Recovered/Located PA - A.Y., 16, Allentown, 5 March 2018 *Arrest*

[Christineisfab]

No problem I've been wrong on many things on this thread based on imperfect information LOL. There must be a reason LE won't say if they have it and it was is on airport property. Can only guess. I've been to Philly alot and you could ditch a car on a street and leave the keys and that car would be gone by now. But they would have to get from the car to the terminal somehow and that would take (waste) time. They had a plane to catch and wanted to get out of town quick. The fastest would be to leave it in a lot at the airport IMO, especially if they did not plan to return for it.
In an earlier thread I posted there were two airports to go to if that was the plan, Allentown and Philly. Looks like I got that one.

Was there evidence in the car? Interesting, could be a signal to KE.

Misdirect? IDK, only if they hoped it would be stolen and LE would go on a wild goose chase.

The problem with the airport parking lot is that there are a million places to leave your car by PHL. Independent lots, business-owned lots, hotel parking lots, on the street and walk, etc etc etc....

A sample: https://www.google.com/search?q=phl...4!3d39.87974671708582!3m2!1i1500!2i804!4f13.1

 

[akazia1978]

http://www.wfmz.com/news/lehigh-val...-philadelphia-international-airport/715873129

There is an interesting comment on this article regarding Mexico

 

[Irishboy]

I wonder how much she packed-- did she think she was going on a little vacation or running away forever?

Wondered this too. Supposedly the mom dropped both AY and brother at a bus stop. If she had bag/luggage that could raise a suspicion. She would then have to fit everything in a school backpack. or possible after she met up with KE they doubled back to her house to pack. But that would be risky and time consuming.

 

[rob525]

http://www.wfmz.com/news/lehigh-val...-philadelphia-international-airport/715873129

There is an interesting comment on this article regarding Mexico

Yes, that is interesting. I suppose LE would know by now and also not put out the information as not to tip there hand.

 

[Mamabearto2boys]

They already knew he flew to DFW. Why would he care if they knew he rented a car when he arrived?

Because then LE could track him.

LE has said that they are following media reports of them, so it sounds like he is using that info to determine where they go. If he were to rent a car, a credit card would be required. He would know that LE would be tracking his credit card and could therefore determine his location (at least at the time of rental) and therefore one step closer. He probably has also taken into account that rental companies typically have newer model cars with gps installed that could also be tracked. That’s why I was thinking a Greyhound bus to the Mexico border would be the best scenario for them to go under the radar. That or someone he knows and trusts in Dallas that could drive them.

My biggest question in all of this (and others have mentioned the same) is what are his long term for the two of them? I mean, say he really thinks they’ll make off scot free and no one finds ever them...then what? They start a whole new life somewhere and live happily ever after? What is he thinking???

 

[Mamabearto2boys]

Yes, that is interesting. I suppose LE would know by now and also not put out the information as not to tip there hand.

Yes! Thank you for the link. This matches the comments I saw before on a fb article. 2 different people have made the same comments that they witnessed this. That is why I think they had Mexico as an intended final destination and stuck with that plan just via Dallas instead of directly.

 

[Mamabearto2boys]

Wondered this too. Supposedly the mom dropped both AY and brother at a bus stop. If she had bag/luggage that could raise a suspicion. She would then have to fit everything in a school backpack. or possible after she met up with KE they doubled back to her house to pack. But that would be risky and time consuming.

I agree that a bag of clothes at the bus stop would raise a suspicion. I would guess that she went back to the house after she took off from the bus stop and quickly packed a bag there (or perhaps it was pre-packed and she just had to grab it).

This article says:
“On March 5, Y’s mother reported the teen had run away from home, police said. Investigators believe Y was last seen with Kevin Esterly about 7:09 a.m. that day at North 15th and West Allen streets.

Stacey Esterly told police she said she last saw her husband about 6:05 a.m. March 5, according to court records. She told them he had withdrawn $4,000 from her bank account, police said.”

I just searched and found that the location he was last seen is about 1-1.5 miles from AY’s house. Looks like her school begins at 7:45am. I don’t really know what to do with that information, just wanted to throw it out there, lol.

 

[Kapua]

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-nws-allentown-teen-runaway-amy-yu-update-20180313-story.html

According to AY's mom, quoted in the article above, AY packed her "pretty clothes".

I'm thinking, "Why Dallas?" Dallas is not close to the Mexican border, if that's their destination. Houston is much closer. I live in CA, and it's like flying to San Francisco instead of San Diego to get to Mexico - makes little sense. Of course, they could fly anywhere from Dallas, and if they have, I'll bet that LE knows where that is by now. So why Dallas?

1. It was the first flight out of PA and KE wanted to get them somewhere far away where people would not be looking for them as quickly as possible.

