OR OR - Sweet Home - 'Swamp Mountain Doe' - Am Ind/Native/WhtFem 18-40 - UP7765 - Jul'76

[CarlK90245]

A facial reconstruction has been created for this Jane Doe and posted to NamUs.

https://identifyus.org/cases/7765

Here for comparison are the three possibles proposed on this thread:

Madeline Anna Babcock http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._madeline.html
Virginia Erickson http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/erickson_virginia.html
Vicki Lynn Hollar http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hollar_vicki.html

Of these three, Madeline is the closest, IMO, but Vicki is reasonably close too. Virginia has squarer jaws.

 

[Donjeta]

The face is so long and narrow it doesn't look very realistic to me.

 

[Redwood146]

I dont know how to explain it but I dont think Jane Doe is Virginia Erickson simply because I cant imagine Virginia wearing the clothes Jane Doe was wearing. Virginia played the local church organ. I just cant picture her wearing those kind of shoes and having ethnic\ native beaded belt -she simply does not look the type in my opinion to wear even when they trendy in the 1970s.

 

[dsntslp]

I think the beaded section may be a belt.
I would have to measure seed beads per inch on average but that was a very common design for belts.

Also, a belt would have been made with stronger threading, as in nylon?. Nylon threading would withstand the elements and would have remained fairly intact, IMO.

ETA: Reading back now and see where Carbuff has said this as well...

 

[CarlK90245]

A facial reconstruction has been created for this Jane Doe and posted to NamUs.

https://identifyus.org/cases/7765

Here for comparison are the three possibles proposed on this thread:

Madeline Anna Babcock http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._madeline.html
Virginia Erickson http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/erickson_virginia.html
Vicki Lynn Hollar http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hollar_vicki.html

Of these three, Madeline is the closest, IMO, but Vicki is reasonably close too. Virginia has squarer jaws.

Madeline Babcock is now on the rule-out list for this UID.

https://identifyus.org/cases/7765

 

[believe09]

Hi, guys-I dropped the ball. Madeline's sister asked me to post this yesterday:

Hi Pat:

I received a response from the University of North Texas. The DNA from the Jane Doe in Linn County, OR was compared to the family reference samples provided from your family. Based on the DNA, this Jane Does has been excluded from being Madeline. The cases in NamUs will be updated to reflect this accurately as well.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Madeline is out there somewhere...and we soldier on.

 

[badhorsie]

Is anyone familiar with a case of female remains found 4foot 11 inches with heald broken nose found by a Moss hunter July 24th 1976 buried for about ten years prior . These remains could be my missing sister Madeline Anna Babcock same height missing since June 1969 .I have death threats letters that my sister wrote of saying her Ex threatened to kill her he lives 5 hrs and 38 minutes from Linn county Oregon were the remains were found any input would be appreciated Just Pat 22

God bless you, I hope you can find your sister (((hugs)))

 

[Kimster]

Another person in the cold case files and featured on the Website is Rita Lorraine Jolly, who was born December 6th, 1955. She lived on Horton Road in West Linn.

Police say that on June 29th, 1973 at about 7:15 PM, Rita Jolly left her residence to take a walk. Rita Jolly was last seen in the West Linn area at about 8:30 to 9:00 PM -- possibly in the Robinwood area and/or on Sunset Ave.

Rita Jolly has not been seen or heard of since. Foul play is suspected.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/march022008/cold_cases_3-1-08.php

Rita Jolly's description in 1973: 17-years old, 5'6", 130 pounds with long, light-brown hair. She was last seen wearing a brown Pendleton shirt, army fatigue pants or blue jeans and low-cut blue tennis shoes. She walks with an uneven stride.

 

[believe09]

I wonder if her nose was broken, Kim.

 

[chaddylex]

I wonder if her nose was broken, Kim.

Believe,

It doesn't say anything about her having a previously broken nose on her Charley profile, here is the link http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jolly_rita.html

 

[believe09]

Believe,

It doesn't say anything about her having a previously broken nose on her Charley profile, here is the link http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jolly_rita.html

I can call and see if it might be hold back information...but I dont want to step on anyone's toes.

 

[Kimster]

I'd like to know if there's a way to find out exactly where the remains were located, or at least which town? I know some old-timers that live in Linn County and maybe they'll remember something, but they are gonna want to know where the remains were found.

