PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #4

[OddOneOut]

FBI director questions whether Trump was hit by bullet or shrapnel in shooting

Christopher Wray, the FBI director, has raised questions about whether Donald Trump was actually shot by a bullet during the assassination attempt against the former president earlier this month or whether he was instead struck by shrapnel.

During a hearing on Wednesday in Washington, before the House judiciary committee, Wray told lawmakers that it was not clear what precisely caused the injury to Trump’s ear.

[…]

“There’s some question about whether or not it’s a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear,” Wray testified. “As I sit here right now, I don’t know whether that bullet, in addition to causing the grazing, could have also landed somewhere else.”

[…]

FBI director questions whether Trump was hit by bullet or shrapnel in shooting

Ronny Jackson, former White House doctor who examined Trump after shooting, pushes back: ‘It was a bullet’

www.theguardian.com

Just my opinion, looking at the first pictures of Trump's bloody ear, it looked to me like he had either something round stuck in the upper edge of his ear or a hole in his ear. When objects break, they usually aren't perfectly round. I don't see a ragged piece of glass or shrapnel making a perfectly round hole.

Also, I don't remember seeing any reports of anything being broken by bullets that the shrapnel or glass could have come from.

Add this to the picture of the bullet whizzing by Trump's head at the level of his ear for further proof.

 

[Ruminations]

Just my opinion, looking at the first pictures of Trump's bloody ear, it looked to me like he had either something round stuck in the upper edge of his ear or a hole in his ear. When objects break, they usually aren't perfectly round. I don't see a ragged piece of glass or shrapnel making a perfectly round hole.

Also, I don't remember seeing any reports of anything being broken by bullets that the shrapnel or glass could have come from.

Add this to the picture of the bullet whizzing by Trump's head at the level of his ear for further proof.

It my non-professional opinion, based on press reports about the babies from Sandy Hook, who thankfully did not suffer, it does not seem possible that there was a hole through Trumps ear and that he is still alive. He doesn't have sticking out ears. And his former WH doctor said no cartilage was damaged. So the injury is obviously skin.

The ME at Sandy Hook said that the ammo used with an assault rifle is especially pernicious and designed to cause internal damage once it penetrates. It doesn't neatly go through people.

OTOH, it seems like broken glass or something similar would manage to injure more people superficially, or injure Trump in more than one place. It just doesn't seem to me like only one shard of something would be launched and hit one human in one place. I suppose it is possible that that it was some shard of something, but I think there would be more bits of that something about, and more injuries from it. I think it was a bullet that zipped by Trumps ear so closely that it broke his skin. Yet, it luckily did not even break cartilage or cut him enough to need stitches.

I know somebody who was shot at from a long distance while riding his bike. He could feel the bullet go by, but he wasn't hit. I don't recall the type of gun though. I have to ask him. The police felt it was a random gang initiation attempted murder. (We watch you kill; we know you won't snitch.) He told me he felt like it almost gave him a burn like injury. Yet He was not visibly injured.

It makes me think, maybe the bullet was even closer to Trump and injured his skin just barely touching, or maybe even almost touching.

I imagine the FBI is very interested in counting bullets, shells, and finding landing points. I have a feeling Wray has investigators trying to account for every round, and they are probably intellectually frustrated that Trumps injury does not definitively tell them that it was a bullet. But of course, if it were obvious, it would mean the injury would be worse, so in that way, the mystery is a very good mystery.

MOO

 

[OldAce]

Just my opinion, looking at the first pictures of Trump's bloody ear, it looked to me like he had either something round stuck in the upper edge of his ear or a hole in his ear. When objects break, they usually aren't perfectly round. I don't see a ragged piece of glass or shrapnel making a perfectly round hole.

Also, I don't remember seeing any reports of anything being broken by bullets that the shrapnel or glass could have come from.

Add this to the picture of the bullet whizzing by Trump's head at the level of his ear for further proof.

He is sorta trying to cloud the issue. Like the bullet side swiped something on the way in and a piece flew off and struck
Trump. Or he allows,clipped Trump and stopped somewhere else. In the dead man probably. Just difficult for them to admit it was a very near kill shot, allowed by their lax security forces.

 

[SouthAussie]

I imagine the FBI is very interested in counting bullets, shells, and finding landing points. I have a feeling Wray has investigators trying to account for every round, and they are probably intellectually frustrated that Trumps injury does not definitively tell them that it was a bullet.

Yes, it is probably more about potential trajectory and landing points.

They are examining fragments.


The F.B.I. is examining numerous metal fragments found near the stage at a campaign rally in Butler, Pa., to determine whether an assassin’s bullet — or potential debris — grazed former President Donald J. Trump’s head ...

The bureau has asked to interview Mr. Trump as part of its broader investigation, hoping to provide insights into the shooting and possibly a more complete record of his injury ...

It is not unusual for the type of bullet that Mr. Crooks fired from his AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle to tumble end over end and break apart after hitting even a small solid object. Gun experts say a fragment might, for instance, have hit a metal stanchion.

Gun experts said the F.B.I. could rely on trajectory analysis, a physical examination of any linked bullet and the president’s wound to possibly figure out what happened.

F.B.I. Examining Bullet Fragments Found at Trump Rally Site

The bureau is assessing what caused the former president’s wound during an assassination attempt. The question has turned political.

www.nytimes.com

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[Luna20]

I wonder what difference it makes to most people whether "it" was shrapnel or a bullet that hit Trump's ear??

