I thought the charged term was "sodomy" not "rape"? Maybe I missed some new info.
ur correct. it is sodomy...i wonder why sodomy and not rape
I thought the charged term was "sodomy" not "rape"? Maybe I missed some new info.
I believe robbery, kidnapping and rape were additional charges added on Friday.
That's what I recall as well. I wonder if the "rape" charge is the same as, or part of, the "sodomy" charge. I initially didn't realize that at least in some cases oral sex is considered "sodomy." I would assume it could be considered rape also. There are several counts of murder all related to killing of one person, so it makes sense to me that multiple charges could be filed for a single sex offense too.
BBMI'm not claiming the guy was gifted. But it's also true that he was not a moron, having maintained a 3.75 to 3.35 range all through high school. This is just one of many reasons I am questioning this case...it's another thing that doesn't add up for me.
And Desdemona, that just my opinion.![]()
A few questions that have remained unanswered and still stick out in my mind after reviewing the arrest affidavit:
1.) JH stated he had two identical Smith & Wesson 9mm and a Keltec 9mm. He said he sold all of them to his dad except one of the Smith & Wessons (we know this is not true since LE observed him ditching 2 of them and both were as described). We also learned that he purchased one of these Smith & Wessons from Keith's Sporting Goods in Gresham on June 26th which is only about 4 months prior. So why did he take Two guns with him for this murder and did he use both of them or were all of the 4 shell casings found inside the vehicle from the same gun? And where is the 3rd gun he spoke of? I believe the number of guns he had (especially knowing his wife did not like guns as stated in the document) and prior unknown whereabouts (August 2011) and his getting caught peeping by their next door neighbor's wife further implicate that this could potentially not be his first attempt.
2.) Does the white utility vehicle have anything to do with JH leaving the WalMart parking lot after dumping the Explorer? I believe this is completely a coincidence of timing and no evidence has pointed to a 2nd person being involved in this crime as of yet so we have to assume he acted alone unless something better than "A white utility vehicle was seen on video entering and crossing the parking lot and leaving about 20 minutes later".
3.) August 2011, Jonathan Holt disappeared for 12+ hours with the stolen rental car. He told family, friends and LE that he just needed to "Clear his head" and his statement during that time missing over 1 year ago was almost identical to what he told Amanda & Evan Judd (friends from their church) when they found him walking on SW 257th Ave & Stark Street (roughly right at the Regal Stark Street Stadium 10 Movie Theater). He told them that he had been robbed that morning so he spent the day "walking around trying to clear his head". Very suspicious since that's nearly the same thing he said in August last year when he went missing.
Also, this appears to be roughly 2.8 miles from the Walmart. This further leads me to believe he walked away from Walmart rather than being picked up by an accomplice. Here's a map from Walmart to where the Judd's found him:
http://goo.gl/maps/g8507
4.) Bottom of page 6 and top of page 7 out of 44 on the affidavit: "While the search warrant was being executed Jonathan Holt continued to be interviewed by Sergeant Harrington and Detective Seymour, Jonathan Holt admitted that his iPad, Asus gaming laptop and several external (computer) drives and flash drives were in his backpack and that he has a lot of *advertiser censored* that he had been collecting on his laptop and external drives and there would be some child *advertiser censored* on them. Jonathan Holt told them it was all the stuff that he had downloaded. The interview of Jonathan Holt continued and he disclosed that he had entered Whitney and Clinton Heiche's apartment and stole an iPhone 3G from a dresser drawer. Jonathan Holt told them that he took the stolen cell phone and had a new SIM card put in it and then used it as his own."
Why is he just gushing information to LE and admitting all of these crimes outright when LE probably had no idea of these other issues outside of the murder? It's very odd that he is admitting to additional felonies that do not seem to relate directly to the murder? You really think they accused him of breaking and entering the Heichel's apartment to steal a phone and also of downloading illegal material during the interview of a murder investigation? It just doesn't make sense why he's volunteering these additional details, was he overwhelmed with guilt during the interview?
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On another note, based on all of these details in the affidavit, it's clearly obvious that the entire story to provide an alibi of his whereabouts from the morning through 6:50pm on the day of WH's murder was completely made up with details changed constantly (which is what led LE to believe he was a suspect).
As far as how smart or dumb JH is, I'm not sure you could quantify his intelligence from a GPA but I do know you couldn't be any more careless about the "cleanup" he attempted. He left the shell casings in the SUV along with a ton of other evidence including copious amounts of blood spots and pooling and brain spatter along with skull fragments and clumps of hair. He left the front license plate at a place near the body which ultimately led to them finding it. He could have burned the empty boxes of ammo he left in a dumpster, burned the cloth and garments stained with blood he threw in the Walmart dumpster, gotten rid of the guns way before the time he scheduled to go to the police station for another interview, NOT brought his laptop and external drives with illegal material on it with him to the station, and this list goes on...He just seems all around extremely careless when scattering the evidence all over the place.
