OR - Emilio Hoffman, 14, killed in Troutdale high school shooting, 10 June 2014

[SilkySifaka]

People get perturbed when mental illness is "blamed" ( I prefer discussed) I'm not sure why.

When a person dresses up in military gear, arms themselves to the teeth, and shows up in any public place and shoots random innocent people in an act of premeditated rage, they are not a mentally sound or stable individual. Whether the person is psychopathic, traumatized, or psychotic. The differences do not matter. They are mentally ill and armed. One does not need to be a mental health professional to figure that out.

Mentally stable people do not do things like that. They do not go on rampages and kill innocent people.

Period.

Exactly. I get frustrated when people call it an excuse. It isn't, it is a reason. That doesn't mean there aren't consequences, but it is a starting point to looking for answers to stop these tragedies.

People understand suicide but not homicide while i believe they are two sides of the same coin. One is anger/depression turned inward and the other is turned outward.. Not in all cases but in so many of the troubled teens. I guess i just don't understand why there is so much more in the states than elsewhere, and all i can think of is low access to mental health care as a problem coupled with easy access to guns. Because as i stated earlier, we have cities as large as major cities in the U.S. with a fraction of the tragedies. When you think about it the states is the only western nation that has such a high incidence of mass shootings. It is also the one with little to no gun control

 

[blue22]

Do you all really believe that people will not protest mental health screenings?

I remember when people protested the free health screenings for children in Wisconsin a few years ago.

People protest sex ed in schools, They protest teaching evolution.

I cannot see the mental health screen working out.

We get screened for SO many things. Heck, just to get my kid into preschool...you'd think they are terrorists.

Not only that, no one has suggested mental health screenings. (Not in a broad sense, anyway.) It's simply a suggestion of mental health professionals being able to flag people, who are deemed an imminent danger and threat to society. (Like the Colorado shooter.)

People can protest, that doesn't mean these measures still can't be passed. I question anyone is is against it, and wonder what they have to hide.

 

[Spice]

People understand suicide but not homicide while i believe they are two sides of the same coin. One is anger/depression turned inward and the other is turned outward.

A very very thin line indeed. Very thin.

 

[CARIIS]

I, as a social worker, are going to be quiet and stop beating the mental health screening is important dead horse.


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We will see but think it may be an adult and not a student, how could a bunch of kids who see him not know his name ?

 

[Isabelle]

Imminent danger only!

Elementary kids doing drills on getting under gun proof blankets ………that is going to be comforting


In fact, it’s worth noting that BuzzFeed had a pre-scheduled tweet this morning about a company designing bullet-proof blankets, intended to protect children from school shootings, which went live on Twitter during the latest school shooting.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/troutdale-oregon-home-latest-us

Reminds me of the drills we did in elementary school when the Cuba and Russia stuff was hot. I think it was Russia, but definitely Cuba. It was not comforting at all!

 

[SilkySifaka]

I agree completely, and no I haven't I will go read it now.

I am not a professional, just a sufferer but I run a support community for sufferers of mental illness so I do have insight and experience, and about 50% of my member base are from the US. Virtually everyone I talk to is unable to get help, or the help is inadequate, or not covered by their insurance. It's frightening and I do worry one of these days I will read about another incident like this and it will have been someone I may have talked to. Scary thought

It is very difficult for us to understand the lack of mental health access in these cases (not that it always works, look at elliott rodger) I really don't get it. It is as if its the crazy uncle in the attic of yesteryear.

 

[gngr~snap]

Dec 12 2012 - 6 10 2014 18months?
74÷18=4.1111
So one a week. Wonderful.

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[JLSChook]

Rob Manning @RManning47 · 8m
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[Isabelle]

I hope schools are finally out for the summer so we can maybe get a break from this craziness.

 

[SilkySifaka]

A very very thin line indeed. Very thin.

It is why i often feel sorry for those who kill. I have been on one side of the despair and know how uncontrollable it is, its easy for me to see it being uncontrollable on the reverse side. I don't want them out in society but so many need treatment more than prison, especially the young ones. A high security hospital would be ideal that is humanely run compared to warehousing in prison with the worst of the worst if psychosis is a reason behind it or trauma. Some can be successfully treated and released while others have to spend their life there but punishment beyond that seems awfully futile.

