Identified! PA - Bensalem, WhtFem 461UFPA, 20-30, pregnant, in pumphouse, Jan'88 - Lisa Todd

[webrocket]

I believe they can determine paternity from the DNA of a child (or in this case fetus) but they would have to be able to extract a sample from the fetus and the father would have to be in a DNA databank to find a match.

 

[Angie4b1g]

Now that I look at the shoes and the sizes again, the smaller shoes are the ones with the backs "cut". So it would make sense that if she wore a larger shoe, they could still belong to her. I would say it's quite possible both pairs of shoes belonged to the victim.

 

[kpdx]

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2495/15https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2495/15

joanne williams is not listed as ruled out, and i don't think anyone has mentioned her yet

height and weight same.

joanne was en route to dance class when she disappeared, and last seen wearing a leotard and jeans. coupled with the shoes (closed toe ones look like dance shoes) and extra change of clothing...seems like a possibility.

joanne's car and purse, etc were later found in her car in west scranton suggesting robbery was not motivating factor.

scranton and bucks county are about 2 hours away as the crow flies.

joanne did go missing in 1978 which would significantly earlier than namus suggests for UID. could be possible reason why they haven't looked at a possible match?

I am just wondering if the location in the pumphouse with water/oil residue would impact decomposition...

 

[CarlK90245]

She does have that same narrow pointy jawline.

There's no DNA available so there's no CODIS rule-out.

Her dentals are available and entered in NamUs, so it should be an easy and quick check for the NamUs case manager.

 

[traacker13]

Her facial structure resembles Marchelle Hanson to me https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11870/9/ . She was pregnant at the time of her disappearance...but for this to be her, their time estimations would have to be off quite a bit. I wonder how they came to estimation on timing that the UID was there?

 

[HMSHood]

http://doenetwork.org/cases/461ufpa.html

Lots of Photos at above link!!


Unidentified White Female

• The victim was discovered on January 24, 1988 in Bensalem, Bucks County, Pennsylvania
  [*]Estimated Date of Death: 1-5 years, most likely more than 3 years, prior to being found.
• Skeletal Remains

Vital Statistics

• Estimated age: 17 - 23 years old
• Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0 - 5'3"; 100 - 120 lbs
• Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair.
• Dentals: Available
• Clothing/Jewelry: Braxton designer jeans, size 8; a purple lace camisole, black leather open-toed platform shoes (size 8 to 8 1/2) and a black bodysuit top. She was also wearing an oval sterling silver ring with five clear stones and five additional stones missing, and a silver colored ring with a belt-and-buckle design. Other clothing found near the remains: a black blouse with gold and silver metallic threads, gray leather high-heeled pump shoes (size 6 to 6 1/2), a white patterned pullover dress and black mesh stockings. It is unknown if the additional clothing belonged to the victim.
• DNA: Available
• Other: She was six months pregnant.

Case History
The victim was located on January 24, 1988, when a man walking his dog discovered the skeletal remains in a valve/pumphouse at the old Publicker distillery property on State Road in Bensalem.
About 8 inches of water and oil fuel had to be pumped out of the vault-like structure to retrieve the remains.
The pumphouse, which is mostly underground, houses pipes and valves that connect to a concrete storage tank, which was once used to store distilled spirits that had been manufactured at the distillery. The distillery was closed down in the early 70s. In 1974, the six huge storage tanks on the property were being used to store fuel oil, which in all likelyhood was the cause of the oil found in the pumphouse. By the time the victim was found, the property had become an illegal dumping ground for stolen vehicles and was well known to local criminals.
Flyers with a picture of the above reconstruction were distributed to school guidance counselors and doctors' offices (particulary obstetrician/gynecologists), clinics and local police departments. Dental records were also distributed. There were, at the time, 50 missing person reports nationwide that fit the description of the woman, but all of them were eliminated from the investigation.

I wonder if there are any missing person reports filed between 1983 to 1987.

 

[kpdx]

just read that tracy byrd has been definitively ruled out via dna, however the suspect in her case is from bucks county. not sure if this means SK, or not.

in the interest of continuing the dialogue, http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/riedling_susan.html

Susan Riedling lived a long distance, but in this case I am not sure that is necessarily meaningful.

She was pregnant in 1986 when she disappeared. There are some similarities with the dentals (crescent shaped front tooth visible in picture)

Hair, demographics seems to line up.

 

[joeytes]

This could be Rose Marie Gayhart.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gayhart_rose.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4934/0/

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/508dfny.html

Unidentified link is below
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2202

Description of teeth are similar (chip on front tooth , missing teeth) Both the missing person and UID were pregnant. Rose Marie Gayhart was living in Florida, perhaps on her way home in NY when she met with foul play.

I submitted a possible match to the Doe Network. I received a reply that one has already been submitted so others are looking into this. DNA is available for both the unidentified person and Rose Marie Gayhart, so a comparison can determine if this is Rose Marie Gayhart or not.

