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Ahhh.....so now thinking maybe .... (not so supicious mind). ...hard for me.

KW might just be telling the truth......original investigator Dormer...said..2000 remains and 2003 (Jessica Taylor) remains.....were...."Wrapped".
 
If Jessica remains were indeed wrapped in burlap, common sense would tell me there is a connection to the gb4. Why it is so hard for any of us to get that information is beyond me. The information will come out 40 years from now and what good will it do?
 
What will the latent information reveal 40 years from now? Some sadist killer with mommy issues, a ring of stupid men having" kill a hooker party" and don't worry bout it cause she won't be missed, the making of snuff films using the victims and selling to some nut case, or can it be ritualistic murder? Whatever it is, it's a dark putrid energy and needs to be stopped with the love and light of those who have zero tolerance for exploiting poverty stricken, drug addicted people like the people on this site.
 
There's only one and he's good at it. It has become easy to be good at it, like its not even a challenge hence itself, the act of murder has no deterrent or level of fear of being caught so there's no planning for a defense! A high I.Q. with patience is leading in all sorts of directions where ever it wants you to go that don't lead to them. The challenge isn't his to conquer and that fills him with Power and Control!
 
Hello. I agree with the high IQ. I do not think he is incarcerated or dead because I believe he has kept many items of the victims and their is a good possibility someone would have found them if he passed away or ended up in prison. I am thinking a Bundy type character.
 
Why kill a prostitute with a child with her? Where does this MO fit into the others. If he is angry with prostitutes, then he should have felt sorry for the innocent​ child, the innocence of the child is how you would think they would perceive the child, a victim too. Why would he not skip killing her once he noticed she brought a child? There are plenty of working girls without a child present to choose from.
 
Burlap bag use may have been an outlier with the Jessica remains. It may have been something handy at the time. It may be possible that there is some overlap on the killer with her remains so close to the GB4 girls. The location is still west of the Great South Bay bridges.

I drive past the area almost daily, the Ocean Parkway is a great way to beat the traffic heading east in the late afternoons. It was a real inconvenience when the police had it closed for a while. If you know the area, it is quite desolate at night, but you'd have to be familiar with the area enough to know you could stop for a few minutes and drop off a package.
 
From the facts that are available: There has to be 3 or more killers.
Shannon Gilbert - According to what has been released concerning the phone calls and what happened to her that night. The length of time spent at her client's home, her driver "falling asleep" and the possible involvement of Dr. Charles Hackett. It is my feeling that this death was truly an accident and it was due in part to drugs and the mental health of the deceased. Toxicology reports are notoriously inconclusive or wrong on many occasions. What needs to be asked is, "was MDMA (Ecstasy) included in the toxicology exam?" "What killer in his/her right mind leave behind so much physical evidence (the purse, pants, panties etc.)?"

This is what happened (speculative): The "John" hires the Ms. Gilbert who is driven to that location by Michael Pak. 4-5 hours pass during which Dr. Hackett comes in the back door of the house to share in sex with the John (in order to remain unseen by Pak who is in the car and quite possibly awake). The John called for the escort on Hackett's behalf. Dr. Hackett gives Ms. Gilbert drugs in order to make her more pliable. One of these drugs could have been MDMA. The sexual activity is either over or cut short by the increasingly "paranoid" behavior of Ms. Gilbert and Dr. Hackett leaves through the back door. Mr. Pak is "awakened by an agitated John who want her out of the house. She calls 911 and is on the phone for a LONG TIME stating that "they are trying to kill me (her)" and runs out of the house to several homes where another resident calls 911. Mr. Pak stops for a long enough time to chastise the "Samaritan" while Ms. Gilbert runs toward, what she thinks is the highway. She is becoming increasingly disoriented and passes out. Ms. Gilbert finally succumbs to hypothermia. The hyoid bone that Dr. Baden suggests that she may have been caused by strangulation, is dubious due to the passage of time (an animal) or it happened during the sexual encounter, erotic asphyxiation or breath control play; the intentional restriction of oxygen to the brain for the purposes of heightened sexual arousal and orgasm.
Ms. Gilbert began ripping off her clothing as a result of overheating of her brain by dehydration which, also caused the paranoia as well as the fact that she may have been exhibiting psychotic behavior exacerbated by combination of the drugs and bipolar disorder. This is why nobody chased her into the swampy area. At best, those "looking" for her (Dr. Hackett included) thought she ran onto the causeway. At worst, all involved saw her run into the swamp and thought she may have made it onto the beach. Now that the ex - SPD Chief Burke has been arrested and sentenced, and the calls for D.A. Spota to step down, law enforcement officials can move forward on this case. I do have a question concerning the 911 calls and other call records. Did Dr. Hackett call 911 relative to this case? Did he call either SPD Chief Burke or SCDA Spota?

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Which brings us to three or more...

