Orange County Law Enforcement Strategy

[Valrico Analyzer]

This is a great strategy. 99.9% of the time, LE is scrambling to put the case together before trial because of speedy trial. This time, they aren't pressured because they know defense will ask for one...and they just keep tweaking...slooowwwlllyyy releasing, analyzing their response, getting new clues, searching for her body, turning them against each other. Awesome powerplay.

I can IMAGINE the size of the eraser board QB has in the living room, adding stories, etc daily and sending subliminal messages to the chirpy lil perpy.

 

[sarah7855]

I wish I could really believe that GA was entirely truthful and 'told all' to the GJ but I just can't go that far.

LA? He has made me uneasy throughtout this whole mess. I can't believe in him either. Somehow I don't believe either of them is 'on the side of the anglels' in all this. (sigh)

(snipped)

Thank you for the compliment. I really appreciate it.

I think Lee. Why? Because GA didn't have enough info to roll over. He is def. an asset to LE..no doubt..but the perp and the quirk have kept him out of the loop. His days as Barney Fife got him far enough to realize there's something rotten in Denmark...but thats it. The little slumber party in the bedroom with the 2 of them while she was out on bond cemented that theory.

That leaves LA. He has always been for Caylee. As moronic as he looked playing Columbo, his heart was to find Caylee. I feel thats why he has withdrawn. I think when he got filled in by the supreme leader of what the deal was, he bailed on them and went to LE side. I don't think he has much to offer LE outside of being told by Abbott and Costello the truth. In other words, he didn't hang around, wear a wire, trap them, he just said "seee ya"

But I can't solve why GA lied about the chase. It doesnt make sense. At all. Even for this family.[/QUOTE]

The perp and the quirk!!! I love it! :applause::applause::applause:

VA, I've just gotta say it, your posts are great, and make a lot of sense. Keep 'em coming!

 

[Coley]

IIRC, a lot of this info isn't just from LE. It all ranges in from SA office, Clerk's office, and LE. Depending on what is requested then that comes from the appropriate office. Like yesterday with the jail house stuff, that was from the sheriffs office. A lot of the discovery from other document dumps was from the SA office once it was filed with the clerks office.

Anyone be glad to correct me, as I am not that aware of Florida's Laws.

 

[Coley]

Like yesterday's release I believe that those requests were done by the media a while back but they didn't have to grant them at that time because they needed to be reviewed by LE. I also don't think they have to grant them if they feel like the information might hinder the investigation.

 

[Valrico Analyzer]

AMENDED WITNESS GROUP

We're talking strategy here, right? Another brillant move, hiking up the # of potential witnesses...JB is going to be working overtime. LE has had these witnesses in mind for a while..this is interpreted by me as another ratchet down on the vise around the "A"'s.

Now they have these witnesses to depose, they have to analyze their existing statements, ask twerpy perpy and nurse ratchet what they know about them in relation to the case...If he works 16 hours a day straight thru to Jan 5th, he can't possibly be ready....so....heres my prediction. JB or the A team will hold a presser, declare theres more witnesses to find saying she's alive, they're on the verge, and because of that they need to push back trial.

Playing into the LE hand. Brilliant!

 

[mitzi]

I am also very impressed with the OCSO/LE/FBI strategy. Unlike other high profile cases, they are very tight-lipped. They know exactly what they have and how they're going to use it.

I believe they use the Sunshine Law exactly as JWG above descibed in post #5..but that they prioritize the info released (based on that the media, etc has requested probably just about everything they can think of) in a measured amount to solve the case.

Let me explain: Their strategy, which the "A" team doesn't realize, is to isolate and turn each other against each other because they can't crack KC. So they release things they know will cause great debate amongst the liars as they all have talked seperately..and until their statements/audio is released, they really don't know what the other said. I can imagine CA carping on GA about saying too much. Or trying to convince him he is "mistaken" in what he saw/heard/believes.

So LE releases measured doses of info, the last being the jail tapes, they discuss/bicker, they go before the camera to refute it, change the story, LE records it, and furthers their investigation.

I am certain that someone ( can't decide if it's GA or LA) has rolled over. JB knows this...but doesn't know who..so no one can see/talk to KC. Meanwhile, they have KC isolated away from them. She can't get thru to CA to find out. Hence the computer request by JB so he can bring in word docs (no internet). JB has no contact with the "A"s so he can't know either..even if he did, they are so lost in their lies they'd blame each other.

I can imagine the of the Brig screaming at JB like she's the captain of the team.

Don't fool yourselves, folks. The defense is what we called in the Marine Corps "A Charlie Foxtrot". So the LE is just playing the waiting game.

Excellent strategy. No doubt giving these clowns enough rope to hang themselves.

VA, there are just some posters here that I respect so much and enjoy reading any of their posts, because they seem so "right on". You have become one of those posters to me. Thank you for the explanations and for making it easy for others like me to be able to understand better. :blowkiss:

 

[BeanE]

LE, SA, etc., don't just decide on their own to release info to the media, correct? Regardless of what's released (or not) to the defense, nothing goes to the media unless the media requests it first through a formal request procedure?

