OR - Emilio Hoffman, 14, killed in Troutdale high school shooting, 10 June 2014

[CARIIS]

I'm so with you. I turned off the live stream when they started interviewing the kids. Give them and their families some privacy.

Its actually good for them to talk and talk and talk about it

Talk about your thoughts, feeling and reactions to the events with people you trust. Then, talk about it some more. Keep talking about it until you have no need to talk about it anymore.

http://www.martinvcohen.com/trauma1.html

 

[Isabelle]

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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/troutdale-oregon-home-latest-us


Two Words: National Crisis.

Unfortunately with each occurrence the next gains more confidence. IMO

 

[Isabelle]

Wonder what year the shooter was in, senior and maybe failed? Was his victim a female? Thanks. Just horrible,

 

[skibaboo]

People get perturbed when mental illness is "blamed". I'm not sure why.

When a person dresses up in military gear, arms themselves to the teeth, and shows up in any public place and shoots random innocent people in an act of premeditated rage, they are not a mentally sound or stable individual. Whether the person is psychopathic, traumatized, or psychotic. The differences do not matter. They are mentally ill and armed.

Period.

Yes, true. BUT its the blanket statement of blame upon mental illness that gets my goat, is the mental illness the sole reason for these acts, imho NO, there are many contributing factors.

I suffer from a gamut of anxiety disorders, but I would never hurt a fly, and it's not that I haven't been through a hell of a lot of cr*p, or suffered traumas, or had my mind affected by drugs, because I have. I just would never hurt another person, or animal because it's wrong and I have a conscience. Good people have mental illness, bad people have mental illness, even still I don't think it is that simple, I cannot for the life of me imagine how someone decides to take another persons life.

JMO
:truce:

 

[Spice]

Yes, true. BUT its the blanket statement of blame upon mental illness that gets my goat, is the mental illness the sole reason for these acts, imho NO, there are many contributing factors.

I suffer from a gamut of anxiety disorders, but I would never hurt a fly, and it's not that I haven't been through a hell of a lot of cr*p, or suffered traumas, or had my mind affected by drugs, because I have. I just would never hurt another person, or animal because it's wrong and I have a conscience. Good people have mental illness, bad people have mental illness, even still I don't think it is that simple, I cannot for the life of me imagine how someone decides to take another persons life.

JMO
:truce:

I agree that human behavior is never the result of any one factor. And the majority of people with mental illness would not kill another person.

The problem is that these types of shooters are mentally ill and unstable and armed. We just cannot ignore that when discussing this horrific epidemic of rampage shootings that this country is experiencing. I don't like to use the word "blame", rather than an important factor in the bigger picture.

One of many variables that is contributing to this National Crisis.

Did you read the study I linked a while back? Where they found 3 types of school shooters? Psychotic, Psychopathic , and traumatized. It's an interesting read. It just helps us understand more about one piece of the larger puzzle.

 

[blue22]

Yes, true. BUT its the blanket statement of blame upon mental illness that gets my goat, is the mental illness the sole reason for these acts, imho NO, there are many contributing factors.

I suffer from a gamut of anxiety disorders, but I would never hurt a fly, and it's not that I haven't been through a hell of a lot of cr*p, or suffered traumas, or had my mind affected by drugs, because I have. I just would never hurt another person, or animal because it's wrong and I have a conscience. Good people have mental illness, bad people have mental illness, even still I don't think it is that simple, I cannot for the life of me imagine how someone decides to take another persons life.

JMO
:truce:

Almost across the board, these perpetrators have been violently delusional. That does not reflect the majority, of those with mental illness. I agree, it's not that simple. However, these men had behaviors before the shootings that greatly concerned. I think it's time that there is a way to report those concerns, and those concerns prevent them from being armed.

 

[CARIIS]

No apologies, CARIIS! We're all feeling desperate. I don't know what the answer is. I still like the backpack idea. I only know there are laws out there that can prevent the mentally ill from purchasing fire arms.

Chicago has a ban on firearms -- and we've had the highest murder rate for years. We know all too well how many times the law doesn't achieve what we hope it would.

ETA: I was admitted to the hospital in May of 2006 just as a point of reference.

I am telling ya all - there have been a couple of days where it was like I am not going to turn on the news. But I am news junkie , so I do that happened Canada it happened again, I skipped Sunday to find Monday Las Vegas, I tried to resist today and here it is again

 

[CARIIS]

I believe that mental health professionals have the right to contact authorities, if they feel a patient is a danger to society.

If a mental health professional believes a patient is disturbed and dangerous they should be able to flag that, so it shows up when trying to purchase a gun. I'm not talking about every person who takes an antidepressant. I'm talking the most severely disturbed and dangerous in the population...which is a small number of people.

At some point, the safety of the majority is going to have to take precedence over the privacy rights of the small percentage of very dangerous.

Imminent danger only!

Elementary kids doing drills on getting under gun proof blankets ………that is going to be comforting


In fact, it’s worth noting that BuzzFeed had a pre-scheduled tweet this morning about a company designing bullet-proof blankets, intended to protect children from school shootings, which went live on Twitter during the latest school shooting.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/troutdale-oregon-home-latest-us

 

[blue22]

Imminent danger only!

