Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #64 ~ the appeal~

[katydid23]

Oscar's cell raided in Krejcir mob drama

Oscar Pistorius has been drawn into a top-level police probe into mobster Radovan Krejcir's prison-cell dealings with the criminal underworld.

On June 25, at 4.30am, prison officials stormed the cells of Pistorius, Krejcir and two of his co-accused in a murder case. They confiscated six memory sticks, a memory card, three sim cards, an iPhone and four other cellphones. A hard drive with unspecified content was taken from Pistorius's cell in the hospital wing of the prison. Although nothing incriminating has yet been found on the hard drive, the development is potentially bad news for Pistorius, whose parole will be reconsidered next month.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/stnews/2015/08/30/Oscars-cell-raided-in-Krejcir-mob-drama

So they have cell phones, computers and live in the hospital wing? :facepalm:

 

[akp]

.......i agree there are many who believe this to be an open and shut case....i don't.......if you need to know what constitutes proof in a murder case i suggest you look for yourself i don't think i will be able to satisfy you.....what's happening is that people are mixing up their own personal feelings of hatred for him which is understandable and cold fact......i'm not bothered personally if he's guilty or not what concerns me is getting to the truth, that's what interests me, that's why i'm here........ for the time being there are two sides and neither one has the advantage over the other as far as proof is concerned....that's why i want to look further......i can't be more fairer than that ....;

I have a fairly good idea as to what constitutes a proof, as have everyone here. What I have asked you is, what is your notion of a proof. However hard I try to `look for it myself', as you put it, it is impossible for one to know it unless you disclose it!
Anyway, I have no wish to continue this any further. Wish you all the best in your endeavour to find the Truth.

 

[Interested Bystander]

You're saying there's no proof that the gun he fired at Tasha's can't go off by itself?????

He pleaded guilty to that too - LOL.

Then there were the two shots through the roof of the car. Masipa really got it wrong there, IMO. People's recollections do vary. We all do not remember the same points in a specific situation. A lot depends on what registers/upsets one at the time. I think Samantha and Darren Fresco were telling the truth but the incident was 18 months before the trial and I doubt whether either thought about it enough at the time for it to gel as a memory because it was "typical" OP behaviour.

 

[Colin de France]

I have a fairly good idea as to what constitutes a proof, as have everyone here. What I have asked you is, what is your notion of a proof. However hard I try to `look for it myself', as you put it, it is impossible for one to know it unless you disclose it!
Anyway, I have no wish to continue this any further. Wish you all the best in your endeavour to find the Truth.

........but i've already told you what i consider my notion of proof to be in post 371........" i think proof is equal to fact or very strong evidence or beyond normal doubt".......!

 

[Viper]

So they have cell phones, computers and live in the hospital wing? :facepalm:

Yes, they do! Hard drives and thumb drives too! Not to mention custom built in-cell showers, comfy mattresses, and the latest gym equipment just outside in the hall. Though he declined it the prison officials had offered to build OP a custom in-cell gourmet kitchen; it probably would have had granite countertops and a Wolf gas cooktop, shame. Oh, and just so that the prisoners don't feel like they are actually prisoners they are permitted to make their own wardrobe choices, I think OP wears Armani but I'm not sure which designer his co-prisoners prefer. Any word on whether or not chics are allowed in for the Friday Disco Night events in the infirmary?

 

[soozieqtips]

.......i agree there are many who believe this to be an open and shut case....i don't.......if you need to know what constitutes proof in a murder case i suggest you look for yourself i don't think i will be able to satisfy you.....what's happening is that people are mixing up their own personal feelings of hatred for him which is understandable and cold fact......i'm not bothered personally if he's guilty or not what concerns me is getting to the truth, that's what interests me, that's why i'm here........ for the time being there are two sides and neither one has the advantage over the other as far as proof is concerned....that's why i want to look further......i can't be more fairer than that ....;

BIB - So, what 'proof' existed for you when you posted this:

....he never panicked.....he fired with precision......in the dark...

or this...

........not more than her screams........which actually nail the case....

or this...

....which brings into question Masipa's judgement..........again...! ...how could anyone of got it so wrong ....

or this...

......."Pistorius says it was his screams between the shots"......! ....far too hard to believe (the expert in guns screaming like a woman !).....there's also something about the "peered round the corner" which also doesn't fit........knowing there was little light....even more strange when put into context with the panic attack just afterwards...... on hearing the door closing that would of been the moment to ask if it was Reeva...it's just too far fetched..

or this...

.....you're forgetting the bouncing bullets .....seriously though you should of realised by now that his version flew in from fantasy land ......somewhere in between Mickey Mouse and the Wizard of Oz..........

or this...