2. It was the cheapest flight to TX.

3. He knows someone in TX that will hide them.

4. He rented a cabin or room there ahead of time.

5 ? Anyone have other ideas?

I'm also thinking that they may have gone to a country other than Mexico, somewhere where the money would last a long time - like Thailand.

 

[JerseyGirl]

So his car was located at PHL so I checked Google Flights and the first non-stop to Dallas is at 11:35am via Spirit Airlines

https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=PHL,ZFV;t=DFW,DAL;d=2018-03-26;r=2018-04-21;tt=o

EDIT: I used 3/26 because it's a Monday (sames of March 5). I didn't use 3/19 because that Spirit flight doesn't show up (probably fully booked on the 19th).

 

[rob525]

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-nws-allentown-teen-runaway-amy-yu-update-20180313-story.html

According to AY's mom, quoted in the article above, AY packed her "pretty clothes".

I'm thinking, "Why Dallas?" Dallas is not close to the Mexican border, if that's their destination. Houston is much closer. I live in CA, and it's like flying to San Francisco instead of San Diego to get to Mexico - makes little sense. Of course, they could fly anywhere from Dallas, and if they have, I'll bet that LE knows where that is by now. So why Dallas?

1. It was the first flight out of PA and KE wanted to get them somewhere far away where people would not be looking for them as quickly as possible.

2. It was the cheapest flight to TX.

3. He knows someone in TX that will hide them.

4. He rented a cabin or room there ahead of time.

5 ? Anyone have other ideas?

I'm also thinking that they may have gone to a country other than Mexico, somewhere where the money would last a long time - like Thailand.

1. I saw spirit air has a flight most Mondays from Philly to Dallas that leaves at 11:30 am which given AYs last sighting and possibly time to pack with a 1.5 hour or so drive to the airport would be about right on. So you may be right about the first flight leaving for Texas etc. And I checked the prices for a 1 month advance booking and it was about $215.00 I believe so, relatively cheap.

Thailand is interesting. Money would last a bit ,but not a long time. It would probably take at least $1000.00 a month to live in an area that these two would not stand out. A lot of countries would require a visa. Some like Thailand is just a matter of a stamp in the airport, other countries would have to be applied for in advance. When I read your post I also thought of somewhere like Chile. I have often heard that it is one of the cheapest places to live.

 

[NaanOfYourBusiness]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only 'crime' here is the alleged unauthorized withdrawal (theft) of $4,000 from Esterly's estranged wife's bank account.
Based on that and knowing Esterly has his own passport with him, can LEO not simply request to be alerted once Esterly's passport is scanned in at any border?

 

[Kapua]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only 'crime' here is the alleged unauthorized withdrawal (theft) of $4,000 from Esterly's estranged wife's bank account.
Based on that and knowing Esterly has his own passport with him, can LEO not simply request to be alerted once Esterly's passport is scanned in at any border?

Transporting a minor across state lines without permission of the custodial parent is a Federal offense. Crossing state lines with a minor "for an immoral purpose" is a violation of the Mann act, and a Federal offense punishable by a MINIMUM of 10 years in prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act
https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-prostitution-children

 

[Wool5401@]

I have a feeling that they are already at their destination. They made a quick dash after the bus stop to the Philly airport and got on a flight to Dallas. Upon arriving I bet they took a bus straight to Mexico before LE could even get the word out to stop them. I also think that he was in a hurry to leave Monday because our area was forecasted to get a big snowstorm Tuesday into Wednesday. He probably figured if they didn't fly out soon that flights could be cancelled. He may have been feeling that the whole situation was being discovered.

 

[MsFacetious]

I am more than a little surprised that he actually got her on an airplane. I wonder if he did have fake ID's?

How did he get a 16 year old on a plane without her parents permission? Even if she took her birth certificate that should have raised more red flags since he's not her father. Maybe they just got lucky but it sure was a risky move. Even if they hadn't been reported missing they could have easily been "caught" at the airport.

I almost couldn't get on with my BABY because I didn't have his birth certificate to prove his age. However, maybe that was more a money thing and they don't care if they paid for the seat. (I was flying on a non full flight and just using an empty seat to put his car seat in so he was technically a lap baby.)

It doesn't sound like it was scheduled in advance though since they were asking people to move so they could sit together. Unless that airline doesn't have assigned seating, which is certainly possible too.

What destination would cause the least amount of questioning? Somewhere that she fits in, or somewhere that he fits in? Man... I'm too much of a wuss to try something like this so I can never get in these guys heads to figure out what they might do.

 

[akazia1978]

I am more than a little surprised that he actually got her on an airplane. I wonder if he did have fake ID's?