Do most people think the gunman was firing aimlessly?! Was he just firing some nerf balls?! If so, you might want to have a conversation with the Comperatore family and the two men seriously injured. jmo

You are right, it doesn’t matter. It was bullets flying from the shooters gun, that was shot at a Presidential candidate with the intent of killing him. The motive was clear; it was assassination.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

Just my opinion, looking at the first pictures of Trump's bloody ear, it looked to me like he had either something round stuck in the upper edge of his ear or a hole in his ear. When objects break, they usually aren't perfectly round. I don't see a ragged piece of glass or shrapnel making a perfectly round hole.

Also, I don't remember seeing any reports of anything being broken by bullets that the shrapnel or glass could have come from.

Add this to the picture of the bullet whizzing by Trump's head at the level of his ear for further proof.

I don't see a round hole, outside the bandage. But, if I know one thing, it's that he would have paraded his injury around the block like a badge of honor for all to see had it been more graphic.

Just a reminder, more than 10 days out there is STILL no official report or medical reports.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think the FBI are just trying their hardest to provide a full investigation and full account of what happened. Because that is what everyone wants.

This latest news is just another part of their investigation into the attempted assassination. It doesn't mean it wasn't an attempted assassination, or the murder and serious injury of others. imo

 

[GRT]

And don't forget the photo of the bullet whizzing by. If that bullet didn't graze him, then I'd be surprised that it came that close AND shrapnel then actually hit him. I feel like the bullet photo is good evidence that what grazed him was in fact that bullet. It doesn't matter to me either way though. We know the shooter shot several rounds at Trump and the trajectory can be determined based on where those who were shot were located. We have a photo of a bullet whizzing by his head. We know who the shooter was aiming for and what his goal was.

Maybe it was a bullet. Maybe it was shrapnel. Either way, he was very nearly assassinated that day, and others were shot. Were others struck by shrapnel? Anyone standing near Trump?

If it was shrapnel, Wray will be able to tell us what exploded to cause the shrapnel. There will be evidence.

One way or the other, Trump missed a bullet that day, and the SS is no longer the elite protective force we once thought it was. Disheartening, to say the least.

I hope this event serves as a lesson to future SS agents to take their jobs seriously and not cut corners.

JMOO

 

[layer]

Maybe it was a bullet. Maybe it was shrapnel. Either way, he was very nearly assassinated that day, and others were shot. Were others struck by shrapnel? Anyone standing near Trump?

If I'm not mistaken, Comperatore was between the shooter & Trump. It could have been part of his skull that hit his ear. Here's a map from early reporting:

Source

 

[Artis]

I don't see a round hole, outside the bandage. But, if I know one thing, it's that he would have paraded his injury around the block like a badge of honor for all to see had it been more graphic.

Just a reminder, more than 10 days out there is STILL no official report or medical reports.

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You can look at bullet graze wounds in the images of any search engine. What you think a medical report will provide? It's a minor injury. You clean it, patch it up and that's that.

<modsnip - opinion stated as fact> Trump was supposed to be dead now.

 

[Tricia]

Hey Everyone,
Thread is closing for the night. Will reopen in the morning.
Tricia

 

[Knitty]

Thread is open.

 

[Elley Mae]

Grassley Releases Newly-Obtained Video, Records in Aftermath of Trump Assassination Attempt | U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa

WASHINGTON – Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) today released bodycam footage of local law enforcement...

www.grassley.senate.gov

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/imo/media/image/image%201.png

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1816813081227325474

 

[sds71]

The FBI is seeking to interview former President Donald Trump in its investigation of the assassination attempt to obtain a victim statement — a standard part of the investigation because he is a crime victim, according to a US official.

The FBI also said in a statement Thursday that investigators continue to examine bullet fragments and other evidence in the attack on Trump at his Pennsylvania rally this month, but that the agency has always considered the shooting an attempted assassination of the former president.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/politics/fbi-trump-interview-assassination-attempt/index.html

 

[weepingangel]

“11 Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.

The four motorcycle officers were part of Donald Trump’s escort to and from the rally in Butler.

Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets.

Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby.

They were treated at the scene. They were okay to escort Trump back to the airport in Pittsburgh last night after he was treated at Butler Memorial Hospital.”

LATEST: President Biden calls for end to political violence after attempted assassination of Trump

Donald Trump was removed from the stage while rallying in Butler County.

www.wpxi.com

 

[Ontario Mom]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1816813081227325474

Honestly, what the heck difference does it make what hit him?

We know there was an attempted assassination.
We know 3 other innocent people were in fact shot, by bullets, from the assassin's weapon.
We know one of those innocent people died.
We know something struck Trump in the side of the head that immediately drew blood.
We know the would-be assassin is dead.

If what hit Trump in the side of the head was glass, popcorn or a flippin' pool noodle, how does that change anything?
I don't know if these folks are trying to downplay the seriousness of the events that day, but from where I'm sitting, that's exactly what it looks like. Which I find truly revolting.

jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

Curious did cheatle resign as director or from secret service?

 

[Ruminations]

“11 Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.

The four motorcycle officers were part of Donald Trump’s escort to and from the rally in Butler.

Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets.

Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby.

They were treated at the scene. They were okay to escort Trump back to the airport in Pittsburgh last night after he was treated at Butler Memorial Hospital.”

LATEST: President Biden calls for end to political violence after attempted assassination of Trump

Donald Trump was removed from the stage while rallying in Butler County.

www.wpxi.com

Oh. Now I'm more inclined to believe the theory that Trump was injured by something other than a bullet.

To posit this is not a minimization of the assaination attempt.

I didn't particularly "feel" like the ear injury was from debris until reading this, and I'm still unsure. But it is not correct or respectful of the FBI investigation into this crime to think that attempting to account for bullets at a crime scene is anything other than that. It is taking the crime seriously by getting the facts exactly right.

MOO

 

[Elley Mae]

Maybe shrapnel hit the others.