Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

[Berrybell]

His hand was bandaged at Cullum’s house. He told the officers he injured it fixing a truck. I think it was from a knife. I think his DNA was what he was worried about.

I think you may be right, Grice was worried about DNA evidence after being buried if I recall correctly. I think he did injure himself attacking the victims and was worried he bled on them or other items buried.

 

[Seattle1]

My thought, TA tends to poison the kids relationships with the parent, whether it be her kids and the ex spouse, or the grandchildren. She wants to be their sole influence. She seems to be extremely manipulative and controlling. How many times has she been married?

IMO, unless TA was married before Nov 14, 1997 or after January 17, 2018, she has only been married once to former spouse JP Rickman.

Any claims citing otherwise can easily be verified by comparing the defendant's birthdate and middle name. Also, I believe she's been with co-defendant Cullem since 2011, and we know TA and TC never married.

In TA's "Petition for Dissolution of Marriage" to Rickman filed in Cimmarron County on Nov 14, 2017, petitioner TA declared the following (sworn under oath):

The parties were married on November 14, 1997, and have been since
that time and are presently husband and wife. The parties have been separated since July 31,2011. (Dissolution Granted by the Court on January 17, 2018).

Pursuant to (43 o.s. §551-209) TA's UCCJEA AFFIDAVIT furthered:

The Petitioner and Respondent are the parents of three children, only one (l) minor child, namely: TTA, date of birth of February 20, 2002.

https://www.lrcvaw.org/laws/okuccjea.pdf

"ADAMS, TIFANY MACHEL VS. RICKMAN, JASON PAUL " (FD-2017-00020) | On Demand Court Records

odcr.com

 

[charmingbetsy]

IMO, unless TA was married before Nov 14, 1997 or after January 17, 2018, she has only been married once to former spouse JP Rickman.

I believe she may have been married in 1991 in Texas County (MLI-1991-6); I can't find a corresponding divorce record, but the man did marry again in 1997. There is another record for a Tifany M. Adams who married in 1993 in Kay County (MLI-1987-408, unsure why this has a 1987 in the case number with the record showing 1993) and was divorced in 1995 in Texas County (FD-1995-35). Anyway, since both of these Tifany M. Adams are linked to Texas County, I think it is likely those records are both hers, as well as the marriage we do know about to Rickman.

As a side note, the previously mentioned paternity record is in Oklahoma County for a Tifany A. Adams, and there are other records there for Tifany A. Adams, so I think that's a different person.

 

[Rachelxx2]

Is there a hearing on today?

 

[Spyderlady]

Is there a hearing on today?

Yes it's listed for 9 a.m. at Oklahoma Sate Courts Network. AFAIK no information has been released.

 

[Rachelxx2]

Yes it's listed for 9 a.m. at Oklahoma Sate Courts Network. AFAIK no information has been released.

Thanks for that info We'll have to wait a little longer for the trial to officially start then.

 

[VeraVa]

Yes it's listed for 9 a.m. at Oklahoma Sate Courts Network. AFAIK no information has been released.

I think it was just the court ordered, discovery status hearing that is supposed to be held every three weeks until. I doubt there was any fodder for the media and so we will hear little to nothing.

 

[Spyderlady]

The OK State Court website now shows 'Motion Docket' for August 21. This will probably be a long, drawn-out case.

 

[PommyMommy]

OSCN Case Details

- TIFANY MACHEL ADAMS
(the entries are the same for all five defendants)

07/17/2024	TEXT	CM: MINUTE/ORDER NEXT MOTION DOCKET IS 8/21/2024 AT 9 AM; BAIL IS DENIED. Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
07/17/2024	TEXT	CM: MINUTE/ORDER HRG ON OBJECTION TO MTN AND ORDER FOR TRANSCRIPTS AND MTN TO IMMEDIATELY STAY ORDER HELD. ORDERS ENTERED. ATTY HOCH TO PREPARE A JOURNAL ENTRY AND CIRCULATE TO ALL ATTORNEYS INVOLVED. Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office

 

[VeraVa]

OSCN Case Details

- TIFANY MACHEL ADAMS
(the entries are the same for all five defendants)

07/17/2024	TEXT	CM: MINUTE/ORDER NEXT MOTION DOCKET IS 8/21/2024 AT 9 AM; BAIL IS DENIED. Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
07/17/2024	TEXT	CM: MINUTE/ORDER HRG ON OBJECTION TO MTN AND ORDER FOR TRANSCRIPTS AND MTN TO IMMEDIATELY STAY ORDER HELD. ORDERS ENTERED. ATTY HOCH TO PREPARE A JOURNAL ENTRY AND CIRCULATE TO ALL ATTORNEYS INVOLVED. Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office

I fell into the rabbit hole reading the previous legal histories of the 5. Cullum had quite the nasty divorce and still arguing, lol.

