he was shot 10 years ago by person of interest in Okmulgee quadruple murder case​

By Abigail Dye, FOX23 NewsOctober 21, 2022 at 10:49 pm CDT

OKMULGEE, Okla. — A man is speaking out 10 years after being shot by a man Okmulgee Police said is a person of interest in their quadruple homicide investigation. In a FOX23 Exclusive, Robert Skinner recalled the day he was shot in the back by Joe Kennedy in January of 2012.

He said he was shot just moments after his wife pulled into the driveway of Joe Kennedy’s salvage yard in order to turn their car around when Kennedy pulled up behind them in a truck.

Skinner said that’s when Kennedy shot him.

“Oh, it just burns. It just burns,” Skinner said. “You feel a bunch of fire running through your body.”

Skinner and Okmulgee Police said the man who pulled the trigger is Kennedy.

Kennedy was charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and obstructing police. Court documents indicated that Kennedy shot Skinner, and then he lived about where Skinner was when he shot him to law enforcement.

Skinner was also charged with second degree burglary.

“They found me guilty of burglary and stuck me on probation,” he said. “Even though [Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI)] proved I was not on his property when I got shot, they still stuck me on probation.”

Man says he was shot 10 years ago by person of interest in Okmulgee quadruple murder case

A man is speaking out 10 years after being shot by a man Okmulgee Police said is a person of interest in their quadruple homicide investigation. In a FOX23 Exclusive,

www.fox23.com

 

[Friday Fan]

Possible- and JK might have done just that.

Then again.....

In the event of the drugs getting stolen, telling a more senior cartel member that:

- "Hey boss, the drugs are gone, but.... its not my fault, its the other guy's fault" could be a losing proposition.

Rather the cartel expectation might be: Bylaw One- All members do everything possible to safeguard cartel drugs- even if involves making extra effort.

I watch too much of this true crime/organized crime stuff...Cartels in the US don't operate the way they do in Mexico, Colombia etc. They don't even operate quite the same as the Mafia. (The US Mafia is much harder on each other than the cartels are here.) We do have drug related organized crime.

A good documentary about cartels in the US is Cocaine Cowboys (2006, Billy Corbin) It's currently available on a few streaming platforms.

We plenty of drug related organized crime and violence in the US. It's been going on for a long time.
Cocaine Cowboys starts out in 1979. The violence in Miami reached it's peak in the early 80's, then declined after Griselda Blanca was arrested in 1985. Griselda was a major figure in the Medellin Cartel who resided in Miami and inflicted cartel violence in Miami. Cocaine Cowboys covers a period from 1979-1985. Miami was the murder capital of the US. It starts with the horrific shootout at a liquor store at a mall. Even though many people in Miami were murdered by the cartel, I believe all of them were Colombian.


There are other true crime documentaries, about urban/narco dealer stuff about Nicky Barnes etc. (American Gangster is based on Frank Lucas and Nicky Barnes ) However, there are lots or urban/narco movies out there. After watching enough of them, you see how this stuff works. Since most drugs are imported there is usually a cartel involved somewhere. However most drug related violence is gang/US organized crime.

On rare occasions cartels will take out people in the US, but these guys would not be targets. (They are just too low on the food chain!)

Just because they were dismembered does not mean a cartel did it. Heck, we don't even know if drugs were involved? They were likely dismembered because JK owned a scrap yard.

Drugs trafficking is a form of organized crime in the US. There are all sorts of organized crime in the US. The mafia (Goodfellas is a true story) eat their own.


However, we have absolutely no idea if organized crime was involved with this or if JK is just some criminal who commits a shocking crime. Lots of shocking crimes have been committed by people were just sorta "normal".

 

[Ed Teach]

On rare occasions cartels will take out people in the US, but these guys would not be targets. (They are just too low on the food chain!)

Just because they were dismembered does not mean a cartel did it. Heck, we don't even know if drugs were involved?


However, we have absolutely no idea if organized crime was involved with this or if JK is just some criminal who commits a shocking crime. Lots of shocking crimes have been committed by people were just sorta "normal".

