PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #4

[SouthAussie]

Sorry, I don't believe in praising them for what they did wrong. They either have tough standards, or they need to be replaced by someone who puts aside their feelings to do their job. In this case, the SS agents that rushed to protect Trump were praised, but that doesn't need to include those who appear to not take their job seriously. The lead SS agent who scoped out the perimeter that didn't include the roof TC shot from needs to be held accountable and retrained. You don't need to take down an entire division when one or more people were simply not doing their job. (also speaking from a position of accountability). MOO

I was simply responding to your comment about replacing the SS with the military. I presumed you were speaking of the 'entire division' of SS who were at that event, in your comment. Maybe you meant it would have been better (in retrospect) if it was a mix of SS and military. And only select people who would show no emotion afterwards.

"if SS agents are that fragile, they need to be replaced by the military."

 

[Donswife48]

Why do you view treatment of "little girls" in the pejorative? It'd be different if you just said "children." SS expressing sadness at the outcomes is a natural and human emotion. Would you rather them NOT feel sad for the injury and loss of life?

It appears though, from the testimony from Rowe, that they are most sad about people criticizing them. Their moral is low? They need to set aside their personal feelings because they are supposedly the top security for us. If they did their job well, or at least paid attention to the reports they received before the attempted assassination. they would be confident that they did their best. Who decided to ignore the building that TC fired from? MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

I'd say failure to communicate quickly enough is part of the downfall.

IIRC (somewhere back in the thread) it was stated that communication between the different policing entities was a 2-step thing. That local law enforcement communicated back to their central point, and that was then relayed along to the SS, and vice versa.

imo

The Secret Service had NO way to communicate to the Protection Detail for the former president.

Yea, local LE was NOT worthy enough to have a radio or two to communicate directly with the SS Command Center.

The Site Supervisor treated the outer perimeter as ... Not my responsibility.
Rowe stated .... The SS Protection Detail has their own radio system.

When ask how they would communicate to the SS Protection Detail of a gun man .... he sat silently. That's the Site Supervisor JOB to make sure everyone can communicate.

No these agents need to be flat out fired. They failed. The Pittsburgh field office failed.

Rowe admit it, finally after much pressure... The Pittsburg Field office pulled SS Agents to cover Jill Biden at the airport.from the Butler Rally.

Moo... The Pittsburgh office didn't care about the Trump rally. I'm wondering if the agents resented being there and missing all the action with MS Biden, at the casino ballroom. Did they spend all of their time and focus and agents on the ballroom fundraiser. Is that why they're refusing to allow the 17 Secret Service agents to be interviewed? Is that why they're refusing to release the site plan?

There's a whole lot more to this and these committee members are very concerned. They voice concerned that secret service helps protect them.

I do want to be clear ...
The hearing was to address the failure of the Pittsburgh office. NOT the protection detail. The committee was extremely complimentary, repeatedly and throughout the entire hearing and commended the protection detail.

Moo... They need to clean house. The new director repeatedly defended his staff. Even to the point of raising his voice. Talked about how sad and upset and hurt they are. He's not going to be able to lead, he's too tied into friendships and relationships to make objective decisions.
All my opinion

 

[SouthAussie]

The Secret Service had NO way to communicate to the Protection Detail for the former president.

I definitely agree that there should have been a communication form that ALL policing entities could hear and/or see.

It would have enabled a more rapid response.

I was surprised to read about chat groups. It seems very underwhelming.

imo

 

[Sundog]

dbm

 

[Simply Southern]

<Snipped for focus>

So why are they calling this the "command center" if there was no one there from the SS who was in command of the event? That's not how command centers work.

It was the Pittsburgh Field Office Command Center. They were in FULL charge of the entire event. It took awhile for Rowe to admit.

This field office operated in a bubble. They felt they were not responsible for the protection detail NOR the outer perimeter.

Rowe called it situational awareness. Hey, at least he's named it.

Moo...

