Great video! Thanks for sharing.Interesting look at the timeline and locations:
For those questioning his clothing. At 1:57 or so into this video, a video of him walking is show. It's definately shorts he's wearing.
Great video! Thanks for sharing.Interesting look at the timeline and locations:
Being close to the military community (spouse and son are Army) I think complacency comes to mind. They train and train and train and one of the biggest risks I see is getting complacent. No accidents in xyz time so things feel "easy" or maybe mindless.. just going through the motions and it leads to people messing up even the simple things.
I almost want to say he should lie low until there is assurance that security is tighter than it should be! By all means (even though they're trying to explain the situation we're at now), top level SS employees, including the director need to be on the ground at this event!![]()
Donald Trump heads to Michigan for first rally since assassination attempt
The rally on Saturday will be held in downtown Grand Rapids at Van Andel Arena and will be open to the public.www.cbsnews.com
Hopefully the SS is able to provide better security at this event on Saturday and provide adequate protection for President Trump and his running mate, VP J.D. Vance, along with the other dignitaries and rally attendees who will be at the event this weekend.
When we do our active shooter/crisis plan training annually at our university, we bring in LE experts from the state, and it is drilled in to us over and over again that there is ONE person in command at the command center and he/she coordinates everything. The command center is identified in advance and communication channels are specific and written down and all parties are informed (local, regional, state and federal law enforcement). The first year we did this training was for an active shooter possibility, over the years we have done a few other scenarios. We are constantly updating the call chart, who calls who, etc. and in what order and how communication takes place and is confirmed. And when the SS comes to our campus with a political candidate for the highest office in the country (president or vice president, or both) then we defer to the SS, not to the campaign manager or anyone else. SS is in charge of the command center.
If some of our local LE are working on parking but are needed at the event or elsewhere, they are notified and drop what they are doing and move to the appropriate site and take appropriate action. Even our campus police, who are certified/licensed police offers with specialized training in active shooter/crisis situations.
It doesn't guarantee success, but everything is meticulously laid out and reviewed enough times that everyone knows the plan. I expect nothing less from the kind of event that the SS was responsible for in Butler, Pennsylvania.
News just reported that the cops were traffic cops and they were not responsible for security.
There was no meeting of the minds in advance. There is a name for that but I didn’t catch it.
There should have been a drone, helicopter for the obvious reasons-to see from a higher view.
Trump should have been held back as soon as something was noted. All areas should have been swiped for any other possible harmful activity.
I just saw the coverage of the SS director at the last night’s RNC with senators asking her questions. She was ignoring them and walking away from them.
There was a scheduled call with several senators yesterday and she didn’t answer most of the questions. Stonewalling.
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Each bit of info that comes out just makes the lapse in security look worse. (I think it was lapse in communication and lack of precise clarity regarding who was responsible for what, rather than anyone shirking their assignment.)
BBM:
"Matthew Crooks, the 20-year-old would-be assassin who opened fire on former President Donald Trump’s Pennsylvania campaign rally Saturday, hid the weapon in advance, according to a Secret Service source.
It was not immediately clear where he hid it, however.
By the time agents spotted him on the roof, he was already holding it."
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Thomas Matthew Crooks hid rifle in advance of Trump rally sniper attack, Secret Service source says
Thomas Matthew Crooks hid the weapon in advance, according to a Secret Service source.nypost.com
I almost want to say he should lie low until there is assurance that security is tighter than it should be! By all means (even though they're trying to explain the situation we're at now), top level SS employees, including the director need to be on the ground at this event!
Would Trump have been alerted of a potential threat, prior to taking the stage? I don’t know the protocol of SS - whether they brief the presidents, or simply handle a threat and allow the president to remain focused.
I think , sadly, they did not perceive the threat we now see. And I am sure they don't alert him to every odd looking individual that causes them to take a double look. Hindsight is 20/20. Looking now we clearly see what we feel they should have seen.How would you like it to be treated in his shoes? I think that everyone has the right to be fully alerted and make an informed decision. I don’t know their protocol, but it is a morality issue.
