PA PA - Brian Wells, 46, Erie, 28 Aug 2003
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I think if I had a bomb strapped around my neck, damn straight I'd make sure the bank gave me the desired amount of money and weren't the notes found consecutively and one of them led him to the weapon he was to use,thus explaining why he couldn't shoot his enslavers. Also I thought I read that he was shot at another location. i think whoever did this was playing with him, it's not like he could get mad about being shot and quit. Maybe they were following him and watching him.pappanick said:
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Odd...This is my first time reading this thread, and when I read the note I was struck by the similarity to the letters sent by the Zodiac. The construction of the note, the seemingly careful lettering, as though copying over a template (as I believe someone else noted here) and the commanding tone...To me, it closely parallels the construction of the school bus bombing letters. Maybe someone took some tips from Robert Graysmith's books...upallnite said:
Actually Up allnite the first note in Wells letter that he was given tells him to "use the weapon you were given." Nowhere in the note does it lead him to the weapon. If someone gave me a gun to commit a crime the first thing I would make sure to do with it is blow their damn head off their shoulders. We would at least be even if a bomb exploded on my chest. He was shot at the location where he delivered the pizzas. 8316 Peach St., which leads back to into a radio tower and some woods. It is rarely accessed unless you are going back there to mess with the towers. Here is my point Upallnite, he is believed to be shot at 8316 Peach St. back in the woods in the knee area. If they shot him and blew his knee out the game would have been OVER! There would have been no game. They would have had to shoot him in this secluded area BUT there would have been no game. The game would have been over. Would they risk shooting him and ruining their devious plan? You see what i am saying. This was at least a YEAR in the making.upallnite said:
Two other things I do not think get enough play in this case. Which I think are important. 1) Wells was mentally challanged to some extent making him the perfect victim. That fact along with the way the plot was carried out and I would bet that at least one if not more people who did this to Wells knew him and well enough that they thought this would work. I believe if the truth ever comes out at least one co-worker will be found to be involved from Moma-Mia's pizza. We will see.
Release the whole note!!
The update tomorrow on AMW will focus on Floyd Stockton Jr.. A man who lived with William Rothstein during the period where this occurred in Erie, PA. Stockton and Rothstein lived together near the radio towers where the pizza's were to be delivered and where Brian Wells went on his delivery. Stockton is a convicted rapist who spent time in jail in Washington state before being released and making his way to Erie, PA. The FBI is focusing on Stockton because he does fit their profile in what they are looking for at this time. Stockton is currently not in jail anymore and I do not know where his whereabouts are at this time but he no longer lives in Erie.
Release the whole note!!
Release the whole note!!
Did anyone watch america's most Wanted tonight? I got lost somewhere. Janet Ponsford (Floyd A. Stockton Jr.'s ex wife) was talking about the similarity between letters she had recieved from someone (i think Floyd ) and the 9 page note handed to Brian Wells. She was saying how there were equal marks everywhere in the notes (=) where they shouldn't be. Also that this person was always crafting items with double J's for her, representing her name Janet and I thought that persons name. I know I'm lost, I hope someone else was watching. They said there are two sets of double J's incorporated into the handmade cane gun. Also interesting that the FBI said that Floyd liked to make pipe bombs and that was basically what the bomb on the bomb collar was. They also said the collar (not so much the bomb) and the cane gun were very similar to Floyd's craftsmanship.
I watched AMW specifically because of this case.
The geist of it is. Jay and Janet Stockton. Double J......that was on the "cane gun". Jay made a clock with the same symbol as in Jay and Janet and gave it to Janet some years ago. It is very distinctive........
Jay Stockton was a wanted criminal and was harboured by that shop teacher(Floyd) Also, Jay (because he has been in Prison for various offences) wrote Janet many, many letters. So he has specific writing and style(hence the = signs), that is specific to a particular person and style.
Also the area that the victim was lured to, was known and used by Jay Stockton with his friend Floyd to make and use pipe bombs. Jay also used to take Janet to this area when they were dating/married.
Also Jay is a manipulative, control freak with a sick sense of humour......abusive and violent.