 

[Houston Mom]

https://identifyus.org/cases/2202

Exclusions
The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent: First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
Katherine Anderson 1954 Maryland
Kimberly Blackburn 1958 Indiana
Kimberly Blackburn 1958 Indiana
Bernadette Caruso 1963 Maryland
Susan Cerritelli 1956 Pennsylvania
Amy Matthews 1959 Pennsylvania
Monique McClelland Pennsylvania
Michele Reidenbach 1964 Pennsylvania
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Barbara Shumac 1953 Pennsylvania
Barbara Shumac 1953 Pennsylvania

DNA lab have been working hard!

 

[webmedium]

Hi All, What if Jane Doe was Jan Stonehouse (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1268dfon.html)? The extra clothing and shoes could have belonged to her friend, Darlene Tucker (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/246dfon.html), whom went missing a month before Jan disappeared.

I think it was the same person that abducted both girls and he went to the same high school. All of those payphone calls from Huntsville made by I think Darlene has something to do with her trust fund that her mother set aside for her. Still trying to get some more info on Jan Stonehouse. Have any questions about this please email me; empathic@bwieland.com

 

[Houston Mom]

Here is another one and she would have been 23 if this had occurred back in 1983. She fits the description and the man said they were in Penn.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/350dfon.html

I don't see where Mary Frances Gregory was ever ruled out. Hmmmmm

 

[carbuff]

I don't see where Mary Frances Gregory was ever ruled out. Hmmmmm

I say submit her...

 

[nitsirk]

Bump. I think Jinisina Stonehouse is a good match..although I don't know how she would end up in PA from Canada.

Quoting an old post to add that the I-95 is the main route from Oakille Ontario area to the south. The location of the body was by the I-95.

I think Tucker and Stonehouse should be looked at. Both were thought to have been pregnant when they left home together. Could also be why there are two possible shoe sizes, one from each girl. Height, weight, age matches both of them.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1268dfon.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/246dfon.html

Here is a recent article http://www.insidehalton.com/news-st...tirs-hope-in-community/#.UuhYLmlBo9I.facebook

 

[carbuff]

Ruleouts as of 29 January 2014 has three new names:

Katherine Anderson 1954 Maryland
Kimberly Blackburn 1958 Indiana
Tracy Byrd 1968 Pennsylvania
Bernadette Caruso 1963 Maryland
Susan Cerritelli 1956 Pennsylvania
Charlotte Heimann 1954 New York
Anne Manchester 1954 Delaware
Amy Matthews 1959 Pennsylvania
Monique McClelland Pennsylvania
Michele Reidenbach 1964 Pennsylvania
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Barbara Shumac 1953 Pennsylvania

https://identifyus.org/cases/2202

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I don't see where Mary Frances Gregory was ever ruled out. Hmmmmm

There is no reason to think that Mary Francis was pregnant.

If her male acquaintance is being truthful, he dropped her off at a bus station in NV.

If her male acquaintance is lying, then she probably came to harm during their 10 day trip which wouldn't really give her time to end up 6 mos pregnant.

 

[Ambercat]

I saw a post for a missing 12-13 year old girl named Helen Marie Green, who went missing from Chicago in 1971/72 and thought of this UID. There isn't very much information about Ms. Green, but I thought she had a very similar look to the reconstructions --

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233441

http://meyahna.tripod.com/pg29.html

 

[Caring4Many]

This could be Rose Marie Gayhart.



http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gayhart_rose.html



https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4934/0/



http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/508dfny.html



Unidentified link is below

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2202



Description of teeth are similar (chip on front tooth , missing teeth) Both the missing person and UID were pregnant. Rose Marie Gayhart was living in Florida, perhaps on her way home in NY when she met with foul play.



I submitted a possible match to the Doe Network. I received a reply that one has already been submitted so others are looking into this. DNA is available for both the unidentified person and Rose Marie Gayhart, so a comparison can determine if this is Rose Marie Gayhart or not.

Did you ever receive an answer on this? I'm curious because Rose now has a forum set up & I'd like to try to track which UIDs are ruled out. Seems not to be in her NAMUS at this time. Thank you!

FL FL - Rose Marie Gayhart, missing since 14 March 1985 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[joeytes]

Did you ever receive an answer on this? I'm curious because Rose now has a forum set up & I'd like to try to track which UIDs are ruled out. Seems not to be in her NAMUS at this time. Thank you!

FL FL - Rose Marie Gayhart, missing since 14 March 1985 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

The only answer was that the possible match was submitted already by someone else.

Since Rose Marie Gayhart's family set up a facebook page, I will send a private message to them about the possible match.

 

[Caring4Many]

Thank you for such a fast reply!

 

[rainwater]

I just don't see or think that a visibly pregnant woman would even want to wear high heels. Most women start showing a "baby bump" at about 4 months. The more pregnant you are, the more your balance is off (front-heavy). That baby bump is solid, like a basketball, not like a squishy beach ball. Also the further along a pregnant female is, the more feet and ankles tend to swell, by at least half a shoe size, if not more. JMHO.