 

[PommyMommy]

JUL 18, 2024

https://www.ksn.com/news/crime/murdered-kansas-moms-update-judge-keeps-some-court-cases-sealed-to-protect-children-and-others/

[...]

Cole and Cora Twombly, Tad Cullum, Tifany Adams, and Paul Grice appeared in Texas County, Oklahoma, on Wednesday. ...

Adams, Cullum, and Cora requested that their cases not be combined for the preliminary hearing, and the judge agreed to this for now.

[...]

A judge also ruled Cimarron County cases would remain sealed to protect the children and alleged victims of crime. However, the defendant’s lawyers would be able to see them.

[...]

 

[Rixey]

JUL 18, 2024

https://www.ksn.com/news/crime/murdered-kansas-moms-update-judge-keeps-some-court-cases-sealed-to-protect-children-and-others/

[...]

Cole and Cora Twombly, Tad Cullum, Tifany Adams, and Paul Grice appeared in Texas County, Oklahoma, on Wednesday. ...

Adams, Cullum, and Cora requested that their cases not be combined for the preliminary hearing, and the judge agreed to this for now.

[...]

A judge also ruled Cimarron County cases would remain sealed to protect the children and alleged victims of crime. However, the defendant’s lawyers would be able to see them.

[...]

Interesting that Cora's lawyer has asked for her case not to be combined with Cole's, but Cole's lawyer made no such request.

 

[VeraVa]

Interesting that Cora's lawyer has asked for her case not to be combined with Cole's, but Cole's lawyer made no such request.

I’d bet that Cole and Grice did the dirty work. Perhaps why they do not want to be tried together?

 

[Seattle1]

I’d bet that Cole and Grice did the dirty work. Perhaps why they do not want to be tried together?

Except for of the five suspects, Cole and Grice are the only two co-defendants who did not request their cases NOT be combined (with the other defendants) for the preliminary hearing. (Not sure who OP is referring to by "they").

Per 7/18/24 KSN news linked above, only Adams, Cullum, and Cora requested that their cases not be combined for the preliminary hearing, and the judge agreed to this for now. Actually, given felony murder rule applies in Oklahoma, common defenses to first degree murder are not available against felony murder.

A common scenario is a defendant is driving a get away car and his co-defendant robs a store and kills a clerk, in that circumstance both the driver and the shooter could be convicted of Felony Murder. Felony Murder in Oklahoma is defined by Title 21 O.S. Section 701.7 (B) as:

A person also commits the crime of murder in the first degree, regardless of malice, when that person or any other person takes the life of a human being during, or if the death of a human being results from, the commission or attempted commission of murder of another person, shooting or discharge of a firearm or crossbow with intent to kill, intentional discharge of a firearm or other deadly weapon into any dwelling or building as provided in Section 1289.17A of this title, forcible rape, robbery with a dangerous weapon, kidnapping, escape from lawful custody, eluding an officer, first degree burglary, first degree arson, unlawful distributing or dispensing of controlled dangerous substances or synthetic controlled substances, trafficking in illegal drugs, or manufacturing or attempting to manufacture a controlled dangerous substance.

Felony Murder in OK

 

[VeraVa]

Except for of the five suspects, Cole and Grice are the only two co-defendants who did not request their cases NOT be combined (with the other defendants) for the preliminary hearing. (Not sure who OP is referring to by "they").

Per 7/18/24 KSN news linked above, only Adams, Cullum, and Cora requested that their cases not be combined for the preliminary hearing, and the judge agreed to this for now. Actually, given felony murder rule applies in Oklahoma, common defenses to first degree murder are not available against felony murder.

A common scenario is a defendant is driving a get away car and his co-defendant robs a store and kills a clerk, in that circumstance both the driver and the shooter could be convicted of Felony Murder. Felony Murder in Oklahoma is defined by Title 21 O.S. Section 701.7 (B) as:



Felony Murder in OK

The “they” I was implying was Cullum, Adams & Cora. I am sure each of the 3 and their attorneys have a reason why want separate preliminary hearings. The reason, my thoughts only, is that any extreme physical violence and mortal injury to the women was likely inflicted by Grice & Cole.