I'm not referring to leaks, but to official info releases.

TIA

 

[Gaia713]

local media requests it and they have to release it according to florida law...I forget what it is called

Sunshine Law

 

[Pattymarie]

I am also very impressed with the OCSO/LE/FBI strategy. Unlike other high profile cases, they are very tight-lipped. They know exactly what they have and how they're going to use it.

I believe they use the Sunshine Law exactly as JWG above descibed in post #5..but that they prioritize the info released (based on that the media, etc has requested probably just about everything they can think of) in a measured amount to solve the case.

Let me explain: Their strategy, which the "A" team doesn't realize, is to isolate and turn each other against each other because they can't crack KC. So they release things they know will cause great debate amongst the liars as they all have talked seperately..and until their statements/audio is released, they really don't know what the other said. I can imagine CA carping on GA about saying too much. Or trying to convince him he is "mistaken" in what he saw/heard/believes.

So LE releases measured doses of info, the last being the jail tapes, they discuss/bicker, they go before the camera to refute it, change the story, LE records it, and furthers their investigation.

I am certain that someone ( can't decide if it's GA or LA) has rolled over. JB knows this...but doesn't know who..so no one can see/talk to KC. Meanwhile, they have KC isolated away from them. She can't get thru to CA to find out. Hence the computer request by JB so he can bring in word docs (no internet). JB has no contact with the "A"s so he can't know either..even if he did, they are so lost in their lies they'd blame each other.

I can imagine the of the Brig screaming at JB like she's the captain of the team.

Don't fool yourselves, folks. The defense is what we called in the Marine Corps "A Charlie Foxtrot". So the LE is just playing the waiting game.

Excellent strategy. No doubt giving these clowns enough rope to hang themselves.

What a great post, very informative (and reassuring). OK, I will bite...explain the "Charlie Foxtrot" to me!

 

[Macushla]

What a great post, very informative (and reassuring). OK, I will bite...explain the "Charlie Foxtrot" to me!

I was a military wife for a long time and "charlie Foxtrot" had to be one of my favorite (out of earshot of our son, of course) expressions. Charlies Foxtrot is code for the letters C and F and it means 'cluster *advertiser censored**"

My other favorite expression comes from a military psychologist and is a term used for people who are really, really messed up, mentally "FUBAR" - I will let you try to figure that one out. In fact, it describes the Anthony family quite well.

 

[Pattymarie]

So how does taking the death penalty fit into the "strategy?"

 

[CarolineJ]

I think after this case is over, the law is going to undergo some changes. It is obvious that it is a problem for too much information to be released and it should be addressed legally. While they can hold back information to be used for trial and for investigative purposes, the bulk of the releases are filled with things which COULD come up later for use in those areas. They are going to have to look at the overall picture and tweak the law accordingly, imo.

OCSO's strategy is very simple. Follow the facts and listen to their gut instincts instead of this family. They knew early on they were getting nothing from Casey or the A fam which would lead them to Caylee or to her location. They have worked tirelessly in an effort to stick to only the facts which do not lie such as forensics, witnesses, and the evidence. They have done an excellent job!! Bravo!! Justice for Caylee!

I seriously doubt that the law will be changed. The sunshine laws have been in effect for 35 or so years. When I lived in Florida back in the 60's and 70's and Claude Kirk was the governor, the sunshine laws were being talked about and formulated. The people were very much in favor of government in the sunshine, very few secrets allowed. And this law has stood them well for many years. Law enforcement and governing agencies know from the gitgo that they have to work within the confines of the law and they have managed to do this. I feel certain that there are things about this case that are essential to the investigation at this point and those things have not been released. For instance, Annie Dowling's interview(s). One of the exceptions to the law must apply in this case.

 

[Valrico Analyzer]

So how does taking the death penalty fit into the "strategy?"

I think several things...
1. LE feels this may bring LA and GA into opening up about what they know because they (and probably everyone on this planet) do not want to be responsible for sending their family member to death row based on what they testified.
2. The other items in my post, (in death penalty thread) in order of significance/bearing on case: The recovering of her body is emotionally charging to the jury...they may feel justified sending her to life in prison without a body, but to send her to her death without one...cost to state in a DP case to pay expert witnesses, automatic appeal, etc on behalf of defense..and I also think this can be a precursor to a deal...if she sees them back off a bit a plea may be more enticing..remember..a narriscists greatest fear is death.

 

[butwhatif?]

Regarding ' leaks'.... I understand that the documents that have been released to date are because of the sunshine law- not leaks.
But the information from these documents were discussed on shows like nancy grace prior to their release (repeatedly). Its how we knew about the chloroform and pc searches and all the rest, before we saw the reports for ourselves (and ive been reading them all as they come in)
This means that someone from LE or the state, told someone, who told LP who in turn told nancy (or something along those lines).
How is that not a leak from the state? Just because they didnt go on camera themselves to make the announcement, doesnt make it any less of a leak from their side - its just an underhanded one, imo.

