OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #3

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I have a hard time believing that a complete stranger would go into a school and do this. One of my thoughts: I wonder if there was a parent of another child - or a parent's significant other - who was there with their child, saw Kyron wondering around or near the door, and it was a crime of opportunity?
 
Ok, just curious because Cornelius Pass runs all along between the school and Kyron's home. Trying to find on the map where the train tracks are and if we can pinpoint where Jim Kelley lives. I checked all the homes on Cornelius Pass on the county assessors site and didn't come up with any Kelley's which makes sense because it said he lives on a road "off of Cornelius Pass". Looking for a winding downhill road with a house at the end near railroad tracks.

I have been looking too.
 
Another scenario would be that if he did get enthusiastic and went to the woods to find a frog, a mama nutria could have become alarmed if he stumbled near her nest. They are VERY scary when angry. I know a grown man who wouldn't step foot out of his truck when one was growling at him from below.

Perhaps a nutria, or another animal, scared him and caused him to go deeper into the wooded area?

Kimster - one of my favorite places to visit is Oregon - love how clean Portland is and all the beauty that is in the state.

With that said: I'm going to ignore what you are saying about Oregon. It's tainting my image lol.
 
I still can't figure out anything that has been said by media that anyone in family would object to or ask not be believed. The reporting has been a little screwy from the start, but we are used to that. Certainly nothing has been alluded to about family at all.

I know we all are split on this but I am still not getting stranger abduction here. I still think FBI's main purpose and aid to LE will be to zero in on suspects they may already have and figure out interview questions to try to get to the truth. This is something profilers can do to help LE. But I guess we won't know until we know...and I really hope we know something today.

I also don't feel this is a stanger abduction. I will not post what I really thinking after reading facebook comments. (I be TO) I don't think I be shocked when the truth come out.

I holding out hope that Kyron is safe and found soon.
 
I have a hard time believing that a complete stranger would go into a school and do this. One of my thoughts: I wonder if there was a parent of another child - or a parent's significant other - who was there with their child, saw Kyron wondering around or near the door, and it was a crime of opportunity?

Here.....it has happened before....

http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/3342
 
There has been a lot of discussion regarding the school's security practices. My kids attended school in a town with a population of 700. There were no fences, no alarms, no sign-ins and no calls to parents if the child was absent. Open house and parent-teacher conferences were held in the evening and the office was not open but the front doors were unlocked.

I contacted some friends in three different states to see what security policies are in place at the schools that their children or grandchildren attend. None had alarms on the doors or security cameras, one would call a parent if the child was absent and all had a note on the door saying visitors were to sign in at the office. However, when there were special events at school such as open house, art fairs or things of that nature, signing in wasn't reinforced due to the sheer number of people coming at once.

The point I'm trying to make is there are schools all over the country with no security measures at all, especially small schools. I think this news story should be sent to schools and media all over the country so changes in security can be made.

I agree that this news story should be sent to schools all over the country. I actually thought that after the 1988 Laurie Dann case, school security tightened all over the country. Guess I was wrong. I am wondering how many more cases need to be spotlighted in order for schools everywhere to finally do something! Sure, nothing is 100% secure, especially if the child went off with someone he/she knows, but every little bit helps.

I know security in our local schools changed dramatically over 20 years ago, after the Dann case. Our local schools put in intercom systems at the main entrance. All other entrances were locked at all times. Visitors had to state who they were and what their business was before being buzzed into the school. There were cameras at the main entrances as well (and by now, I'm sure there are many other cameras in other areas of the school).

If children did not show up to school and their parents did not call them in sick, the grade schools would contact parents in the morning. While I'm sure people could still enter schools through carelessly propped open doors, it is still hard to believe schools would not take security more seriously in this day and age.

But the parents have a responsibility too. I was always very much aware of the importance of calling the school to report my childrens' absences before the start of the school day. It is not something that can be shrugged off for the school to figure out and I imagine it is very frustrating for the schools to call the homes only to have a parent say, "Oh, yeah, she's home, I just forgot to call in." No excuse for that. Parents and schools are responsible for keeping our children safe and secure.

