OR - Militia members occupy federal building in Oregon after protest #1

[i.b.nora]

They're worried about an FBI camera so they take it down, but they let media in to film them while they do it.

Brilliant don't you think?

 

[bluesneakers]

Brilliant don't you think?

Do they really not even see it?

 

[i.b.nora]

I lost track of it but there was a snippet from one of the people who normally works at the refuge who attended a counter protest today. He expressed his concern about the feeding of the birds. There is a schedule, a time, a place, etc. Very sad.

 

[Brightbird]

Please, what does LARP mean?

 

[bluesneakers]

Please, what does LARP mean?

Live Action Role Play.

Like when people dress up as characters from movies or comic books or history and act out scenes.

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[RickshawFan]

Here's what has happened to some of the wildlife, thanks to the U.S. Bureau of Land Management:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/24/blm-illegally-sold-thousands-wild-horses-slaughter/

The wild horses issue is complicated. It has nothing to do with the Bundy thing. Although maybe the guy who bought and sold the horses for slaughter is a pal of Bundy?

The horses are not on the wildlife refuge. If you look at the photos I posted a few days ago, you will see that that part of Oregon is miles and miles of nothing. The wild horses are on Steens Mountain and from Burns heading south to Winnemucca. BLM owns most of this nothing. The rest of it belongs to gigantic ranches.

I believe the issues surrounding the horses are a bit different than they used to be (like 25 years or so ago). I'm sure it's an ongoing process. Although this situation seems terrible, awful, someone here ripped off the US public. They should be sued.

 

[i.b.nora]

Oregon militia has 4,000 artifacts in the building they're occupying
Associated Press

http://mashable.com/2016/01/15/oregon-refuge-artifacts/#Udb0lQpSr8qA

“Thousands of archaeological artifacts — and maps detailing where more can be found — are kept inside the national wildlife refuge buildings currently being held by an armed group of protestors angry over federal land policy.

Ryan Bundy, one of the leaders of the group occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in southeastern Oregon, says they have no real interest in the antiquities. Still, their access to the artifacts and maps has some worried that looters could take advantage of the situation.

"There's a huge market for artifacts, "There's a huge market for artifacts, especially artifacts that have provenance, where you can identify where they came from," said Carla Burnside, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's refuge archeologist.

More than 300 recorded prehistoric sites are scattered across the refuge, including burial grounds, ancient villages and petroglyphs. Some of the artifacts — including spears, stone tools, woven baskets and beads — date back 9,800 years.”

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“Bundy said people interested in archeology are welcome to explore the refuge, but that cattle ranchers and loggers should have priority when it comes to land use.

"Before white man came, so to speak, there was nothing to keep cattle from tromping on those things," Bundy said.

Though some countries had domesticated cattle 10,000 years ago, the animals came to the United States with European settlers.

"We also recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim," Bundy said. "There are things to learn from cultures of the past, but the current culture is the most important."”​

And, there you have it. The Bundy sons have always reminded me of the Goblin Topplers.

 

[RickshawFan]

I just got up and haven't had my coffee yet, but I'm not seeing any mention of the Oregon wildlife refuge in this link. Would you please clarify?

You are correct. The post has nothing to do with the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. They are in different places, although both are managed, if I recall, out of the Burns ranger district. We're talking a county (Harney) twice the size of Connecticut, per the NYT, and almost all of it is federal property. There's all kinds of wildlife....

 

[bluesneakers]

Oregon militia has 4,000 artifacts in the building they're occupying
Associated Press

http://mashable.com/2016/01/15/oregon-refuge-artifacts/#Udb0lQpSr8qA

“Thousands of archaeological artifacts — and maps detailing where more can be found — are kept inside the national wildlife refuge buildings currently being held by an armed group of protestors angry over federal land policy.

Ryan Bundy, one of the leaders of the group occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in southeastern Oregon, says they have no real interest in the antiquities. Still, their access to the artifacts and maps has some worried that looters could take advantage of the situation.

"There's a huge market for artifacts, "There's a huge market for artifacts, especially artifacts that have provenance, where you can identify where they came from," said Carla Burnside, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's refuge archeologist.

More than 300 recorded prehistoric sites are scattered across the refuge, including burial grounds, ancient villages and petroglyphs. Some of the artifacts — including spears, stone tools, woven baskets and beads — date back 9,800 years.”

*

“Bundy said people interested in archeology are welcome to explore the refuge, but that cattle ranchers and loggers should have priority when it comes to land use.

"Before white man came, so to speak, there was nothing to keep cattle from tromping on those things," Bundy said.

Though some countries had domesticated cattle 10,000 years ago, the animals came to the United States with European settlers.

"We also recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim," Bundy said. "There are things to learn from cultures of the past, but the current culture is the most important."”​

And, there you have it. The Bundy sons have always reminded me of the Goblin Topplers.

How are they still allowed to be there? I'm afraid they're doing irreparable damage.

 

[RickshawFan]

It is expensive to stay in a nice accomodation in park areas.

Families should take a cue from the mm and plan nice vacations around taking over a public area and calling it their own for a two week vacation. So much cheaper.

Problem is, most families are not going to want to go there for a family vacation: no Disneyland, no shopping, no Burger King. And there is no accommodation! Either you have to back into Burns or you have to go down to FrenchGlen (population 12) and stay in the historic hotel with tiny rooms and bathrooms down the hallway (showers down the hallway, too), or else you have to go camping between French Glen and Steens Mountain.