He was released from Prison in September and not been arrested or charged with any crime related to this case.
I feel that Floyd and Jay were in this together......what sicko's.....Brian never had a chance.......
The geist of it is. Jay and Janet Stockton. Double J......that was on the "cane gun". Jay made a clock with the same symbol as in Jay and Janet and gave it to Janet some years ago. It is very distinctive........
Jay Stockton was a wanted criminal and was harboured by that shop teacher(Floyd) Also, Jay (because he has been in Prison for various offences) wrote Janet many, many letters. So he has specific writing and style(hence the = signs), that is specific to a particular person and style.
Also the area that the victim was lured to, was known and used by Jay Stockton with his friend Floyd to make and use pipe bombs. Jay also used to take Janet to this area when they were dating/married.
Also Jay is a manipulative, control freak with a sick sense of humour......abusive and violent.
He was released from Prison in September and not been arrested or charged with any crime related to this case.
I feel that Floyd and Jay were in this together......what sicko's.....Brian never had a chance.......
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Welcome to Websleuths.....greetings from Canada. I hope that you are doing well in Scotland.
There is not enough evidence in this case to charge anyone. For sometime, LE(Law Enforcement)thought that Brian Wells had "masterminded" this whole scene to rob a bank. After some investigation, it became apparent that Brian Well's was a victim, not asuspect and that he robbed the bank under "extreme" duress and in fear for his life.
But it still is an ongoing case, it is still being investigated. Robert Pinetti, who was Brian Wells co-worker at the Pizza Restaurant died of a drug overdose three days after Brian Wells death. Very, suspicious, some speculate that he was involved.........but maybe he did not know that this would end in the death of Brian Wells and that Robert died of a drug overdose over his part in this crime. No one knows if his death was a result of the crime or had nothing to do with it.
Bill Rothstein - long since died from cancer. But he fit the profile of the FBI profilers Collarbomber. But he left a note saying he did not have anything to do with the crime. But he fit the profile. I am sure that he was involved somehow.......
Jay Stockton -no evidence again. But plently of co-incidences, like the writing and the double J in the cane gun. Close friend of Bill Rothstein.
So until any new and compelling evidence shows up or any one comes forward.........the case is still under investigation.
According to AMW the goal of this "collarbomber" was not the bank robbery......but control. There was no way that Brian Wells could have completed the "list" of the scavenger hunt in the alloted time.
If he did not complete the list, he would have died. The goal was a sick game of a "puppet" master and Brian Wells was the puppet. The puppetmaster held the life of the puppet in his hand and knew that in the end the puppet, as in the human being, Brian Wells would have died either way.
Just sick people, totally sick people.........
Welcome to Websleuths.....greetings from Canada. I hope that you are doing well in Scotland.
There is not enough evidence in this case to charge anyone. For sometime, LE(Law Enforcement)thought that Brian Wells had "masterminded" this whole scene to rob a bank. After some investigation, it became apparent that Brian Well's was a victim, not asuspect and that he robbed the bank under "extreme" duress and in fear for his life.
But it still is an ongoing case, it is still being investigated. Robert Pinetti, who was Brian Wells co-worker at the Pizza Restaurant died of a drug overdose three days after Brian Wells death. Very, suspicious, some speculate that he was involved.........but maybe he did not know that this would end in the death of Brian Wells and that Robert died of a drug overdose over his part in this crime. No one knows if his death was a result of the crime or had nothing to do with it.
Bill Rothstein - long since died from cancer. But he fit the profile of the FBI profilers Collarbomber. But he left a note saying he did not have anything to do with the crime. But he fit the profile. I am sure that he was involved somehow.......
Jay Stockton -no evidence again. But plently of co-incidences, like the writing and the double J in the cane gun. Close friend of Bill Rothstein.
So until any new and compelling evidence shows up or any one comes forward.........the case is still under investigation.
According to AMW the goal of this "collarbomber" was not the bank robbery......but control. There was no way that Brian Wells could have completed the "list" of the scavenger hunt in the alloted time.