Dann case:
link: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2008-05/msg02208.html
"Dann started her day early May 20. Before entering Hubbard Woods about
10:30 a.m., she lit a house on fire, attempted to firebomb a school
and delivered poisoned snacks to people she knew. She could have
killed dozens had any of those attempts succeeded.

Amy Moses:
Dann went into Hubbard Woods with three handguns she obtained legally,
tucked in the waistband of her shorts.

She went to the 2nd grade classroom where Moses was teaching bicycle
safety. She observed for a few moments and walked out. She spotted a
6-year-old boy at a water fountain, dragged him into a bathroom and
shot him in the upper right chest. She returned to the classroom, gun
in hand, and ordered Moses to herd the children into a corner. Moses
refused and tried to grab the firearm while yelling for help.

Dann broke free and shot five more children, killing Nicholas and
critically injuring the other four.

Moses was the only adult witness, a weight that still rests on her
slight frame. She never taught again. For years, she struggled to
sleep and eat and still steers clear of the news, she said."

Additional link to Dann case:
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann[/ame]
 
I also don't feel this is a stanger abduction. I will not post what I really thinking after reading facebook comments. (I be TO) I don't think I be shocked when the truth come out.

I holding out hope that Kyron is safe and found soon.

who's facebook page ? which one ?
 
I also don't feel this is a stanger abduction. I will not post what I really thinking after reading facebook comments. (I be TO) I don't think I be shocked when the truth come out.

I holding out hope that Kyron is safe and found soon.

Safe and found soon would be absolutely wonderful- even better if he is somewhere safe now, no matter the circumstances.

But 72 hours is entirely too long for a 7 year olds whereabouts to be unknown.
 
You can see it somewhat clearly on the USGS map, to the NW of what looks something like a quarry or fill...?
0.004285,0.008647

Oh, did my link show the satellite view?? If you click on "map" instead of "satellite" you can see the little stripes that are for the railroad tracks.
 
Oh, did my link show the satellite view?? If you click on "map" instead of "satellite" you can see the little stripes that are for the railroad tracks.

They show both, you can flip back and forth- whatever is easier to orient. You can see the road Jules was looking for to the southeast, I believe.
 
For those wanting a better look at the school, you can do street/foot view and sorta see the front of the building. Just click this link and drag the yellow man icon to the street in front of the school.

 
I believe it said "a mile and a half away".

"Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday."
 
Kimster - one of my favorite places to visit is Oregon - love how clean Portland is and all the beauty that is in the state.

With that said: I'm going to ignore what you are saying about Oregon. It's tainting my image lol.

LOL! No worries! I've been to many cities and I still believe Portland is the most beautiful by far!
 
i see that despite repeated warnings not to sleuth or insult the parents its still going on.

why arent we focusing on the school and those that either work there or live in the area?
 
i see that despite repeated warnings not to sleuth or insult the parents its still going on.

why arent we focusing on the school and those that either work there or live in the area?

The school is pretty much all I see being discussed right now (which, is a good thing). Either that, or where the search is taking place today and trying to figure out exactly where the suspicious vehicle was seen.
 
Oh, did my link show the satellite view?? If you click on "map" instead of "satellite" you can see the little stripes that are for the railroad tracks.

Excellent! I was thinking that had to be the tracks, but couldn't confirm it until like you said I clicked on map view instead of satellite. Thanks!
 
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I do find it odd that this happened while the father was out of town with the brother. And who was supposed to meet the boy at the bus stop?

I, too, find it very odd that this happened while the father was out of town with the older brother. CORRECTION, so I don't get corrected over and over again. I do now realize it was not Kyron's father that was out of town, but the older brother's natural father that was out of town.

Someone probably already mentioned this, but apparently the step mom went to the bus stop to pick the little boy up.
 
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