It will really help to look at a map (check out the scale) and look over the photos I posted a couple of days ago.

 

[RickshawFan]

Being a strong environmentalist, I fail to even see the importance of this program. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if all these animals were rounded up. Because they are nothing but domesticated animals running wild, and they are not even native to North America. To me it is like introducing feral cats and dogs to public lands. Nobody would propose such a ridiculous thing, so why is it important to have feral horses in the wild? I don’t get it. I don't want to see the horses slaughtered, but at the same time, I don’t think it would necessarily be a bad thing if they disappeared from public lands.

They are on land that has nothing, I mean nothing, on it. They have been there since the 19th century? If you've ever been to Assateague or the Virginia Highlands, they're the same sort of wild creature. Really, they are quite special. There are feral dogs in the wild, by the way: they interbreed with cayotes.

 

[RickshawFan]

You mean it happened? We've finally had an arrest!!! I was beginning to think arrests were like unicorns in this case! You've heard of them but never actually SEE them!

They'll have to send someone else to get groceries. In another gov't vehicle? We could have a war of attrition in the Safeway parking lot....

And where are they going to get gas for the grocery runs? I'll bet the gov't vehicles are pickup truck gas hogs.

 

[RickshawFan]

That's not everyone's opinion. E.g., Danny Coulson, retired Deputy Director of the FBI, said the only law being broken is perhaps trespassing.

That's 'cos the Bundys are old pals of his......

 

[ILOKAL]

The wild horses issue is complicated. It has nothing to do with the Bundy thing. Although maybe the guy who bought and sold the horses for slaughter is a pal of Bundy?

The horses are not on the wildlife refuge. If you look at the photos I posted a few days ago, you will see that that part of Oregon is miles and miles of nothing. The wild horses are on Steens Mountain and from Burns heading south to Winnemucca. BLM owns most of this nothing. The rest of it belongs to gigantic ranches.

I believe the issues surrounding the horses are a bit different than they used to be (like 25 years or so ago). I'm sure it's an ongoing process. Although this situation seems terrible, awful, someone here ripped off the US public. They should be sued.

There ARE wild horses on Malheur WR, aka Murderer's Creek.

https://prophoto7journal.wordpress....rers-creek-capture-report-blm-cover-up-again/

 

[ILOKAL]

That's 'cos the Bundys are old pals of his......

And why would that change his opinion on what, if any, laws the militia has broken?

 

[bluesneakers]

And why would that change his opinion on what, if any, laws the militia has broken?

He doesn't want his friends to get in trouble, and he's speaking in support of them rather than objectively.
JMO

 

[RickshawFan]

There ARE wild horses on Malheur WR, aka Murderer's Creek.

https://prophoto7journal.wordpress....rers-creek-capture-report-blm-cover-up-again/

Ummmmm....Could you maybe verify that this blogger is familiar with Oregon? Doesn't sound as though they've ever been there or looked at the map on the link.

 

[ILOKAL]

Ummmmm....Could you maybe verify that this blogger is familiar with Oregon? Doesn't sound as though they've ever been there or looked at the map on the link.

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3846473.pdf

 

[IzzyBlanche]

There ARE wild horses on Malheur WR, aka Murderer's Creek.

https://prophoto7journal.wordpress....rers-creek-capture-report-blm-cover-up-again/

Well color me confused then, because this map shows Murderers Creek as being north of Burns:

while this map shows the Malheur Wildlife Refuge as being south of Burns and in a completely different county:

 

[IzzyBlanche]

There ARE wild horses on Malheur WR, aka Murderer's Creek.

https://prophoto7journal.wordpress....rers-creek-capture-report-blm-cover-up-again/

Thanks for posting this link. I like this blogger. He sure doesn't think much of what he calls "welfare ranchers" which he defines as ranchers who run their cattle on public lands via grazing permit from the Bureau of Land Management. Like, for example, Bundys.

He even holds them partly responsible for wild horse culls:

Unnecessary wild horse herd roundups, demanded by the Welfare Ranching community, are predicated on falsified wild horse overpopulation counts done by BLM, on falsified competition factors with cattle and sheep, costing taxpayers $75.4 million yearly – rounding up and storage (i.e. per government and private contractor invoice, vouchers, receipts, and government Procurement Process authorizations and payments)
Wild Horses, as well as other wildlife, are killed or driven from Public Lands, to place more cattle and sheep onto Public Lands – and at the demands of Welfare Ranchers, who indeed remain coercive and threaten BLM consistently, on a constant basis;

And I particularly like this comment about welfare ranchers:

So why do many Welfare Rancher’s today feel entitled, when in reality no entitlement deserved . . . One can suppose, and be correct, that their entitled mentality to taxpayer money and Federal Lands be given them is “illusory superiority perceptions” at best. Because they have gotten away with corruption on Public Lands, and break laws that anyone else would go to jail for, is not an appropriate qualification toward entitlement and thousands of dollars of taxpayer money yearly. And this one of so many reason they would like to take-over Public Lands – Money! And a lot of it!

And one more:

So why the anti-government rebellion? Nothing more than a smoke-screen, and the rebels will leave you with a lack-of-facts – because if you knew of these facts, they would appear very much as petty criminals, or some state like little children trying to pull a fast one on their parents.

https://prophoto7journal.wordpress.com/