I would think so. I know all the school buses in my area do have them.
GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #2
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I would think so. I know all the school buses in my area do have them.
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Trimet, our local buses, do have cameras on them and they record and save, as far as I know, and Trimet also has lightrail called "Max" that also has cameras and records.
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Thank you for reminding me of this! I heard Clark Howard explain this once...Hi! I've been a lurker on this page for a while but it's the first time I comment. I believe her truck was parked at walmart in that position so whoever it was could get out of the SUV through the back door and not be seen by cameras at walmart. There was the floor mats put on the seats and the seats being down. Whoever it was jumps into the back and leaves through the back door. I also have an observation about the discrepancy about what LE has said in terms of the transaction with her card and what Clint said. I work in customer service as an interpreter. I once had a call about somebody wanting to report a Gas Station for fraud because of a couple of transactions on her card that this person says they had not done. The representative from the bank explained that at that moment in the system there was only the one transaction and that what had probably happened was the the system had not updated quickly while she was looking at her transactions. When you purchase gas they first verify your card charging a small amount then they put a hold on it for a certain amount. Usually $75 and then when you finish putting in the gas it then calculates the correct amount that will be charged. If for some reason the system is slow, or having some type of issue then you would see these charges as individual when in reality it's just one transaction. I don't know if I explained myself well.
How gas stations and hotels etc can but a $ amt "HOLD" on the card...
It also just HIT ME... in my area, if the purchase is UNDER 25$ there is NO PIN OR SIGNATURE REQUIRED!!!
However I have only seen this done at Taco Bell and Mc Donald's... we have to pump our own gas here so I guess I really don't know what I am trying to say here...:blushing:
In Oregon is a PIN or signature required when you purchase small amounts of gas?
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or those that service the area near that walmart around the time the car was left there.
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LOL...when I read this the thought that came immediately to mind was.....Someone with OCD probably would..... :floorlaugh:
guess getting gas multiples of time and ATM withdrawals could fall under this as well...
Things that make you go hmmmmm
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http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/10/gresham_police_community_want.html
"Heichel's disappearance is considered suspicious, but it is not a criminal investigation at this point, said Gresham Police Lt. Claudio Grandjean."
Umm... what?
"Heichel's disappearance is considered suspicious, but it is not a criminal investigation at this point, said Gresham Police Lt. Claudio Grandjean."
Umm... what?
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A few days ago LE said the vehicle might have traveled to Sandy, OR. This of course was before they found tire marks and broken glass in that location. I figured LE knew this by tracking a cell phone. How else would they have known where the car traveled? That model of Explorer doesn’t have a GPS system. The big question is who’s cell phone did they track and where was Whitney’s cell phone located when receiving messages from her husband asking where she was.
I would also imagine the times when the phone was thought to be in Sandy is known and it would be interesting to include these times along with the known times the ATM card was used at the various gas stations all on a map to know if the vehicle traveled to Sandy prior to stopping at the gas station or after. I don’t think there was enough time between the two gas station transactions for the car to have traveled to Sandy and back.
Now that the phone has been found it should also be fairly easy to tell if the phone was in that location when messages were received when her husband said he tried calling the phone until it eventually went dead because the phone was going directly to voice mail.
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I would also imagine the times when the phone was thought to be in Sandy is known and it would be interesting to include these times along with the known times the ATM card was used at the various gas stations all on a map to know if the vehicle traveled to Sandy prior to stopping at the gas station or after. I don’t think there was enough time between the two gas station transactions for the car to have traveled to Sandy and back.
Now that the phone has been found it should also be fairly easy to tell if the phone was in that location when messages were received when her husband said he tried calling the phone until it eventually went dead because the phone was going directly to voice mail.
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I am with you on this. Planned and Executed. Possibly planned well to throw off the investigation - going all the Way to Larch Mountain to D Park or vice versa before reaching the gas station? That would explain those 2 hours till 9:14am sighting of her Ford Exp. but doesn't tell us what happened.
Were there more preps involved in this? Looks quite possible now.
I think they have some solid evidence in Larch Mountain - and that sighting by a FB poster only means that it was either Whitney who was sighted or another female prep who was sighted.
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As answered above, no. I can purchase $100 worth of gas and they won't need my PIN/signature either.
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Can you post persons initials please?
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Video: Larch Mt. search for Whitney Heichel
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=17487083...7&ref=rcvidmod
Bringing this video forward-
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=17487083...7&ref=rcvidmod
Bringing this video forward-
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same here. it's never happened to me with gas tho... i always have to put in a pin or zip code. HOWEVER, i would think if you said "put $20.00", they would specify that when processing it and it might not put a hold? like at restaurants... they put a hold on the card when they take the receipt back to the card holder to sign in case they want to bump up the amount for a tip... once they have the correct amount to process, they then run that amount and the hold is removed and the full amount will show up on the user's account. at least this is the case with mine. i would think giving an exact amount at a gas station would be the same thing.
it just occurred to me... the card being used for such a small amount at the gas station AFTER the car had apparently already been to the mountains makes me think the perp just wanted to put a little more in the tank to get him to the point he needed to drop it off. maybe the gas light was on at that point. maybe he realized that small amount wouldnt be enough to do what he needed to do before dropping the car at walmart, so he stopped for a little more at another station. in my explorer, it takes quite a bit of $$ to get the darn needle to move. lol. perhaps he was used to either a small car's gas tank or having no car at all and didn't realize how much it would take (especially with gas rates so high right now).
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Thank you! Well that settles that! IMO...
I wish debit cards had GPS! :waitasec:
(lol not really... but jus saying)
I wish we could "locate" them! or IT...
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Did he say this today?
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well, if they have a suspect and that suspect has a cell phone, it should have been pinging right in sync with hers, yes?
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It is to bad any forensic evidence is likely ruined from the phone when the kids handled it when found. It is a huge piece of evidence in the case and it is good that the phone was found, its just too bad that it couldn't have been examined to determine if DNA could have been recovered from it before being contaminated.
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No, today he responded to reports saying that and specified that it has been treated like a criminal investigation from the start.
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