Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #64 ~ the appeal~

[Interested Bystander]

...........what proof ? .......the thing about this case is that there's no proof about anything.... anywhere ......whatsoever.....

I beg to differ. There is proof. OP shot four killer bullets into the door of the toilet cubicle that killed Reeva. He has admitted it. To prove his lies is an impossibility because his story is fabricated.

 

[soozieqtips]

...........what proof ? .......the thing about this case is that there's no proof about anything.... anywhere ......whatsoever.....

Oh really? There's no proof that the gun which magically discharged itself (according to the killer) cannot possibly go off unless someone pulls the trigger???? My post mentioned the Tasha's incident and his 'deny deny deny' routine. So your claim that there is 'no proof about anything anywhere... whatsoever' is false.

 

[Mr Fossil]

Can you please post your link? TIA

Here you go (includes links to other docs too):

http://ewn.co.za/Features/behindthedoor#transcripts

 

[Viper]

BIB - I'm no expert either, but I'm pretty sure you can't access/read a hard drive without a computer. But you have to laugh at this:


So she has no knowledge of the 'specifics' of the search - but she does know OP wouldn't do anything against the regulations? Does she know that because he's always been such a well-behaved law-abiding citizen in the past?

Apparently it is possible to use an external hard drive with a cellphone, I just saw it on a techie site as a way to access large amounts of data "when you are in a remote location," LOL!

OP must have been in a rage when he learned that the guards took his stuff :tantrum: because that's how he rolls.

I'm guessing he was 1. Writing a book 2. Playing video games or (most likely) 3. Using it for internet communications to keep others from reading them from the prison computer that he used.

 

[Colin de France]

I beg to differ. There is proof. OP shot four killer bullets into the door of the toilet cubicle that killed Reeva. He has admitted it. To prove his lies is an impossibility because his story is fabricated.

........there's no proof that he knew Reeva was in the WC....there's possibly evidence but not proof.....that's the difference.....

 

[Colin de France]

Oh really? There's no proof that the gun which magically discharged itself (according to the killer) cannot possibly go off unless someone pulls the trigger???? My post mentioned the Tasha's incident and his 'deny deny deny' routine. So your claim that there is 'no proof about anything anywhere... whatsoever' is false.

.......there's evidence but there isn't any proof of anything and that's a fact ......i wish there was proof, the case would be sorted.......but no....

 

[soozieqtips]

.......there's evidence but there isn't any proof of anything and that's a fact ......i wish there was proof, the case would be sorted.......but no....

You're saying there's no proof that the gun he fired at Tasha's can't go off by itself?????

 

[G.bng]

I have never held or shot a gun, ever, but I know full well that a bullet can richochet. Are some forum members really saying that OP was an idiot who passed stringent gunholder licence tests but was not aware of this? It beggars belief? :gaah:

Well for sure it's not my belief but then the question for the appeal court is not whether OP knew of the existence of the ricochet effect rather whether he foresaw the possibility of one at the time of the event and acted accordingly, which, truth or lie, he claimed he didn't not least because according to him he never considered firing a warning shot at all whether into the shower, down the passage or out of the window, but merely shot out of fright when he heard a noise. So whether the appeal court can simply assume OP did consider a ricochet and act accordingly for a finding of DE or whether it will come under subconscious acts like those we make all the time when driving without memory at all will be interesting.

 

[akp]

........there's no proof that he knew Reeva was in the WC....there's possibly evidence but not proof.....that's the difference.....

.......there's evidence but there isn't any proof of anything and that's a fact ......i wish there was proof, the case would be sorted.......but no....

The problem with this is that you have never bothered to elaborate what to you constitute a proof. Could you explain with an example? (Asked you the same question in the previous thread, there was no reply). Unless you elaborate your notion of proof, this discussion is not really going to get anywhere.

 

[Colin de France]

You're saying there's no proof that the gun he fired at Tasha's can't go off by itself?????

........so many question marks..! ....i was referring to Reevas killing....mixing up the restaurant and the shooting into the WC won't change the fact that there's no proof of anything in any direction regarding Reevas death...

 

[Colin de France]

The problem with this is that you have never bothered to elaborate what to you constitute a proof. Could you explain with an example? (Asked you the same question in the previous thread, there was no reply). Unless you elaborate your notion of proof, this discussion is not really going to get anywhere.

.....i'm sorry if i missed it, i think proof is equal to fact or very strong evidence or beyond normal doubt.....and that we don't have regarding the intention to murder nor for the intruder.....there really is nothing.....

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Apparently it is possible to use an external hard drive with a cellphone, I just saw it on a techie site as a way to access large amounts of data "when you are in a remote location," LOL!

OP must have been in a rage when he learned that the guards took his stuff :tantrum: because that's how he rolls.

I'm guessing he was 1. Writing a book 2. Playing video games or (most likely) 3. Using it for internet communications to keep others from reading them from the prison computer that he used.

bbm
"You can't just touch another man's hard drive!" - or similarly?