 

[newsjunkie]

Sorry OT: Karate Dad, you made my day. Can't. . . .stop. . . .laughing!

 

[Thinaire]

I am also very impressed with the OCSO/LE/FBI strategy. Unlike other high profile cases, they are very tight-lipped. They know exactly what they have and how they're going to use it.

I believe they use the Sunshine Law exactly as JWG above descibed in post #5..but that they prioritize the info released (based on that the media, etc has requested probably just about everything they can think of) in a measured amount to solve the case.

Let me explain: Their strategy, which the "A" team doesn't realize, is to isolate and turn each other against each other because they can't crack KC. So they release things they know will cause great debate amongst the liars as they all have talked seperately..and until their statements/audio is released, they really don't know what the other said. I can imagine CA carping on GA about saying too much. Or trying to convince him he is "mistaken" in what he saw/heard/believes.

So LE releases measured doses of info, the last being the jail tapes, they discuss/bicker, they go before the camera to refute it, change the story, LE records it, and furthers their investigation.

I am certain that someone ( can't decide if it's GA or LA) has rolled over. JB knows this...but doesn't know who..so no one can see/talk to KC. Meanwhile, they have KC isolated away from them. She can't get thru to CA to find out. Hence the computer request by JB so he can bring in word docs (no internet). JB has no contact with the "A"s so he can't know either..even if he did, they are so lost in their lies they'd blame each other.

I can imagine the of the Brig screaming at JB like she's the captain of the team.

Don't fool yourselves, folks. The defense is what we called in the Marine Corps "A Charlie Foxtrot". So the LE is just playing the waiting game.

Excellent strategy. No doubt giving these clowns enough rope to hang themselves.

:clap::clap::clap::clap: My hope is that you are CORRECT...LE has been very quiet...and IMOO I think doing a great job.

By the way...do you ever listen to Gunnie Bob on 850 KOA out of Denver? Love him!

 

[cocoamom]

Karate Dad,
You are killing me with your pictures. Cindy in the suitcase, however, takes the cake! I want to say Thank You clap::clap::clap::clap for the humor you inject into this depressing, pathetic soap opera starring the Ants. You rock, pal!

I call it the "Anthony-ville Horror"!!!!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[TxLady2]

Regarding ' leaks'.... I understand that the documents that have been released to date are because of the sunshine law- not leaks.
But the information from these documents were discussed on shows like nancy grace prior to their release (repeatedly). Its how we knew about the chloroform and pc searches and all the rest, before we saw the reports for ourselves (and ive been reading them all as they come in)
This means that someone from LE or the state, told someone, who told LP who in turn told nancy (or something along those lines).
How is that not a leak from the state? Just because they didnt go on camera themselves to make the announcement, doesnt make it any less of a leak from their side - its just an underhanded one, imo.

EXACTLY!! And.... to be honest... NG does not deal in just facts, she likes to emphasize things that have no real bearing on the case, but yet people take her words to be gospel. She likes to dwell on the emotional impact... not so much real evidence but emotions and human reactions.. which are NOT proof of guilt OR innocence. Judges deal with facts and evidence... juries are supposed to decide using facts and evidence... yet NG wants to talk about whether Casey actually cried or not, or what she orders from the commissary. How petty and insignificant is that?
I heard her say something last night that stunned me... she mentioned something about the chloroform death of Caylee. There has been NO evidence regarding the cause of death... that cannot be determined without a body... and nothing in these documents supports that this is FACT. She also claims that there was significant amounts of chloroform in the trunk... all the documents say there was a trace amount found... and she is the only person in the media that says that.
I could go on and on, but IMO, this sort of biased reporting does NOT help the case at all... and in fact, it only makes it difficult to obtain a fair and impartial jury.

 

[passionflower]

I think LE has sooo much more to tell! GJ was convinced! LE will get this all straight and JB is doomed, IMO. The ants are #1 at lying and spinning. Blessings to Yuri and team!!!

 

[passionflower]

EXACTLY!! And.... to be honest... NG does not deal in just facts, she likes to emphasize things that have no real bearing on the case, but yet people take her words to be gospel. She likes to dwell on the emotional impact... not so much real evidence but emotions and human reactions.. which are NOT proof of guilt OR innocence. Judges deal with facts and evidence... juries are supposed to decide using facts and evidence... yet NG wants to talk about whether Casey actually cried or not, or what she orders from the commissary. How petty and insignificant is that?
I heard her say something last night that stunned me... she mentioned something about the chloroform death of Caylee. There has been NO evidence regarding the cause of death... that cannot be determined without a body... and nothing in these documents supports that this is FACT. She also claims that there was significant amounts of chloroform in the trunk... all the documents say there was a trace amount found... and she is the only person in the media that says that.
I could go on and on, but IMO, this sort of biased reporting does NOT help the case at all... and in fact, it only makes it difficult to obtain a fair and impartial jury.

It's mostly the ratings game with the show........BUT, we don't know what her team of investigators know from LE also.........they really read all those pages and talk to so many close to the case...........hair could show poison and drugs. IMO