Well, of course. You can't really report someone you think might commit a crime 2 years from now.

 

[skibaboo]

I agree that human behavior is never the result of any one factor. And the majority of people with mental illness would not kill another person.

The problem is that these types of shooters are mentally ill and unstable and armed. We just cannot ignore that when discussing this horrific epidemic of rampage shootings that this country is experiencing. I don't like to use the word "blame", rather than an important factor in the bigger picture.

One of many variables that is contributing to this National Crisis.

Did you read the study I linked a while back? Where they found 3 types of school shooters? Psychotic, Psychopathic , and traumatized. It's an interesting read. It just helps us understand more about one piece of the larger puzzle.

I agree completely, and no I haven't I will go read it now.

I am not a professional, just a sufferer but I run a support community for sufferers of mental illness so I do have insight and experience, and about 50% of my member base are from the US. Virtually everyone I talk to is unable to get help, or the help is inadequate, or not covered by their insurance. It's frightening and I do worry one of these days I will read about another incident like this and it will have been someone I may have talked to. Scary thought

 

[Tssiemer]

I, as a social worker, are going to be quiet and stop beating the mental health screening is important dead horse.


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[CARIIS]

116 mass shootings in 2014

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2014

 

[SStarr33]

116 mass shootings in 2014

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2014

Check their method of obtaining data.

 

[Spice]

I agree completely, and no I haven't I will go read it now.

I am not a professional, just a sufferer but I run a support community for sufferers of mental illness so I do have insight and experience, and about 50% of my member base are from the US. Virtually everyone I talk to is unable to get help, or the help is inadequate, or not covered by their insurance. It's frightening and I do worry one of these days I will read about another incident like this and it will have been someone I may have talked to. Scary thought

Here it is so you don't have to search through a million posts for it:

Here is a study that found 3 types of these shooters out of 10 studied. Psychopathic, Psychotic (Delusional), and Traumatized. For the record, 5 out of the ten studied where Psychotic...(delusional, voices, hallucinations) 2 were psychopathic (Antisocial tendencies) and 3 were Traumatized.

http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Articles_files/Rampage School Shooters- A Typology.pdf

Also,that website where it comes from has many many other academic articles and studies solely on this topic schoolshooters.info . It is very informative and they are important reads. If any one is interested.

 

[blue22]

Here it is so you don't have to search through a million posts for it:

Here is a study that found 3 types of these shooters out of 10 studied. Psychopathic, Psychotic (Delusional), and Traumatized. For the record, 5 out of the ten studied where Psychotic...(delusional, voices, hallucinations) 2 were psychopathic (Antisocial tendencies) and 3 were Traumatized.

http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Ar...20Typology.pdf

Also,that website where it comes from has many many other academic articles and studies solely on this topic schoolshooters.info . It is very informative and they are important reads. If any one is interested.

The link didn't work for me.

 

[human]

Do you all really believe that people will not protest mental health screenings?

I remember when people protested the free health screenings for children in Wisconsin a few years ago.

People protest sex ed in schools, They protest teaching evolution.

I cannot see the mental health screen working out.

 

[Spice]

The link didn't work for me.

Fixed it Blue.

http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Articles_files/Rampage School Shooters- A Typology.pdf

 

[Spice]

Do you all really believe that people will not protest mental health screenings?

I remember when people protested the free health screenings for children in Wisconsin a few years ago.

People protest sex ed in schools, They protest teaching evolution.

I cannot see the mental health screen working out.

Hmmm....we screen for a lot of things that people get angry about. We screen for vision and competence for a Drivers License. We screen for credit for a loan. We screen for criminal history/personal references for a job. I had to have a background check and fingerprints done and run for my internship. I don't mind, as I am in child welfare and have nothing to hide. I am glad that they check for the safety of the children.

If you have no criminal background, if you have no history of documented mental illness and are not on or have been prescribed any medications, as in Antipsychotics, then you should have nothing to worry about. The screen can come up with a simple Pass/Fail for the people running it, or a risk rating (like a credit score) that you must meet. It doesn't have to give details of all of your personal information. You either pass it or you don't. That still will not stop everyone but it would help.

We screen all of the time for like a million things. People will protest, but they will get used to it. There has to be a non intrusive way to screen. We have to do something . Or why have background checks to begin with?

 

[x_files]

A lot of schools still use textbooks. And even ones that don't, HS students take an average of 6 classes, each class requiring their OWN binders/notebooks, reading books, plus calculators, rulers, index cards...I could go on and on. Text books aren't the only reason back backs are carried.

Banning backbacks isn't the answer. These people are going to come to school armed anyways.

I foresee metal detectors, wands,pat downs and clear backpacks in the next 5 years. Also more home school,online programs, smaller private schools and ones for troubled kids, a big separation.

 

[Spice]

I foresee metal detectors, wands,pat downs and clear backpacks in the next 5 years. Also more home school,online programs, smaller private schools and ones for troubled kids, a big separation.

Yeah. Like Prison.