Btw let me guess who had fitted him out with technical equipment? Certainly his Hulk.

 

[akp]

.....i'm sorry if i missed it, i think proof is equal to fact or very strong evidence.....and fact we don't have regarding the intention to murder nor for the intruder.....

That hardly helps.

It appears to me that your notion of proof is completely different from most others here. Unless you clarify with an example what you consider as a proof, this discussion (others trying to convince you with proofs and you discarding them) is really pointless.

 

[JudgeJudi]

RSBM

there is no evidence to support murder and if anything there is more to support shooting at the door with the idea of entering the WC......the state really have nothing to work with ....

Transcript p.530

Nel: But let us just use the door. Now for them to get out the door, they have to use the handle?
OP: Yes, of course, My Lady.

Nel: And you could see the handle in the bathroom?
OP: Yes, it was not clear. It was dark, but I could see the outline. I guess I did not focus on the handle of the door. I was focussed on the door as a whole.

Nel: But on the position of the shots, did you not fire at the handle?
OP: I think you can see that that is not the case, My Lady.

Blind Freddy* can see that he wasn't trying to "enter the WC".

* Australian expression for an imaginary person supposed to have little or no perception

 

[Viper]

Selectively snipped by me to read: this discussion is really pointless.

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[Colin de France]

That hardly helps.

It appears to me that your notion of proof is completely different from most others here. Unless you clarify with an example what you consider as a proof, this discussion (others trying to convince you with proofs and you discarding them) is really pointless.

.......you've asked me what i consider to be proof, i've replied.......all i can see regarding this case is very poor evidence which can go one way or the other and no tangible proof anywhere in sight.......it's not a case of being biased it's obvious........just saying he must be guilty of murder is not enough it has to be backed up....and it's not........no one for the moment has tried to convince me with proof simply because there isn't any ........and that's blatantly obvious...

 

[Colin de France]

RSBM


Transcript p.530

Nel: But let us just use the door. Now for them to get out the door, they have to use the handle?
OP: Yes, of course, My Lady.

Nel: And you could see the handle in the bathroom?
OP: Yes, it was not clear. It was dark, but I could see the outline. I guess I did not focus on the handle of the door. I was focussed on the door as a whole.

Nel: But on the position of the shots, did you not fire at the handle?
OP: I think you can see that that is not the case, My Lady.

Blind Freddy* can see that he wasn't trying to "enter the WC".

* Australian expression for an imaginary person supposed to have little or no perception

....be completely objective...how is that proof that he intended to murder her ? ......this was after hitting the door with the bat, he would of known her position, if he wanted to be sure of killing her he would of shot differently, more spread out......

 

[JudgeJudi]

Apparently it is possible to use an external hard drive with a cellphone, I just saw it on a techie site as a way to access large amounts of data "when you are in a remote location," LOL!

OP must have been in a rage when he learned that the guards took his stuff :tantrum: because that's how he rolls.

I'm guessing he was 1. Writing a book 2. Playing video games or (most likely) 3. Using it for internet communications to keep others from reading them from the prison computer that he used.

or 4. Watching his favourite *advertiser censored* site :blushing:

 

[akp]

.......you've asked me what i consider to be proof, i've replied.......

You have replied to the post, yes, but you have not addressed the point I raised. Why can you not give an example of a situation where you consider you have a proof. Then people will be clear whether to bother to present you with a proof at all.

And by the way, just like you believe there is no proof, there are many others who have followed the entire trial very closely and believe that there can rarely be a more open-and-shut case than this. It took Masipa to ignore most of prosecution evidence, put forward a mixture of defenses on Oscar's bahalf, and finally that piece of incoherent garbage that she wrote as her judgement in order to save OP from DD or DE. If a law student wrote that, he/she would probably fail to get a degree.

 

[Colin de France]

You have replied to the post, yes, but you have not addressed the point I raised. Why can you not give an example of a situation where you consider you have a proof. Then people will be clear whether to bother to present you with a proof at all.

And by the way, just like you believe there is no proof, there are many others who have followed the entire trial very closely and believe that there can rarely be a more open-and-shut case than this. It took Masipa to ignore most of prosecution evidence, put forward a mixture of defenses on Oscar's bahalf, and finally that piece of incoherent garbage that she wrote as her judgement. If a law student wrote that, he/she would probably fail to get a degree.

.......i agree there are many who believe this to be an open and shut case....i don't.......if you need to know what constitutes proof in a murder case i suggest you look for yourself i don't think i will be able to satisfy you.....what's happening is that people are mixing up their own personal feelings of hatred for him which is understandable and cold fact......i'm not bothered personally if he's guilty or not what concerns me is getting to the truth, that's what interests me, that's why i'm here........ for the time being there are two sides and neither one has the advantage over the other as far as proof is concerned....that's why i want to look further......i can't be more fairer than that ....;