If he did not complete the list, he would have died. The goal was a sick game of a "puppet" master and Brian Wells was the puppet. The puppetmaster held the life of the puppet in his hand and knew that in the end the puppet, as in the human being, Brian Wells would have died either way.
Just sick people, totally sick people.........
thankyou for explaining that to me cyberlaw. I couldnt imagine how that poor man must have felt. There are some really sick people in this world. I will never understand why people are so cruel. Hopefully one day somebody will pay for this.
The shop teacher was not named Floyd Cyberlaw. His name is William Rothstein and that is who Jay Stockton lived with near Tower road for some time and during the time this occurred. Obviously you are confused.CyberLaw said:
Rothstein has since died. He was a very smart shop teacher who spoke three languages.
In this article they mention a Floyd A. Stockton. Are Jay and this person the same? This is why I was confused about AMW last night.
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/12350423.htm
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/12350423.htm
I am not confused, except if I read another post without checking my facts first. I should have learned by now.....
Floyd "Jay" Stockton.......convicted felon, alive - good friend of Bill and harboured by Bill to evade criminal charges of Rape
William "Bill" Rothstein - shop teacher, dead, known to Police, weird, manipulative, smart, but devious, suspect in other murders........
Floyd "Jay" Stockton.......convicted felon, alive - good friend of Bill and harboured by Bill to evade criminal charges of Rape
William "Bill" Rothstein - shop teacher, dead, known to Police, weird, manipulative, smart, but devious, suspect in other murders........
So, Floyd Stockton and Jay Stockton are the same person. How confusing is that?:bang: There was a ironic story in our Erie paper about a year ago that talked about the time Stockton spent at Rothsteins house. It talked about one time when the cops came looking for Rothstein and Stockton thought they had come for him. Could you imagine that? "Oh no, the cops are here for me!" "Oh you didn't come for me but for Bill."-- "O.K. how can I help you officer."
I will say I am surprised Stockton's wife did not come forward sooner and was interviewed intensely about his case earlier. It is TWO years later! And why did it take the AMW detective to conduct these interviews and unearth this information? Shouldn't the FBI be doing more of this? The biggest problem with these people coming forward is that they all have an axe to grind. Stockton's wife and Marjorie Diehl. Diehl isn't the person you would want on the stand in court. That is for sure. She is still bitter about Rothstein putting her away for an old murder she committed. Stockton's wife could be bitter about the way things ended between her and Jay. I am still very disturbed about the legnth of time it took for her to come forward.
I will say I am surprised Stockton's wife did not come forward sooner and was interviewed intensely about his case earlier. It is TWO years later! And why did it take the AMW detective to conduct these interviews and unearth this information? Shouldn't the FBI be doing more of this? The biggest problem with these people coming forward is that they all have an axe to grind. Stockton's wife and Marjorie Diehl. Diehl isn't the person you would want on the stand in court. That is for sure. She is still bitter about Rothstein putting her away for an old murder she committed. Stockton's wife could be bitter about the way things ended between her and Jay. I am still very disturbed about the legnth of time it took for her to come forward.
Nobody has been charged with this murder yet. The process has been slow and confusing. Erieite's have felt all along (wrong or not) that the FBI and law enforcement didn't reach out for the public's help from the beginning. The slow release of any new information has been frustrating to all.hukster16 said:
Even the people that have come forward in this case may have an axe to grind and may not have the purest of intentions. Some still think Diehl was in on the plot herself. If she wasn't then it is interesting who would have been the third person at the tower who Wells talked about. Could that have been someone Well's knew who set him up to these two?
There just is not enough evidence yet to tie all this confusion together.
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I forgot how to get to these cold case threads! :doh:
Found this from America's Most Wanted site:
It's good they have a description, I hope they make some arrests soon. I will never forget this case and watching it live on tv. Prayers for his family to find peace and hopefully some answers.
Found this from America's Most Wanted site:
It's good they have a description, I hope they make some arrests soon. I will never forget this case and watching it live on tv. Prayers for his family to find peace and hopefully some answers.