Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #64 ~ the appeal~

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Viper said:
Yes we know your opinion on the matter Colin, you have expressed it many many many many times today. Thanks.

BTW during any of this did you once take it upon yourself to do your own research, I mean since you wanted the link(s) so badly? I only ask because I didn't see you post any links.
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........i'm wasting my time, there is no link.......i've given up asking..........
 
Thanks again To Fossil for the link to Oscar's nonsense and the rest of the transcripts- I've been having to watch the old broadcasts previously.

anyway
Those guards that said he was comfortable in prison these days certainly never mentioned any night terrors

"Do you have a difficulty in sleeping? --- I do, My Lady. …[Pause]… I
am scared to sleep… for several reasons, but I have… I have terrible
nightmares about things that happened that night, where I wake up and I
smell… I can smell… I can smell blood and I wake up to be terrified.
…[Witness emotional]… If I hear a noise I wake up, just in a… in a complete
state of terror, to a point that I would rather not sleep, then I fall asleep and
wake up like that. So, for… for many weeks I did not sleep and I… in March,
April last year I had lost a significant amount of weight and was in the care of
my family. I sought medical advice to start medication for sleeping.
You told me finding… getting into your cupboard. Can you tell the
court about that? --- …[Pause]… I cannot remember if it was towards the end
of last year or the beginning of this year, I woke up in a panic and I… I am… I
am blessed that my sister stays on the same property as I do, so I can phone
her in the middle of the night, which I often do to come and sit by me, and on
that particular night… I do not obviously ever want to handle a firearm again or
be around a firearm, so I have got a security guard that stands outside of my
front door at night. But I woke up and I was terrified and I… I for some reason
could not calm myself down, so I climbed into the cupboard and I phoned my
sister to come and sit by me for a while which she did… My Lady"
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:violin::puke:

I know we are all very familiar with these extracts, but the BS still has capacity to appall me, all over again.
 
I'd like to know how it was possible Frank did 'not hear a thing' when there was screaming, crying, cricket bat smashing on doors and gunshots going off in the same house. Either he has some amazing noise-cancelling headphones or he badly needs a hearing test.
 
soozieqtips said:
Well done IB. Even though your link was rudely dismissed by another poster... I'm glad you found it as I knew I'd also read it but couldn't remember where!
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I have just wasted a whole evening to satisfy somebody who is not prepared to do any researching him/herself. Never does. I have also tracked down the comment "looked after" but if YKW wants to read the post he/she can find it him/herself. It is my opinion and only my opinion that the Pistorius family will still be looking after Frank. Perhaps we can ask Lisa to dig around (as somebody else suggested) as to what poor Frank is doing now.
 
soozieqtips said:
I'd like to know how it was possible Frank did 'not hear a thing' when there was screaming, crying, cricket bat smashing on doors and gunshots going off in the same house. Either he has some amazing noise-cancelling headphones or he badly needs a hearing test.
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As per the comments inside the link IB has provided, why didn't State call him just to let Nel have a go, rattle him under examination and let FC perjure himself on the stand.
If he claims he slept through everything, why on earth did he wake up later? Who woke him? Oldwadge?!

BTW IB, the link was worth it.
The author covered the OP trial and publishes some interesting stuff.
 
cottonweaver said:
As per the comments inside the link IB has provided, why didn't State call him just to let Nel have a go, rattle him under examination and let FC perjure himself on the stand.
If he claims he slept through everything, why on earth did he wake up later? Who woke him? Oldwadge?!

BTW IB, the link was worth it.
The author covered the OP trial and publishes some interesting stuff.
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BIB - I honestly don't know. Was it something to do with the defence agreeing not to call Botha if Frank wasn't called? Or was not calling Botha linked to not charging CP for tampering with evidence? So much skullduggery going on, it's hard to remember!
 
On OP's mobster 'friend':

Krejcir was found guilty last week of kidnapping, attempted murder and attempted drug dealing by the high court in Johannesburg

I guess birds of a feather flock together.
 
soozieqtips said:
On OP's mobster 'friend':

Krejcir was found guilty last week of kidnapping, attempted murder and attempted drug dealing by the high court in Johannesburg

I guess birds of a feather flock together.
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Well at least he didn't murder his girlfriend so 10 months is probably too long, maybe 45-55 days?
 
soozieqtips said:
BIB - I honestly don't know. Was it something to do with the defence agreeing not to call Botha if Frank wasn't called? Or was not calling Botha linked to not charging CP for tampering with evidence? So much skullduggery going on, it's hard to remember!
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AFAIK from re-reading some J13 last week, Botha was "exchanged" for Carl' s tampering with Op's mobile.

But I agree, too many deals going on
 
cottonweaver said:
As per the comments inside the link IB has provided, why didn't State call him just to let Nel have a go, rattle him under examination and let FC perjure himself on the stand.
If he claims he slept through everything, why on earth did he wake up later? Who woke him? Oldwadge?!
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The State probably couldn't afford to take the risk. Never a good idea to call a witness unless you are confident that what they say will tally with your case.
Frank could have said anything: for instance, he could have said he thought he heard intruders outside! ;) Too unpredictable.
 
soozieqtips said:
And with time off for good behaviour he should have been out before he went in.
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I'm picturing a brightly colored turnstile at the prison entrance with him going in and immediately exiting. LOL!

I've read that he and OP grew quite close and that they miss each other, kind of sad. I wonder if they will stay in touch?
 
cottonweaver said:
AFAIK from re-reading some J13 last week, Botha was "exchanged" for Carl' s tampering with Op's mobile.

But I agree, too many deals going on
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My theory on Botha is this...

Forget that he staged the crime scene to frame a famous person. Why would he do that and how would he know how to do it using duvet's etc?

If anything, its likely to be the other way round. A corrupt cop might allow the crime scene to be tampered with / evidence removed. Did he allow the phone to walk in return for the watch?

The reason for Botha not to be called is obvious if you look at other cases - e.g. with corruption at the London Met.

Dodgy officers may deliberately compromise evidence, or scupper the case.

The reason for Nel to not call Botha is one only.

He cannot rely on Botha in the stand. It's not simply Botha's other problems which don't relate directly to this case.

On this topic - i believe one of the cops who testified in the OP case was also involved in a different case involving the "suicide" of a policemans wife.

In that case - the gun actually disappeared from the crime scene

To me that rather remarkable state of affairs says a lot about the police who might have worked this case.

Just more of the crap Nel has to deal with.

One suspects Botha would have blown the case somehow.
 
cottonweaver said:
As per the comments inside the link IB has provided, why didn't State call him just to let Nel have a go, rattle him under examination and let FC perjure himself on the stand.
If he claims he slept through everything, why on earth did he wake up later? Who woke him? Oldwadge?!

BTW IB, the link was worth it.
The author covered the OP trial and publishes some interesting stuff.
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Probably because frank was likely to be a hostile witness

The failure of the defence to call him says rather more about the case
 
Cherwell said:
The State probably couldn't afford to take the risk. Never a good idea to call a witness unless you are confident that what they say will tally with your case.
Frank could have said anything: for instance, he could have said he thought he heard intruders outside! ;) Too unpredictable.
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Yes. If the state calls frank then nel cannot x him

The state would have wanted the defence to call frank.

But the defence cannot call frank because then Nel can x him

The failure of both state and defence to call frank is hugely revealing of the defence case.

If Frank really heard nothing - we should have expected the defence to call him - to reinforce defence's case that there was no argument all over the house between 2-3

My guess is that Frank cannot be reconciled to the defence timeline
 
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