That probably won't happen.I really hope we get to see at least a redacted version of the plan as it was a whole building complex there, far larger than on the set of buildings the USSS placed two sniper teams. However, it is understandable that the USSS snipers could have been confused, since they would have only seen TMC's head and gun, not the clothing since he was crawling up the roof rather than standing up walking.
I was surprised by this too. After they got him stood up, the just stand there for quite a while. Trump being so tall, his head is exposed. I would have expected them to get him on his feet, have him crouch and then just hustle him right out of there. I haven't heard any former SS agents talk about this yet.I addressed exactly this on Monday.
Article is from yesterday.
What I don't get is Secret Service knows that the shooter is down but no one knows if there's a 2nd + shooter and they leave Trump standing there in the open for seconds after he says "let me get my shoe(s) and they get it.
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Secret Service criticized for how long it took to get Trump offstage
Some former law enforcement officials questioned why the agents allowed the injured former president to put on his shoes and pump his fist in the air.www.nbcnews.com
Of the three victims, one was a registered Democrat.
I think , sadly, they did not perceive the threat we now see. And I am sure they don't alert him to every odd looking individual that causes them to take a double look. Hindsight is 20/20. Looking now we clearly see what we feel they should have seen.
Thanks. I'm not into cars at all and this was very interestingThat probably won't happen.
Jay Leno just had The Beast on his show, Jay Leno's Garage. It's the Presidential Limo. He wasn't even allowed inside it and the SS agents he interviewed were very generalized in what they told him about the limo.
One thing the SS doesn't want to do is unveil any of their tactics. They're probably upset at how much has already been revealed because of this incident.
It's a good watch if you're into cars:
The third oneThis is interesting, I hadn't read that. Do you have a link, please?
The function of the secret service is to protect the president and some other people like vice presidents and candidates. Not celebrities.I wonder if beyond unprofessionalism, there may be other human fallacies. For example, assuming that a shooting would be unlikely because most people at these rallies are staunch supporters of former POTUS Trump, and they would never allow it to happen. Even this is not true, as we see. Of the three victims, one was a registered Democrat. If we view these rallies as merely “celebrity events”, maybe it would help to plan and protect better.
I think it has to be a good financial analysis. What do we need to protect vs what do we have? I believe there is a way to organize it in a cost-efficient but productive way, and surely if a guy working as a dishwasher can afford a drone, why can’t a major organization do so? Helicopter ride is doable for private citizens, why not for SS? I think the consequences of not implementing safety measures cost more.
After I calmed down over the whole assassination attempt I recalled I had just watched this a couple of days before. It was posted on Ferrarichat on July 8.Thanks. I'm not into cars and this was very interesting
I addressed exactly this on Monday.
Article is from yesterday.
What I don't get is Secret Service knows that the shooter is down but no one knows if there's a 2nd + shooter and they leave Trump standing there in the open for seconds after he says "let me get my shoe(s) and they get it.
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Secret Service criticized for how long it took to get Trump offstage
Some former law enforcement officials questioned why the agents allowed the injured former president to put on his shoes and pump his fist in the air.www.nbcnews.com
Trump may have been safer if they kept him down and piled on top of him?I was surprised by this too. After they got him stood up, the just stand there for quite a while. Trump being so tall, his head is exposed. I would have expected them to get him on his feet, have him crouch and then just hustle him right out of there. I haven't heard any former SS agents talk about this yet.
It really is a miracle that there weren't more casualties and injuries. I am still stunned by what security didn't do and what they did do. I'm also shocked that SS director Cheatle hasn't been fired or resigned. A former president almost assassinated under her watch and another innocent man lost his life. Too many questions yet to be answered. This was not a sophisticated operation, the shooter just happened to encounter an ill prepared for event that should have never happened.They failed at the most basic level to start with. They are supposed to identify positions on paper with any organization’s that are present. Firefighters, etc.
The higher ground security should have been more than just 2 of them. That seems to be common sense to me. If both of the guys were taken down by TC, he would have had free range space. There would have been many more casualties. But one is too much.