I agree with this. I also strongly feel that if this case is not about thieving salvage parts but rather drugs then it's going to be locally produced meth or marijuana no cartel involved. I suppose there could have been knowledge of cash or valuables but it just doesn't make sense to me that well known local ruffians would go try to strong arm another well known local ruffian...especially on their bicycles. I say this because I just know how people are here and how it is here in Oklahoma. I really believe it was nothing more than these four men stole/tried to steal...possibly again...from the wrong guy and in his furious anger about this he went way overboard. Speculation on my part for sure but it is an educated guess. The part I don't get is why he ran to Florida and why they said he was suicidal. That to me is the only way the cartel theory would fit. He had a lot of meth or fentanyl that he had to get rid of quickly because of this 'event' but then again he has money real estate etc so he could have easily paid them back for the loss of product.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I hope they were all dead before the cutting began

 

[Friday Fan]

Maybe it had to do with a meth operation. I cant help but get a Breaking Bad vibe. I don’t think anyone who steals from the Cartel gets away with it. Maybe JK was selling to the Cartel. Jmo

I have not watched Breaking Bad..(LOL...shoot me) However, I searched for evidence of a meth lab based on what I see on street view, but I don't see anything that indicates meth production. I see common household junk.
https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs7/7341/7341p.pdf It could have a lab in the back, however. Law enforcement could get a warrant to search his property for meth production if they have probable cause.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Man says he was shot 10 years ago by person of interest in Okmulgee quadruple murder case​

By Abigail Dye, FOX23 NewsOctober 21, 2022 at 10:49 pm CDT

OKMULGEE, Okla. — A man is speaking out 10 years after being shot by a man Okmulgee Police said is a person of interest in their quadruple homicide investigation. In a FOX23 Exclusive, Robert Skinner recalled the day he was shot in the back by Joe Kennedy in January of 2012.

He said he was shot just moments after his wife pulled into the driveway of Joe Kennedy’s salvage yard in order to turn their car around when Kennedy pulled up behind them in a truck.

Skinner said that’s when Kennedy shot him.

“Oh, it just burns. It just burns,” Skinner said. “You feel a bunch of fire running through your body.”

Skinner and Okmulgee Police said the man who pulled the trigger is Kennedy.

Kennedy was charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and obstructing police. Court documents indicated that Kennedy shot Skinner, and then he lived about where Skinner was when he shot him to law enforcement.

Skinner was also charged with second degree burglary.

“They found me guilty of burglary and stuck me on probation,” he said. “Even though [Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI)] proved I was not on his property when I got shot, they still stuck me on probation.”

Man says he was shot 10 years ago by person of interest in Okmulgee quadruple murder case

A man is speaking out 10 years after being shot by a man Okmulgee Police said is a person of interest in their quadruple homicide investigation. In a FOX23 Exclusive,

www.fox23.com

Skinner does seem to have an interesting take on burglary, like once your off someone's property you therefore can't be guilty burglary. Skinner shouldn't have been shot, but he has no right to steal either.

 

[Cryptic]

Just because they were dismembered does not mean a cartel did it. Heck, we don't even know if drugs were involved? They were likely dismembered because JK owned a scrap yard.

I fully agree- there is a good chance that the perpetrator and the motives will start and end in small town Oklahoma.

For a cartel scenario to work, there would have to be cartel minor league farm teams operating the in the United States. Though minor league cartel teams full of major league hopefuls using over kill violence in small fish matters are SOP in Mexico, the farm teams don't seem to be operating in the US.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I agree with this. I also strongly feel that if this case is not about thieving salvage parts but rather drugs then it's going to be locally produced meth or marijuana no cartel involved. I suppose there could have been knowledge of cash or valuables but it just doesn't make sense to me that well known local ruffians would go try to strong arm another well known local ruffian...especially on their bicycles. I say this because I just know how people are here and how it is here in Oklahoma. I really believe it was nothing more than these four men stole/tried to steal...possibly again...from the wrong guy and in his furious anger about this he went way overboard. Speculation on my part for sure but it is an educated guess. The part I don't get is why he ran to Florida and why they said he was suicidal. That to me is the only way the cartel theory would fit. He had a lot of meth or fentanyl that he had to get rid of quickly because of this 'event' but then again he has money real estate etc so he could have easily paid them back for the loss of product.

The fleeing and being suicidal is the least surprising to me. If he thought he was about to be arrested for quadruple homicide panic fleeing and suicidal ideation if not outright suicide aren't exactly uncommon reactions where people's first reaction is they'd prefer death to life in prison. However, he's denying he was suicidal and he might have just ran to Florida for legal/financial reasons, like to get money while avoiding immediate arrest.