It's almost like he wanted her body to be found but he didn't expect to get tied to the murder? I simply can't understand how anyone could be this obvious and careless if they were going to take the time to attempt a cover up or cleanup at all.
Just wanted to point out that the wording in the affidavit could be specific and intentional. A "utility vehicle" is not necessarily a "sport utility vehicle," i.e. SUV or pickup truck.I think you've got it.![]()
Interesting they mentioned that white utility vehicle in the affidavit. Good catch, I hadn't seen that. It could be how he left, but it conflicts somewhat with the other quote I just posted from another article about him getting a ride from another couple. I hope they find or have found the utility vehicle to at least figure out if it's linked or not.
Just wanted to point out that the wording in the affidavit could be specific and intentional. A "utility vehicle" is not necessarily a "sport utility vehicle," i.e. SUV or pickup truck.
A "utility vehicle" is often a term used for a golf cart and/or modified golf cart, such as the kind used by security employees at a business. We see them patrolling at the local super-grocery store parking lot, and in our local Wal-Mart parking lot.
Examples of "Utility Vehicle," i.e. golf cart, used for security:
http://www.eastern-golfcarts.com/Pages/SecurityVehicles.aspx
Wiki definition of "utility vehicle"
Utility vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Huh, interesting, thank you for the link. I definitely wasn't picturing an SUV type vehicle - funny how the word "sport" makes such a difference! - but hadn't thought about the golf-cart type of vehicle. I was picturing more of a heavy-duty truck, large toolboxes in back kind of thing. What you said makes complete sense though. Now I'm really curious which type of vehicle it was.
Oh oops! Sorry, I was a little behind. I swore there was a rape charge initially but maybe not. I thought the sodomy charge was there from the beginning, so I'm confused seeing that article about it being a new charge. Hmmm.
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4.) Bottom of page 6 and top of page 7 out of 44 on the affidavit: "While the search warrant was being executed Jonathan Holt continued to be interviewed by Sergeant Harrington and Detective Seymour, Jonathan Holt admitted that his iPad, Asus gaming laptop and several external (computer) drives and flash drives were in his backpack and that he has a lot of *advertiser censored* that he had been collecting on his laptop and external drives and there would be some child *advertiser censored* on them. Jonathan Holt told them it was all the stuff that he had downloaded. The interview of Jonathan Holt continued and he disclosed that he had entered Whitney and Clinton Heiche's apartment and stole an iPhone 3G from a dresser drawer. Jonathan Holt told them that he took the stolen cell phone and had a new SIM card put in it and then used it as his own."
Why is he just gushing information to LE and admitting all of these crimes outright when LE probably had no idea of these other issues outside of the murder? It's very odd that he is admitting to additional felonies that do not seem to relate directly to the murder? You really think they accused him of breaking and entering the Heichel's apartment to steal a phone and also of downloading illegal material during the interview of a murder investigation? It just doesn't make sense why he's volunteering these additional details, was he overwhelmed with guilt during the interview?
It's almost like he wanted her body to be found but he didn't expect to get tied to the murder? I simply can't understand how anyone could be this obvious and careless if they were going to take the time to attempt a cover up or cleanup at all.
IMO a hardened case is considerably less likely to confess the truth to police than an emotional and confused perp. JMOWe have different approaches, I guess, as well as different usages for the word moron. You've already tried and convicted the guy before the trial, where a lot of evidence and unexpected lines of questioning could come out. Not sure if you saw my earlier post, but even if a guy confesses to a crime, it doesn't mean he by necessity DID do it. Even if a guy confesses to doing it, the court has to prove/agree he did it by a careful examination of the evidence at trial.
Just an aside: I am more apt to lean towards believing a confession from someone who comes across as a hardened case; I'm much less apt to take without question a confession from someone who is clearly emotionally broken and confused.
His sloppy clean up of the vehicle makes me think he's just a guy. Wipe off the seats and call it good. Not to pick on guys, but most of them aren't the most meticulous cleaners. Either he sucks at cleaning and thought he did a good job. OR he just wanted the bulk of the blood off the seats so it wouldn't be so obvious to someone walking by the vehicle.
My first post, so please be gentle.
Anyone else wondering if JH might be bipolar?
Totally absolutely OT but my team just won the World Series!!! Woot Woot!!!
I just have to weigh-in on why JH chose WH to victimize. IMO, he saw WH as weak and he knew he could manipulate her. And she was close by and available. My experience as a woman is that a lot of men see a woman that smiles & is polite as weak - and, IMO, the lower the social staus of the man, the more he sees it this way.
An example of a woman that doesn't "feed the beast" (the press in this case) is Victoria Beckham. She doesn't deign to smile or show any personality. She chooses to stay stum.
Many women in WH's situation would drive into a pole rather than be taken hostage.