.....really....do you honestly believe that ? .........do you really believe Pistorius screams like a woman......how far must you go to deny reality.......why and how can anyone mistake a womans scream for a man shouting or Pistorius attempting to imitate Reevas screams afterwards with the idea of blocking any idea that she screamed before being shot is nothing but a joke.......somewhere or other this feels too much and i would even go as far as to say it's being disrespectful to the neighbours who were sincere and had no doubts on what they heard and where the screams came from..........and yes i do know that it's the most disturbing aspect for the naive who believe in his innocence........

Your opinion of what happened that night has changed a lot. That's fine and it's your prerogative. However, why keep asking people to provide 'proof' when you've seemingly ignored your own 'proof'? Or your own as it was just a few weeks ago when you appeared to think OP was guilty and accused others of being naive if they believed in his innocence?

Now you accuse people who think he's guilty of mixing up their own 'personal feelings of hatred' for him? A bit hypocritical, I think, considering a) you must have been one of those same people you're now accusing of 'personal hatred' for OP, and b) you must now be one of those same people you accused of being naive for believing in his innocence?

 

[Colin de France]

BIB - So, what 'proof' existed for you when you posted this:



or this...


or this...


or this...


or this...


or this...


Your opinion of what happened that night has changed a lot. That's fine and it's your prerogative. However, why keep asking people to provide 'proof' when you've seemingly ignored your own 'proof'? Or your own as it was just a few weeks ago when you appeared to think OP was guilty and accused others of being naive if they believed in his innocence?

Now you accuse people who think he's guilty of mixing up their own 'personal feelings of hatred' for him? A bit hypocritical, I think, considering a) you must have been one of those same people you're now accusing of 'personal hatred' for OP, and b) you must now be one of those same people you accused of being naive for believing in his innocence?

......exactly, i have never denied that my position has changed.......it was thanks to the team of three in particular Aftermath and the discussion about the bat/screams/shots that made me realise that the intention was the door and not Reeva and that he shot at the door on purpose to get into the WC........and as you're digging around in the archives you may also see that i stated at the beginning that i was unsure of the first shot.......if there is any new information or evidence i may well change my opinion again.......i'm not going to be tied down....

 

[soozieqtips]

Anyone think OP will become a "billy no friends" when eventually he gets back to Uncle Arnold's. I cannot imagine many will want to be around him after the trial. Family will always support him though I feel sure they know what is the truth. From what I have read any friends who visit him have to be vetted first.

Only one person missing from the group - the housekeeper Frank who mysteriously has disappeared though I did read somewhere that Uncle Arnold was "looking after him". I bet he is! I would like his conscience to get the better of him and spill the beans. I wonder how somebody lives with that on their mind. He obviously heard something as he was first outside the front door, fully dressed at 03.20'ish. There, even before Stander arrived!

I don't think Frank's conscience will ever get the better of him, as to grass on OP now would probably be more than his life was worth. Did he ever even tell the police how he ended up dressed and outside so soon after the killing if he hadn't heard anything? Another of those little mysteries, like CP deleting the contents of his brother's phone, and Aimee taking it upon herself to remove evidence from a crime scene.

I'm sure OP will get some hangers on to be his 'friends'. Beyond that, unless he's lucky enough to meet people with no conscience, no compassion, and a blatant disregard for life - I can't see him having much in common with anyone.

 

[Colin de France]

housekeeper Frank who mysteriously has disappeared though I did read somewhere that Uncle Arnold was "looking after him". I bet he is!

......serious statement........can you please post a link i'd like to know where this came from...........

 

[cottonweaver]

Only one person missing from the group - the housekeeper Frank who mysteriously has disappeared though I did read somewhere that Uncle Arnold was "looking after him". I bet he is!

RSBM I'm still surprised that an enterprising member of the press have not found him.That's a scoop worth a lot of money to say SKY news etc. and equally to Frank.
So Bystander, Frank is effectively under lock and key somewhere ? The pay-off for Frank would have to be big, even though Frank would be used to a paltry income.
I also agree with Soozie below. ie If Frank has no conscience as £ could silence him in 2013, have they got come other hold on him? Because the media could make a more tempting offer even than Arnold.
I know I am drivelling on a bit here but you get my drift- wonder if he's out there working on one of the family properties, not necessarily back in Malawi.

Juror 13, if you're out there - don't you fancy a special assignment when you head to SA in November to cover the Appeal ?!!

 

[Interested Bystander]

I don't think Frank's conscience will ever get the better of him, as to grass on OP now would probably be more than his life was worth. Did he ever even tell the police how he ended up dressed and outside so soon after the killing if he hadn't heard anything? Another of those little mysteries, like CP deleting the contents of his brother's phone, and Aimee taking it upon herself to remove evidence from a crime scene.