 

[CARIIS]

5/24/2014 Elliot Rodger 4 8 Santa Barbara,CA
[188] [189] [190] 101 5/24/2014 Unknown 1 3 Bellflower, CA
[191] 102 5/24/2014 Unknown 1 7 New Orleans, LA
[192] 103 5/24/2014 Unknown 0 4 San Antonio, TX
[193] 104 5/24/2014 Unknown 0 5 Detroit, Mi
[194] 105 5/25/2014 Unknown 1 3 Toledo, OH
[195] 106 5/25/2014 Unknown 3 1 Myrtle Beach, SC
[196] 107 5/27/2014 Unknown 0 4 Norwalk, CA
[197] [198] 108 5/28/2014 Michael Harrison Davis Sheer 4 0 Mission Viejo, CA
[199] [200] 109 5/31/2014 Unknown 0 4 Brooklyn, NY
[201] 110 5/31/2014 Unknown 1 3 San Bernardino, CA
[202] [203] 111 6/1/2014 Unknown 1 5 Chicago, Il
[204] 112 6/1/2014 Unknown 0 4 Sacramento, CA
[205] 113 6/4/2014 Justin Bourque 3 2 Moncton, New Brunswick
[206] [207] 114 6/5/2014 Aaron Ybarra 1 3 Seattle, WA
[208] 115 6/7/2014 Unknown 1 4 Moncks Corner, SC
[209] 116 6/8/2014 Jerad Miller & Amanda Miller 5 0

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2014

The longest time frame since ER without one is 48 hours........................................

 

[Spice]

I hope schools are finally out for the summer so we can maybe get a break from this craziness.

Well then there are movie theatres, malls, restaurants, gyms, workplaces, courthouses.....It doesn't seem to ever stop.

 

[CARIIS]

Are all these bullet proof vests online orders or can one go to a gun store and pick up one?

Just saw video (heard this on scanner when it was happening) that they were searching a vehicle

they pulled out about 9 backpacks from the trunk of the car?



KPTV

 

[Spice]

It is very difficult for us to understand the lack of mental health access in these cases (not that it always works, look at elliott rodger) I really don't get it. It is as if its the crazy uncle in the attic of yesteryear.

I know. Both Lanza and Rodgers refused and did not take their medication. Rodger's were Antipsychotics. Both were well documented as having serious mental health and psychosocial issues.

 

[skibaboo]

It is very difficult for us to understand the lack of mental health access in these cases (not that it always works, look at elliott rodger) I really don't get it. It is as if its the crazy uncle in the attic of yesteryear.

Yes, we try to understand but we truly cannot when we aren't privy to every detail and then you can't understand that mindset. And what do we do when we can't understand something? We're confused by it and we fear it or hate it.

I should have also added those who don't think they need help, are afraid to get help, and those who think everyone should help them and not have to work on it themselves.. the list goes on. It's so so complex.

 

[Spice]

Are all these bullet proof vests online orders or can one go to a gun store and pick up one?

Either.

 

[Sunshine95]

Stigma. Denial. Two of the biggest problems, I believe. I see the path kids are on, and the potential outcomes if nothing is done to change it. I recommend they get counseling, even beg. Denial can be totally delusional and blinding "oh my kid wouldn't ever hurt themselves." "Oh my kid is normal, how dare you pick on them and say they are different?" And the stigma, "they don't need that, they aren't crazy!" "It will ruin their entire future if I take them to a psychiatrist!" And on and on and on.... I can send for emergency mandatory psych eval, but if they don't say "i am gonna kill myself" or "I will kill so and so with this plan" they are released. School social workers, psychologists, and counselors are trained to assess and intervene to the degree they are allowed, but that degree is limited. One limit is all the other duties they must fulfill that aren't mental health related, another is the high student to professional ratios, and on and on... If a heart specialist says a kid needs medical intervention, and the parents don't get it, it is medical neglect. If they are told by a. Mental health professional that their kid needs special services or psychological support, eh, take it or leave it parents. It's so frustrating to say the least! Even when there is a direct and specific threat, oh well maybe a report might get written?! Only power mental health professionals have is to tell the LE and person threatened, and parents if a minor, and that's it! Not sure where the line should be, but not comfy at all with where it currently stands! All my opinion.

 

[atthelake]

Either.

Wasn't there going to be a presser now ?

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[CARIIS]

Check their method of obtaining data.

There are 212 links on the page!!!

 

[CARIIS]

I foresee metal detectors, wands,pat downs and clear backpacks in the next 5 years. Also more home school,online programs, smaller private schools and ones for troubled kids, a big separation.

I went to school with six classes - we held our books in our hands and walked to class!