 

[CarlK90245]

I'd like to know if there's a way to find out exactly where the remains were located, or at least which town? I know some old-timers that live in Linn County and maybe they'll remember something, but they are gonna want to know where the remains were found.

I left a voicemail message with Nici Vance of the Oregon State MedEx office.

I also asked whether she knows if the two known missing T Bundy victims (Vicky Hollar and Rita Jolly) were ever compared, as they are from that part of Oregon and are not listed on the rule-out listing.

 

[CarlK90245]

I left a voicemail message with Nici Vance of the Oregon State MedEx office.

I also asked whether she knows if the two known missing T Bundy victims (Vicky Hollar and Rita Jolly) were ever compared, as they are from that part of Oregon and are not listed on the rule-out listing.

Nici Vance called me back, and said that she will have to dig around a little to find out where exactly in Linn County the Jane Doe was found.

She also said that Rita Jolly and Virginia Erickson can be ruled out by virtue of the fact that they both have nucDNA and mtDNA profiles in CODIS, as does the Jane Doe.

Vicky Hollar is the only one that she cannot rule out. She says that she cannot find any indication anywhere that there is DNA available on Vicky. She will look around to find out if a comparison has ever been made in years past. Her MP file indicates that she has dental records available, but they are being held at the local LE agency.

I will update as soon as I hear back from her about the city in which the UID was found.

 

[Kimster]

I printed a pic of the shoe and bead work and showed them to a friend who was in high school in 1976 in Linn Co. She said it was very popular in the area to wear both styles during that period of time. :sigh:

She didn't remember hearing anything about remains being found then either, but admitted it was a very long time ago.

 

[Kimster]

Found the area and it's not very close to the people I know, unfortunately.

"Oregon State Highway 20 near Swamp Mountain Road, Sweet Home"

There were partial remains of another doe found two years later not very far from there:

Case Report - NamUs UP # 7776
Case Information
Status Unidentified
Case number 78-2759
Date found April 27, 1978 at 01:36 PM
Date created September 02, 2010 at 03:36 PM
Date last modified August 28, 2011 at 06:07 AM
Date QA reviewed September 03, 2010 at 07:53 AM

Circumstances of death
Found in a forested area off of Highway 20 in eastern Linn County, Oregon.

https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/7776

 

[CarlK90245]

Here's another mid-1970's Female MP from Oregon just added to NamUs who fits the description of the 1976 Linn County Jane Doe.

Cherril Sue Miller

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13680/4

Her height (5'0" to 5'1") is spot-on. Her age is within range. She went missing in October 1975 in Portland OR (less than 100 miles from where the remains were found) found.

Her NamUs page indicates that she had "one discolored or capped tooth in front of mouth". However, we can't verify that to the UID because the upper-front teeth (as well as most of her teeth on the upper left side) were missing postmortem.

Her clothing and purse description doesn't match though.

ETA: I just noticed in the dentals section that the Jane Doe's dental age is estimated at 17.7 (plus or minus 1.8 years). This would tighten the Jane Does age estimate to somewhere between 15.9 years old and 19.5 years old.

 

[kpdx]

Hey CarlK, did ME Vance ever confirm Virginia Erickson had been ruled out against https://identifyus.org/cases/7775 OR Linn County Jane Doe (found 1996)?

Seems like circumstances of her LKA and the location of UID make it probable.

The UID has only low copy DNA available, so they are testing locally only...

 

[CarlK90245]

Here's a new 1974 case newly added to Namus:

Lula Ann Miller

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23155/0

We have a pretty good resemblance to the recon.

Height (60-63 inches) is good.
Age (27) is good
Timeline (20 months from 1-Nov-74 to 24-Jul-76) is good.

The negatives (or big unknowns) are the distance from Indiana to Oregon, and whether or not she would be seen in the same kind of hippy clothes that the Jane Doe was found in.

 

[carbuff]

There's more than enough time to travel from Indiana to Oregon, so that's not much of a problem.

The clothing is only mildly hippy-ish. Fashionable. So not much of a problem either.

The big thing I notice is that the JD has an extremely long narrow head, and Ms. Miller has the same sort of long narrow head.

Good find.