I'm sure OP will get some hangers on to be his 'friends'. Beyond that, unless he's lucky enough to meet people with no conscience, no compassion, and a blatant disregard for life - I can't see him having much in common with anyone.

Seems as though the P family find it quite easy to break the law. Almost as though they feel entitled. I cannot help feeling that the book would have been thrown at them, regardless, if this trial had been in the UK.

 

[Viper]

I don't think Frank's conscience will ever get the better of him, as to grass on OP now would probably be more than his life was worth. Did he ever even tell the police how he ended up dressed and outside so soon after the killing if he hadn't heard anything? Another of those little mysteries, like CP deleting the contents of his brother's phone, and Aimee taking it upon herself to remove evidence from a crime scene.I'm sure OP will get some hangers on to be his 'friends'. Beyond that, unless he's lucky enough to meet people with no conscience, no compassion, and a blatant disregard for life - I can't see him having much in common with anyone.

Well I remember what happened the last time he went out in public and tried to hang out with the elites, the hot girls shunned him and an incrowd dude punched him. OP is a pariah amoung those that he longs to associate with.

But if he ever makes it to house arrest, and I doubt that he ever will, he won't be allowed to leave to go out partying (GPS monitor on his wrist) and he will be drug and alcohol tested. Just contact with immediate family and the minions that follow him and CP, eew!

 

[Interested Bystander]

......serious statement........can you please post a link i'd like to know where this came from...........

It was in one of the newspapers at the time but I have no idea which one and I don't intend to waste time trying to find it. I won't have been the only one on here to have read it.

 

[Colin de France]

It was in one of the newspapers at the time but I have no idea which one and I don't intend to waste time trying to find it. I won't have been the only one on here to have read it.

......i don't see how you can possibly make a statement as serious as that without being able to back it up with something.........

 

[cottonweaver]

Apparently it is possible to use an external hard drive with a cellphone, I just saw it on a techie site as a way to access large amounts of data "when you are in a remote location," LOL!

OP must have been in a rage when he learned that the guards took his stuff :tantrum: because that's how he rolls.

I'm guessing he was 1. Writing a book 2. Playing video games or (most likely) 3. Using it for internet communications to keep others from reading them from the prison computer that he used.

Well sleuthed.
Now that is interesting. I was wondering how he used it and what was on it.
BIB - it makes sense. As according to the guards ( last newspaper article*) he was (pre Aug 21) quite happy and comfortable in there but spent a great deal of time alone.
If the no. of books are restricted as in other jails he would need sthng to occupy - eg games.
Plus being such a phone addict it really makes sense that he it using as your point 3 above.
(And Carl is tech savvy - maybe he has assisted?)

It's not like he needs it for ANY Appeal and whilst he might think he has the nous to assist his legal team, there's nothing he can really add. ( Plus surely he is allowed paper copies of legal stuff when he meets his lawyers etc. )
Autobiog - I am pretty sure last year that we researched that he was not allowed to make profits from writing about the crime, but I suppose he could be writing something but somehow I doubt it- this case isn't over so timing isn't right.

*The guards in the article didn't seem to have any particular axe to grind, just making a little cash! ie. there was nothing sensational in the report at all, nothing even derogatory to Op etc so yes I am inclined to believe their comments. )

 

[cottonweaver]

......i don't see how you can possibly make a statement as serious as that without being able to back it up with something.........

My only comment is - Have you ever posted a link, ever? Because I don't recollect it.
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[Colin de France]

My only comment is - Have you ever posted a link, ever? Because I don't recollect it.
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...........that statement has to be backed up with a link..........it's only normal.....that is a serious accusation.......

 

[cottonweaver]

...........that statement has to be backed up with a link..........it's only normal, at the very least to protect the poster ....

but i read it too at the time, and i had to go hunting for the info too as people on here inevitably have to do, at some point at any rate.
If it was something "brand new" to me, I would be checking it out for myself, but it isn't.

 

[Viper]

......serious statement........can you please post a link i'd like to know where this came from...........

I read the same long ago. It's an obscure subject but it is possible that you could find information, try Google.

Here is one link for Frank:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClassicInPics/media/grid?idx=19

 

[Colin de France]

but i read it too at the time, and i had to go hunting for the info too as people on here inevitably have to do, at some point at any rate.
If it was something "brand new" to me, I would be checking it out for myself, but it isn't.

......that has to be backed up, that is serious and not to be taken lightly.....can you imagine what that would mean if it was true .......