Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #65~ the appeal~

[james83]

Alex Crawford ‏@AlexCrawfordSky 50s51 seconds ago
#PistoriusAppeal Justice Leach querying the idea that OP believed his life was in danger. He is not buying the defence case at all

 

[lithgow1]

more from Dadic:

Leach really is asking all the questions we were all asking at trial. But she didn't.

 

[Sherbert]

Roux: this is a factual question.

Roux you can't say your factual finding was wrong and we are going to find that it is a legal finding.

SCA I don't believe it was a factual finding. It isn't a positive finding of fact.

 

[soozieqtips]

Ouch. Leach asking Roux to produce factual finding that OP genuinely thought his life was in danger. Saying that just because it was OP's version does not make it a factual finding - given that he was a dishonest witness.

 

[Jake18]

Came to computer to do some work. Am resigned to a long night of updates instead. This is brilliant.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman 59 Sek.Vor 60 Sekunden
#OscarPistorius Leach: did Pistorius honestly believe he was entitled to shoot the person behind the door? BB

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman 26 Sek.Vor 27 Sekunden
#OscarPistorius Leach: Masipa found he was a poor witness - but then finds he genuinely entertained the idea his life was in danger. BB

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman 48 Sek.Vor 48 Sekunden
#OscarPistorius Leach: was there anything apart from the noise that showed his life was in danger? BB

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman 1 Min.Vor 1 Minute
#OscarPistorius Leach: did he have a genuine belief that her was entitled to shoot through the door?
Roux: yes. BB

Roux: page turning - page turning - page turning - page turning ................

 

[atthelake]

I think someone is flustered

 

[james83]

Masipa and Oscar are probably watching this together at home on the sofa hand in hand sobbing.

 

[soozieqtips]

LOL. Leach saying the noise did not mean the door was just about to open.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Time: 11:51
Leach is questioning how Judge Masipa could say Pistorius was a poor witness but believe him when he says his life is in danger. The SCA judge is a bit baffled by the findings in the court a quo.

http://ewn.co.za/Features/Oscar-Pistorius-Appeal

 

[Interested Bystander]

How good to see Roux wriggle with discomfort. He got away with so much during the trial. Now he is arguing in an angry fashion with the SCA judges!

 

[soozieqtips]

Leach not buying any of this.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky
#PistoriusAppeal Roux now frantically leafing through mountain of paperwork with multiple luminous sticky tabs
10:50 AM - 3 Nov 2015

 

[Sherbert]

Roux refers to OP's anxiety and concedes negligence.

SCA did he believe he was entitled to shoot?

Roux: there is nothing to suggest this belief was not honestly entertained - that's a factual finding....that excludes dolus...

 

[sleuth-d-]

Masipa and Oscar are probably watching this together at home on the sofa hand in hand sobbing.

I am waiting for roux to start sobbing, and asking for a break... Or a bucket

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Time: 11:54
Leach poking big holes in the Masipa’s finding.

 

[james83]

In only we had a competent judge for the trial, there would be no need for any of this, it would be all be done and dusted.

 

[Sherbert]

Basically, Roux is armed with two adjectives: 'factual' and 'genuine'; and he keeps repeating them in each sentence.

 

[Jake18]

In only we had a competent judge for the trial, there would be no need for any of this, it would be all be done and dusted.

I think that's what Oscar's Uncle paid for. Not the verdict but someone inexperienced and who could be swayed by "remorse" and Roux's rhetoric. The downside for OP was that that also rendered her verdict legally flimsy.

 

[Val1]

Roux refers to OP's anxiety and concedes negligence.

SCA did he believe he was entitled to shoot?

Roux: there is nothing to suggest this belief was not honestly entertained - that's a factual finding....that excludes dolus...

Lol yea, I suppose next Roux will claim that OP didn't take the firearms course where he would have to have known he was not entitled to shoot to have passed it...