PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #3

[nerosleuth]

A source with the Secret Service is saying that TMC likely hid the rifle in advance of the Trump rally.

It would mean that TMC had scouted the area days before the rally event.

It raises the question of where and how the rifle was hidden, and if there were any security check walk through along the perimeters before the rally.

And if TMC scouted the area days before the rally event, did anyone see or notice him bicycling, walking, or driving along that area?

Thomas Matthew Crooks hid rifle in advance of Trump rally sniper attack, Secret Service source says

 

[Gemmie]

The height of the female agent left Trump exposed and vulnerable to be shot and they never should have agreed to getting his shoe and him standing there agents know the danger and ignored the possibility of a second shooter and should have gotten Trump surrounded with his head down and into the vehicle ASAP.

I have a question about the section I bolded and underlined above. Did he mention whose responsibility it was for the victim's head to be down? I have brought that up before that height wouldn't matter had he just ducked his head (and that the other SS agents shouldn't have ducked their heads as they did. The wrong people were doing the head ducking IMO! Was it their responsibility to put a hand on his head and hold it down, or to tell him "Head DOWN, Sir!!!"?

And now that I'm looking at the picture again, the one closest to his right (our left) looks like he's praying he doesn't get hit. The woman looks like she's looking down so as not to trip on anything, or perhaps turned to listen to what the guy with his hand on her back is saying to her/them.

With all that said, he really needed to duck his head, and since he didn't, I wonder who that's on? SS because it was protocol (IF it was their protocol, hence me asking above if that's part of what they were trained to do), or Trump because he wouldn't duck his own head?



Picture source (yellow lines mine): 5 things to know about the Trump rally shooting

 

[Waxahachie1]

If one of my kids, when they lived with me, borrowed one of my guns to go to the range, I would expect them to come home after they were done shooting. Pennsylvania maybe isn’t as high crime as California , but leaving a gun in the car for hours isn’t something I would want them to do.

RSBM, BBM

Leaving a gun in the trunk of the car might not be that uncommon in semi-rural western Pennsylvania, and not a worry for the Crooks, but you are right about the risks. Butler, PA (within the greater Pittsburg metro area) has higher rates of both property and violent crime than Ripon, CA, a city of similar size a similar distance from Stockton, CA. But both towns have room for improvement in public safety: Butler is safer than only 20% of American communities, and Ripon is safer than only 31%. I suspect that many rural and semi-rural areas in America have more than their share of crime.

 

[bestill]

Have we ever had an event of this magnitude with no presser on it? So many details and questions could be answered if FBI/SS would share with us. This is our country, our president and we deserve the right to know, more 7 days after the event, more information. This is what fuels conspiracy, fake news and lies!

WS is victim friendly, correct? President Trump is the victim in this as are the others that lost their life and are recovering from injuries. Trying to pin any of this on them, how they reacted, what protocol they did or didn't do is not victim friendly. In my strong opinion none of this is their fault before, during and certainly after the fact.

 

[Sundog]

'In the clear': Dr. Anthony Fauci weighs in on Trump injury after shooting

The former White House chief medical adviser said he sees no reason to believe Trump suffered any further damage or injury.

www.usatoday.com

Not sure why the media would ask Fauci to weigh in on President Trump's wounds, he has no inside knowledge about the nature of the injuries.

There was an interview with a Board Certified ear specialist who said that Trump may need or want plastic surgery to repair the area of the ear that was possibly disfigured by the gunshot. NPR, in an article posted earlier on this thread, had interviewed someone close to President Trump (IIRC it may have been his son) who stated that this may have been the case (small area of disfigurement of the ear due to gunshot).

In any event, whatever the damage to President Trump's ear/head, the trauma of being the victim of a near-death event perpetrated by an assassin with him as the target, has to be an incredible shock to the system - physically, mentally, and spiritually.

He also has to be incredibly sore, bruised, and hurt from the SS piling on him, kind of like a football tackle but without any equipment.

 

[justtrish]

A source with the Secret Service is saying that TMC likely hid the rifle in advance of the Trump rally.

It would mean that TMC had scouted the area days before the rally event.

It raises the question of where and how the rifle was hidden, and if there were any security check walk through along the perimeters before the rally.

And if TMC scouted the area days before the rally event, did anyone see or notice him bicycling, walking, or driving along that area?