Two very organized SKs - The "Burlap Killer" and the "Torso Killer".
and the possibility that this area is a "dumping ground" for other killers.

Thank you all very much for reading this.

Truly,
LMC
 
I can go with 3 killers, maybe 4. The thing that skews the one killer theory is the convenience of the area to getting in and out of the area fast. The dump site is a no-man's land between West Oak Beach and Gilgo. Even someone casual to the area can pick that out.

The GB4 are one killer for certain. Whoever it was traveled the RM Causeway, either on the way in or out. Maybe both. Heading west without a body is a lot less riskier than heading east with one, which shoots down coming off the Wantagh or Meadowbrook parkways.
 
my guess is that this is the work of more than two killers. gilgo beach would be a great dumping ground for anyone in NYC, I don't think that the one who killed the GB4 is one to panic, being that he took time to wrap his victim, line them up, etc. my suspicion is that there is the murderer of the GB4, another enraged serial killer (from the Manorville story) and then possibly like one or two that knew something, or overdosed at a dealers house and the dealer needed a place to dump someone.
 
There are the four who were strangled and the others who were dismembered. These are usually signs of two distinct individual suspects, but then we had Ted Bundy who was all over the map with his kills. He bludgeoned some, strangled others, and even decapitated 10 or so. He went after an underage girl at the end who was not his victim profile type. He went from killer to child killer.
 
Salsa said:
Hello. I agree with the high IQ. I do not think he is incarcerated or dead because I believe he has kept many items of the victims and their is a good possibility someone would have found them if he passed away or ended up in prison. I am thinking a Bundy type character.
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Some more examples of highly "intelligent" SKs including Bundy:


  • Ted Kaczynski, IQ 167
  • Edmund Kempner, IQ 136
  • Ted Bundy, IQ 136
  • Andrew Cunanan, IQ 147
  • Joel Rifkin, IQ 129,
  • Jeffrey Dahmer, IQ 145,
  • Kristen Gilbert, IQ 152
  • Charlene Williams, IQ 160
  • John Wayne Gacy, IQ 118
  • David Berkowitz, IQ 118
  • N. Leopold IQ 210, R. Lobe IQ 169

http://www.murdermiletours.com/blog/serial-killers-with-an-abnormally-high-iq
 
No it's not said:
Some more examples of highly "intelligent" SKs including Bundy:


  • Ted Kaczynski, IQ 167
  • Edmund Kempner, IQ 136
  • Ted Bundy, IQ 136
  • Andrew Cunanan, IQ 147
  • Joel Rifkin, IQ 129,
  • Jeffrey Dahmer, IQ 145,
  • Kristen Gilbert, IQ 152
  • Charlene Williams, IQ 160
  • John Wayne Gacy, IQ 118
  • David Berkowitz, IQ 118
  • N. Leopold IQ 210, R. Lobe IQ 169

http://www.murdermiletours.com/blog/serial-killers-with-an-abnormally-high-iq
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I found this interesting, same link:

List of preferred methods of killing, by serial killers, how many and their average IQ.


  • Death by Bomb, 3 serial killers, IQ 140.3
  • Death by Strangulation & Gun, 6 serial killer, IQ 105.8
  • Death by Strangulation & Bludgeoning, 8 serial killers, IQ 108.8
  • Death by Poisoning, 1 serial killer, IQ 100.0
  • Death by Stabbing & Gun, 24 serial killers, IQ 96.0
  • Death by Strangulation, 40 serial killers, IQ 96.9
  • Death by Stabbing, 23 serial killers, IQ 92.7
  • Death by Gun, 59 serial killers, IQ 90.8
  • Death by Strangulation & Stabbing, IQ 13 89.5
  • Death by Stabbing & Bludgeoning, 11 serial killers, IQ 85.5
  • Death by Bludgeoning & Gun, 10 serial killers, IQ 82.2
  • Death by Bludgeon only, 10 serial killers, IQ 78.5

-Nin
 
Where is dismemberment? It is an after kill, but does it relate to intelligence too. I am surprised there are so many on the list because a profiler in an article said most serial killers are of average intelligence and not employed well.
 
The dismemberments took place post-mortem so,MB had to have a place near or even in Manorville perhaps a industrial place where seeing someone with packages of any kind wouldn't get another look.He and an accomplice would know the area naturally.2 man team one to drive and then help with disposal.A lookout would be possible as well.As for Shannon it's been clear to me that she died by accident.
 
My theory is this I think it is a group doing the killings.Everyone has a job to do example setting up the meet,money,disposal.They all participate in it.I feel a female aspect to it also and the girls may trust her.Maybe it is set up as a fun event with special people with big money and they fall for it.Maybe they know this person for a while like hair salon nail place because some of these girls had other jobs.She blended in with them so they felt save.Maybe not all communications were over a phone but the internet.Were any computers checked for odd chat rooms or messages.I really have to look at all possible communications.Just my thoughts.
 
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