 

[Artis]

The Judicial and Homeland Security Congressional hearing is WELL worth the time. Every senator on either side of the aisle had good, indepth questions and were consistent and demanding answers and follow-ups. Every senator stressed the importance of releasing information to Congress and the American people, to prevent additional rumors, and threats.

The committees asked for SS policies, site plans, emails video recordings, radio traffic communication
(SS failed to record communication that day). The chairman demands the SS allow the 17 agents to be interviewed within days. Rowe refused to answer who was denying the request.

Moo .. from congressional hearing

Moo ... I see subpoenas on the horizon. I think they're done with invites.

BBM

Another coincidence.

 

[Luna20]

Right, but it's not like this was their first rodeo. My god, this is ALL they do - protect high-profile people, secure large areas, prepare for the worst case scenario. When civilians are shouting about a man having a gun 20+ minutes prior to any shots being taken, it's indicative that there's a systemic issue happening somewhere across the SS, in my opinion.

I can’t get past them thinking while on the roof that it was okay not to have others stationed on the surrounding buildings. I would see that immediately and ask about it.

‘Hey I’m up here by myself, who else is coming’? It’s logical, why didn’t they see the open holes?

Did they know that they were short staffed and decided best case scenario?

 

[Artis]

No... there were 20 seconds approximately from the time the officers notified Central Command the suspect had a gun.
No mention of a gun till the officers climb to the edge of the roof and fell to the ground.

He immediately radioed the local LE office located in the command center. The Secret Service Command center did not record any communication. He noted this was a failure of procedure.

Local law enforcement States they immediately told the command center agent, SS has refused to state, action of command center.

Rowe stated until the suspect presented a gun he was not a threat. Local law enforcement has been tracking the sky for over 90 minutes and in constant communication with the command center LE lead, who communicated everything to the SS lead. They were both sitting in the same room.

Local law enforcement on the ground had no way of communicating with the Secret Service agents or the command center directly.

Local law enforcement has been tracking the sky for over 90 minutes and in constant communication with the command center LE lead, who communicated everything to the SS lead. They were both sitting in the same room.

Local law enforcement on the ground had no way of communicating with the Secret Service agents or the command center directly.

Those are contradictory statements.

 

[Simply Southern]

It appears though, from the testimony from Rowe, that they are most sad about people criticizing them. Their moral is low? They need to set aside their personal feelings because they are supposedly the top security for us. If they did their job well, or at least paid attention to the reports they received before the attempted assassination. they would be confident that they did their best. Who decided to ignore the building that TC fired from? MOO

I don't know. I assume the Pittsburgh field office site supervisor.

Today Rowe said...out of 700 applicants less than 15 are actually hired. We only hire absolutely the best, he said.

If the Pittsburgh office is the best they got, I understand Senators being concerned.
Many times they are at events that are protected by Secret Service field offices.
Moo

 

[Simply Southern]

I can’t get past them thinking while on the roof that it was okay not to have others stationed on the surrounding buildings. I would see that immediately and ask about it.

‘Hey I’m up here by myself, who else is coming’? It’s logical, why didn’t they see the open holes?

Did they know that they were short staffed and decided best case scenario?

The Pittsburgh State Police Director ask the site supervisor during the first sight review about sniper coverage. He offered PSP drones. He stated the Secret Service usually request their drones at every event. He was told local law enforcement is handling and they didn't need the drones.

Yes, they knew they were short staffed the Pittsburgh made the decision to pull agents from the rally.

Moo ...

 

[Artis]

yes, until they verify it's his account there is no point in speculating further MOO But sheesh, young indeed if his views were that extreme already.

There is a point: Make the allegation and get it out there in the zeitgeist because it advances the narrative. As with news articles, nobody pays attention to the retraction. MOO, of course.

 

[Simply Southern]

Local law enforcement has been tracking the sky for over 90 minutes and in constant communication with the command center LE lead, who communicated everything to the SS lead. They were both sitting in the same room.

Local law enforcement on the ground had no way of communicating with the Secret Service agents or the command center directly.

Those are contradictory statements.