Thomas Matthew Crooks hid rifle in advance of Trump rally sniper attack, Secret Service source says

Interesting that they think he hid it prior to the rally. We know he used the gun the day before to practice at the range or gun club. I wonder if he even did that then? Did he say he was doing that and head up to the rally site to hide the gun then? I haven't seen it mentioned that he was there the day before, but just sometime the week before and then the morning up he was there and left and returned.

I just think it seems pretty bold for someone intent on carrying this out to go to the location and hid a weapon once he knows SS and LE are already on scene watching. If they would have found that gun before he showed up to carry out the attack, they could trace it to his dad and he'd be toast. I guess up to that point nobody had stopped him so maybe he felt confident in doing this and not getting caught. If he hid it the day before or that week sometime, then he also risked his dad asking about the gun and him having to come up with something to say about why he didn't have it.

Another thought that just occured to me is if he hid it the day before or sometime that week, he could have hid it further away and in a place he knew SS or no LE would be.. even miles away if he had the bike, he could easily cover a few miles and back. So maybe he did plant the gun somewhere, but not really close to the rally location, but somewhere he needed the bike to get to it quicker.

 

[Live_and_Learn]

WS is victim friendly, correct? President Trump is the victim in this as are the others that lost their life and are recovering from injuries. Trying to pin any of this on them, how they reacted, what protocol they did or didn't do is not victim friendly. In my strong opinion non of this is their fault before, during and certainly after the fact.

Thank you! Victim blaming, laughing reactions to those speaking out against violence, etc. are all indicative of an underlying hatred that is nothing but destructive to those who carry it and those who are subjected to it. Nothing about it is subtle or acceptable, especially in the discussion of tragedies.

 

[MassGuy]

Have we ever had an event of this magnitude with no presser on it? So many details and questions could be answered if FBI/SS would share with us. This is our country, our president and we deserve the right to know more 7 days after the event more information. This is what fuels conspiracy, fake news and lies!

WS is victim friendly, correct? President Trump is the victim in this as are the others that lost their life and are recovering from injuries. Trying to pin any of this on them, how they reacted, what protocol they did or didn't do is not victim friendly. In my strong opinion non of this is their fault before, during and certainly after the fact.

If you don’t investigate and correct the failings here, you’re going to have a lot of dead politicians.

If something this sloppy could nearly be successful, then imagine what someone more skilled could do.

We will likely learn a great deal of information from the upcoming hearings, and I do like the fact that they are releasing information as they go along. There’s a lot they just don’t know at this stage though.

We have two elements that are tied together here:

Why/how did he do it?

How the hell could he in the first place?

 

[Juvenile]

How did he fit a ladder and/or a bike in a Hyundai Sonata?

 

[Inthedetails]

Stop the presses!

"Failed Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks’ high school is correcting the record on several points about the disturbed and mysterious shooter’s teenage years — including denying allegations that he tried out for its rifle team, was a victim of bullying and threatened to shoot up the school."

Trump shooter Thomas Crooks was not a member of rifle team, wasn’t bullied despite previous reports, school district claims

Two former classmates told The Post this week that Crooks tried out for the rifle squad, but was dismissed due to being a “comically bad” shot and for making concerning comments.

nypost.com

 

[vls12345]

Wow.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/rnc-delegates-trump-ear-bandages/

MILWAUKEE, July 18 (Reuters) - At the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee this week, a fashion trend with a difference has emerged — fake ear bandages, donned by attendees as a symbolic gesture of support for Donald Trump...

Seriously?

If so, I won't be surprised if the campaign will start selling "ear caps" or something. (Betting now this will become a popular Halloween item too.) It's no less distasteful than the campaign selling assassination attempt themed sneakers. Gotta monetize everything. Imo.

Donald Trump offers supporters $299 assassination attempt-themed sneakers

High-tops emblazoned with candidate’s bloodied face and ‘Fight Fight Fight’ offered for sale before webpage disappears

www.theguardian.com

Thanks so much Trisha & Jim.

Begin @ 25:20 Jim where says that the only thing the agents did do right after he was hit was pile on Trump and after that they did everything wrong.

The height of the female agent left
Trump exposed and vulnerable to be shot and they never should have agreed to getting his shoe and him standing there agents know the danger and ignored the possibility of a second shooter and should have gotten Trump surrounded with his head down and into the vehicle ASAP.
Once Trump was shot and in danger it's the SS's call on how the situation is to be handled and not the presidents.