How did he get a 16 year old on a plane without her parents permission? Even if she took her birth certificate that should have raised more red flags since he's not her father. Maybe they just got lucky but it sure was a risky move. Even if they hadn't been reported missing they could have easily been "caught" at the airport.

I almost couldn't get on with my BABY because I didn't have his birth certificate to prove his age. However, maybe that was more a money thing and they don't care if they paid for the seat. (I was flying on a non full flight and just using an empty seat to put his car seat in so he was technically a lap baby.)

It doesn't sound like it was scheduled in advance though since they were asking people to move so they could sit together. Unless that airline doesn't have assigned seating, which is certainly possible too.

What destination would cause the least amount of questioning? Somewhere that she fits in, or somewhere that he fits in? Man... I'm too much of a wuss to try something like this so I can never get in these guys heads to figure out what they might do.

I've actually never been asked for my daughter's birth certificate, with the exception of when she was under 2 and flying on my lap. Within the US we usually just show passports, and that is that. My issues have all been leaving or re-entering the country. THEN, I have a world of documents to show lol.

 

[Irishboy]

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-nws-allentown-teen-runaway-amy-yu-update-20180313-story.html

According to AY's mom, quoted in the article above, AY packed her "pretty clothes".

I'm thinking, "Why Dallas?" Dallas is not close to the Mexican border, if that's their destination. Houston is much closer. I live in CA, and it's like flying to San Francisco instead of San Diego to get to Mexico - makes little sense. Of course, they could fly anywhere from Dallas, and if they have, I'll bet that LE knows where that is by now. So why Dallas?

1. It was the first flight out of PA and KE wanted to get them somewhere far away where people would not be looking for them as quickly as possible.

2. It was the cheapest flight to TX.

3. He knows someone in TX that will hide them.

4. He rented a cabin or room there ahead of time.

5 ? Anyone have other ideas?

I'm also thinking that they may have gone to a country other than Mexico, somewhere where the money would last a long time - like Thailand.

What if Dallas was not the destination but a connection - that is Mexico City was the final destination of the tickets with a stopover in Dallas? I checked flights to Mexico City from Philly and there were no non-stops, but some stop in southern cities, including Dallas. All leave PHL afternoon that would allow for the other activities - packing, getting the money, ditch the car and board the plane. Then as noted above, they stopped and got stopped in DFW? Maybe Mexico City was the final destination with a stopover.

 

[Irishboy]

I am more than a little surprised that he actually got her on an airplane. I wonder if he did have fake ID's?

How did he get a 16 year old on a plane without her parents permission? Even if she took her birth certificate that should have raised more red flags since he's not her father. Maybe they just got lucky but it sure was a risky move. Even if they hadn't been reported missing they could have easily been "caught" at the airport.

I almost couldn't get on with my BABY because I didn't have his birth certificate to prove his age. However, maybe that was more a money thing and they don't care if they paid for the seat. (I was flying on a non full flight and just using an empty seat to put his car seat in so he was technically a lap baby.)

It doesn't sound like it was scheduled in advance though since they were asking people to move so they could sit together. Unless that airline doesn't have assigned seating, which is certainly possible too.

What destination would cause the least amount of questioning? Somewhere that she fits in, or somewhere that he fits in? Man... I'm too much of a wuss to try something like this so I can never get in these guys heads to figure out what they might do.

Southwest Airline has open seating.

 

[Gardener1850]

Where is her mother from? Could he have forged a letter saying family needed A to travel there for a family emergency? With her having birth certificate/passport it would be quite easy for them to also make up a letter giving her permission to travel with him.

 

[rob525]

What if Dallas was not the destination but a connection - that is Mexico City was the final destination of the tickets with a stopover in Dallas? I checked flights to Mexico City from Philly and there were no non-stops, but some stop in southern cities, including Dallas. All leave PHL afternoon that would allow for the other activities - packing, getting the money, ditch the car and board the plane. Then as noted above, they stopped and got stopped in DFW? Maybe Mexico City was the final destination with a stopover.

I have read that if you travel into Mexico more than 25 km from the US border that you need a visa. I would think that would require some documentation concerning AY upon arrival. I would be absolutely shocked if she were able to enter another country on her passport with a guy that is not her father. Not saying it didn't or can't happen but I have trouble wrapping my mind around it.

 

[akazia1978]

Where is her mother from? Could he have forged a letter saying family needed A to travel there for a family emergency? With her having birth certificate/passport it would be quite easy for them to also make up a letter giving her permission to travel with him.

https://mx.usembassy.gov/implementation-of-mexican-regulations-regarding-minor-travel/. So I found this....I noticed it doesn't say anything about land. The bus is looking more and more like an option.