The response was.... He was not a threat, he was only a suspicious person. It was a fishing rangefinder, rangefinders are not on the list to elevate to a threat.

LE on the ground would radio to the Pittsburgh field office command center to the local LE lead who forwarded the info.

The local lead would communicate with the SS agent in the command center. Local LE could NOT speak with the SS Command Center directly. Finally after no response from the Secret Service, they started texting the SS Sniper team. Local LE assumed the sniper team had direct contact and would try to convince the Command Center SS of a serious threat. The command center blew the whole thing off because he didn't have a gun. They only considered a threat if you have a gun. Rowe defined as situational awareness.

The committee what's flabbergasted instead they needed to rethink .... What defines a threat.

Moo

 

[Sundog]

The FBI representative who spoke at today's hearing said that they haven't accessed all of the shooter's encrypted apps, but the two that they have accessed show contradictory messages. Posts on one of the apps show that the poster was antisemitic, anti-immigration, etc. Posts on the other app state the opposite, that the poster was in favor of immigration, etc. Also, the FBI rep said that they haven't yet verified that both of these posters on both of these apps are actually those of the shooter.

 

[Simply Southern]

I am just brainstorming here, but after watching the hearing today and hearing vague and veiled answers from SS....I really want to know just exactly where was the Command Center? Were they all in Pittsburgh with the FLOTUS detail that day?

This delay and obfuscating the communications issue makes me wonder.

No they were on site. Everyone is wondering, the committee asked repeatedly trying to understand.

I do believe we had an inexperienced team. I think the lack of transparency, the refusal of interviews of the 17 Pittsburgh agents is an attempt to cover up.

Moo

 

[Artis]

The response was.... He was not a threat, he was only a suspicious person. It was a fishing rangefinder, rangefinders are not on the list to elevate to a threat.

LE on the ground would radio to the Pittsburgh field office command center to the local LE lead who forwarded the info.

The local lead would communicate with the SS agent in the command center. Local LE could NOT speak with the SS Command Center directly. Finally after no response from the Secret Service, they started texting the SS Sniper team. Local LE assumed the sniper team had direct contact and would try to convince the Command Center SS of a serious threat. The command center blew the whole thing off because he didn't have a gun. They only considered a threat if you have a gun. Rowe defined as situational awareness.

The committee what's flabbergasted instead they needed to rethink .... What defines a threat.

Moo

I must be missing something because aren't these contradictory?

The local lead would communicate with the SS agent in the command center.

Local LE could NOT speak with the SS Command Center directly.

*confused*

 

[Donswife48]

Cruz, .... it was reported that agents were pulled from the Trump rally to cover Jill Bidens event.
After much yelling back and forth...
Rowe admitted agents were pulled to go to the airport for Jill Biden.

Cruz ask how many agents or the ratio performer president Trump events and Biden events.

Rowe refused to answer, said it's not the same, Biden has nuclear capabilities. (This was Jill's event). He refused repeatedly to give the ratio.

I am astonished that they pulled agents from Trump to switch to Jill Biden. It has been reported that she had 12 agents assigned to her indoor speech, as opposed to 3 assigned to Trumps outdoor rally. Wow, that is really the proof of why the SS didn't care about Trump's security. MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

I am astonished that they pulled agents from Trump to switch to Jill Biden. It has been reported that she had 12 agents assigned to her indoor speech, as opposed to 3 assigned to Trumps outdoor rally. Wow, that is really the proof of why the SS didn't care about Trump's security. MOO

The agents pulled were for her airport arrival. Im betting a significant number to cover her and her team getting off the plane with media present.
Moo

 

[Artis]

I believe that were there evidence of this, it would have begun to be uncovered by now. JMO.

Why is that? President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 and there's still a cover up about that.

 

[Simply Southern]

Totally agree - seems irresponsible to share this news before verifying. They won't speculate about anything else during questioning, yet they have no problem sharing this "bombshell". Huh.

MOO

The FBI Representative stated he was commenting due to media reporting.

I think the owner of the company has gone public on social media. There were several articles up thread with comments from the owner.

Moo