@25:20 Jim begins his critique.

I haven't watched this so thanks for your comments. I agree and have said from the beginning that there were so many SS failures from planning to execution to evacuation. From initial news coverage, I could spot numerous, clear issues. (And my "expertise" comes from watching movies.) It still boggles my mind. SS has always had the aura and the mystique of being aware, alert, professional, and in charge. No longer, though. Imo.

I just posted a new article that gives some details about his parents. It seems they have been working from home since the pandemic. Mom might have some medical issues. The article mentions vision and walking with a cane. It also mentions the home and compares it to a hoarder home. So while they might have had decent careers, we are now seeing that they too had some issues going on. I would be interested to know if the home was just cluttered or if it actually was more of a hoarder house. That is a mental illness and it can be hard on the other family members in the house. I think it also could be they had some medical issues that prevented keeping a really tidy house and that is understandable. The actual act of truly hoarding speaks to a larger issue that could have had an impact on their son.

If the hoarding is a true hoarder type situation, many time kids in such households don't, can't, or won't invite friends over. Also, sometimes the hoarder seems to be more concerned for their things and less so about the people in their lives. It's a form of mental illness and can have impacts on others living with them. Just MOO basd on personal research I have done re: hoarding.

 

[Ladyotm]

I just posted a new article that gives some details about his parents. It seems they have been working from home since the pandemic. Mom might have some medical issues. The article mentions vision and walking with a cane. It also mentions the home and compares it to a hoarder home. So while they might have had decent careers, we are now seeing that they too had some issues going on. I would be interested to know if the home was just cluttered or if it actually was more of a hoarder house. That is a mental illness and it can be hard on the other family members in the house. I think it also could be they had some medical issues that prevented keeping a really tidy house and that is understandable. The actual act of truly hoarding speaks to a larger issue that could have had an impact on their son.

All MOO. I wonder if the family spiraled downwards all together. Confined and working from home during COVID. Mom physical / medical issues soon afterwards. This could have been the beginning of the hoarding, which may have occurred during some of his high school years. Everyone struggling with their own issues, unable to help each other. And now, we end up here.

Wow.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/rnc-delegates-trump-ear-bandages/
MILWAUKEE, July 18 (Reuters) - At the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee this week, a fashion trend with a difference has emerged — fake ear bandages, donned by attendees as a symbolic gesture of support for Donald Trump...

vls12345 said:​

Seriously?

If so, I won't be surprised if the campaign will start selling "ear caps" or something. (Betting now this will become a popular Halloween item too.) It's no less distasteful than the campaign selling assassination attempt themed sneakers. Gotta monetize everything. Imo.

Very distasteful and disrespectful to those who died and were more seriously hurt.

 

[vls12345]

Not sure why the media would ask Fauci to weigh in on President Trump's wounds, he has no inside knowledge about the nature of the injuries.

There was an interview with a Board Certified ear specialist who said that Trump may need or want plastic surgery to repair the area of the ear that was possibly disfigured by the gunshot. NPR, in an article posted earlier on this thread, had interviewed someone close to President Trump (IIRC it may have been his son) who stated that this may have been the case (small area of disfigurement of the ear due to gunshot).

In any event, whatever the damage to President Trump's ear/head, the trauma of being the victim of a near-death event perpetrated by an assassin with him as the target, has to be an incredible shock to the system - physically, mentally, and spiritually.

He also has to be incredibly sore, bruised, and hurt from the SS piling on him, kind of like a football tackle but without any equipment.

Gotta agree with you on this, especially as there is no love lost between Fauci and Trump. It's like they (they authors) are trying to be provocative, imo.

CNN did have an article yesterday from Dr. Sanjay Gupta (trauma neurosurgeon) talking about longer term possible effects from shooting ("gunshot blasts near the head can cause injuries that aren’t immediately noticeable, such as bleeding in or on the brain, damage to the inner ear or even psychological trauma"). But I hadn't posted it because the article seemed more like an opinion piece than an article.

If you google "gupta talking about trump’s health after assassination attempt", you should easily find a link.

All MOO.

 

[Inthedetails]

Seriously?

If so, I won't be surprised if the campaign will start selling "ear caps" or something. (Betting now this will become a popular Halloween item too.) It's no less distasteful than the campaign selling assassination attempt themed sneakers. Gotta monetize everything. Imo.

Donald Trump offers supporters $299 assassination attempt-themed sneakers

High-tops emblazoned with candidate’s bloodied face and ‘Fight Fight Fight’ offered for sale before webpage disappears

www.theguardian.com

I haven't watched this so thanks for your comments. I agree and have said from the beginning that there were so many SS failures from planning to execution to evacuation. From initial news coverage, I could spot numerous, clear issues. (And my "expertise" comes from watching movies.) It still boggles my mind. SS has always had the aura and the mystique of being aware, alert, professional, and in charge. No longer, though. Imo.



If the hoarding is a true hoarder type situation, many time kids in such households don't, can't, or won't invite friends over. Also, sometimes the hoarder seems to be more concerned for their things and less so about the people in their lives. It's a form of mental illness and can have impacts on others living with them. Just MOO basd on personal research I have done re: hoarding.

Regarding the cluttered house, without seeing it, I'm wondering if it escalated from a situation where the sight-impaired mom (source above stated the mom is sight-impaired) not being able to keep up with the housework and the other household members didn't take it over.

(I am not suggesting only women do or should do household chores in every home, but acknowledging the reality that housework usually does fall on the mom.)

Then, once the clutter got out of hand, it just escalated and remained unaddressed.

I don't discount a true "hoarder" situation but it might be overwhelm that isn't actually hoarding.

Either way, it's an environment that makes mental-health issues more difficult and the mental-health (and physical health) issues make the housekeeping more difficult.

Knowing the state of the house is useful, but I'm refraining from making assumptions about the cause until more is known.

jmo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

https://www.woodtv.com/news/grand-rapids/former-president-donald-trump-jd-vance-campaign-rally-grand-rapids-july-20-2024/

...“The U.S. Secret Service adds additional resources for all campaign cycles including manpower and a variety of protective technology. This addition of resources happens for all election cycles and is part of our candidate nominee operations section and additional resources were allocated to Former President Trump’s protective detail in June. In addition, we have implemented changes to his security detail since July 13 to ensure his continued protection throughout the remainder of the campaign.”...

 

[Sundog]

Seriously?

If so, I won't be surprised if the campaign will start selling "ear caps" or something. (Betting now this will become a popular Halloween item too.) It's no less distasteful than the campaign selling assassination attempt themed sneakers. Gotta monetize everything. Imo.

At the Convention, some people wore ear bandages in sympathy and support for President Trump. This had nothing to do with selling "ear caps" or anything else, it was their attempt to show sympathy with him.

I've seen this kind of expression of sympathy and support by people who are close to victims of other kinds of injuries or illnesses and wouldn't pass judgement on people who take this road to express their support. As the Convention started less than two days after the assassination attempt, many people were feeling helpless regarding how to express their sympathy and support to President Trump, and this was one of the ways they chose to do it. No judgement from me.

 

[justtrish]

Regarding the cluttered house, without seeing it, I'm wondering if it escalated from a situation where the sight-impaired mom (source above stated the mom is sight-impaired) not being able to keep up with the housework and the other household members didn't take it over.

(I am not suggesting only women do or should do household chores in every home, but acknowledging the reality that housework usually does fall on the mom.)

Then, once the clutter got out of hand, it just escalated and remained unaddressed.

I don't discount a true "hoarder" situation but it might be overwhelm that isn't actually hoarding.

Either way, it's an environment that makes mental-health issues more difficult and the mental-health (and physical health) issues make the housekeeping more difficult.

Knowing the state of the house is useful, but I'm refraining from making assumptions about the cause until more is known.

jmo

I agree. It stuck out to me just because I recognize that true hoarding is a mental illness. Just because they are in the mental health field doesn't mean they don't also struggle with some mental health issues themselves. I think it could be a factor in his life that could explain some of his behaviors, like you mentioned not having friends over. It could also be that he didn't like that and it overwhelmed him or he could have thought it was "normal" and it had no impact on him.

 

[MassGuy]

Excellent visual of how this all went down. I just want to know why the radio call from the officers who attempted to engage didn’t result in an immediate response.

 

[Simply Southern]

Just a quick post to thank Tricia and her guest on her recent YouTube video. Excellent program. The former SS agent answers many questions people have about the recent incident. Lots to learn. If you haven't watched it, please do.

Absolutely a must watch !!!
Best interview, professional, very informative and knowledgeable.

Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to hearing him again on Monday.

Shout out to @Tricia