Found Deceased PA - Dakota James, 23, Pittsburgh, 25 Jan 2017 #2

[OnTheBreeze]

I have lived near these rivers my entire life, partied by them in my teens, walked across the bridges hundreds of times, alone and with friends, after partying in the city. Never ever did any of us ever fall into the river or go down flights of stairs to pee in the river. Never when partying on the river docks or walking the bridges. It is a ridiculous assumption. He would not be on some rickety old boat when his apartment was 2 blocks away. It makes no sense. He either jumped (which I doubt ) or he was put there. I am speaking of DJ but, what about Jimmy Slack?

Maybe I didn't word it correctly but, I do not think he went down to the river to pee either. I agree that it is most likely not what anyone would do. I have lived in Pittsburgh my whole life and going near the river would never enter my mind. Drunk or sober. I was just trying to open the possibility that for maybe some strange and illogical reason DJ did go there to pee. Maybe he had been there before and knew the way down. I don't know. I am trying to look at this from all angles. I was simply trying point out that we really can never say what another person would do even if all logic points to the opposite. I honestly see no reason for anyone to go down near any of the rivers at night. For any reason. I feel like if someone suggested a hookup or meet up or anything and said "let's meet on the river trail" I would think they were nuts. Like it was said before why didn't he just go in the alley? Honestly if I was drunk and tried to pee in any alley but for whatever reason was stopped (someone passing by) I would never think to go down to the river. I would be more likely to pee my pants after trying to find somewhere else and coming up empty. I think I would have just tried to make it home.

 

[SomeoneElse333]

Maybe I didn't word it correctly but, I do not think he went down to the river to pee either. I agree that it is most likely not what anyone would do. I have lived in Pittsburgh my whole life and going near the river would never enter my mind. Drunk or sober. I was just trying to open the possibility that for maybe some strange and illogical reason DJ did go there to pee. Maybe he had been there before and knew the way down. I don't know. I am trying to look at this from all angles. I was simply trying point out that we really can never say what another person would do even if all logic points to the opposite. I honestly see no reason for anyone to go down near any of the rivers at night. For any reason. I feel like if someone suggested a hookup or meet up or anything and said "let's meet on the river trail" I would think they were nuts. Like it was said before why didn't he just go in the alley? Honestly if I was drunk and tried to pee in any alley but for whatever reason was stopped (someone passing by) I would never think to go down to the river. I would be more likely to pee my pants after trying to find somewhere else and coming up empty. I think I would have just tried to make it home.

So true! I wouldn't go near that river at night. I was weirded out enough going down there on a bright Sunday morning. With sweet geese all around. He was just a few minutes' walk from his apartment...he likely would have held it or gone somewhere else.

I keep going back to the police stating almost definitively that it ended at the bridge. What made them say that? I can't remember but were they referring to the Clemente Bridge?

 

[Plaw8766]

Wrong side of the river

 

[BA1973]

 

[BA1973]

I went for a walk this afternoon where the cadaver dogs hit on the scent back in the beginning of February. This was my first time down there. I had trouble loading the photos here, but I took one of what looks like a smiley face and also the spot where the water search was where the dogs hit. The face was painted near that spot. Not sure how long that was there, but either someone is playing a sick joke or...?? Photos posted separate from this post.

 

[M-Henry]

This is my city, so I'll briefly comment on this one so as to not take too much focus from DJ being the subject of this forum.
This gentleman in the photo is Brad Verret.
There's not near as much coverage on this as DJ. There's not much talk, not much info, not as much search organization etc (though there has been some).
From different things I've read and discussed with people, there is definitely known history of internal struggle and recent and current and tapering from certain medications...none of this is secret. Brad had been a strong voice against use of certain medications due to their side effects, withdrawl symptoms etc.
I'm not saying there isn't some connection, or that there is evidence that Brad definitely something to himself.
I'm just saying that there are differences going on here and IMO likely not much of a link.

Does this not sound a lot like Dakota ?

cont

WS got stuck

small - just like Dakota

petite - just like Dakota

short-cropped hair - just like Dakota

innocent looking - just like Dakota

not profoundly manly looking - just like Dakota

gainfully employed Dow Chemical - just like Dakota

college educated - just like Dakota

26

athletic hiking and mountain biking -just like Dakota

seen on video walking past his car - again heading somewhere other than home . - just like Dakota

200 miles apart right down expressways 18 wheelers use a lot? speculating


2 out of the 40 concerning cases were charged as a murder - one of the two being overturned after initially tagged as accidental drowning as a result of cocktails.

http://www.adamquirk.me/blog/2017/2/26/update-2-more-smiley-face-murder-victims

http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/kenhorst-man-reported-missing

Here is story on the one that went missing 13 days after Dakota -- Reading PA

 

[shandram19]

I think SFK has been blown off by so many is because of the stupid name!

If all along, this would have been called "The River Stalker" I think it would be a different deal.

what is your emotional response to headline:

Smiley Face Killer Strikes Again

or

"RIver Stalker Kills Again"


I think FBI would be following the RIver Stalker. moo

If media would follow these killings by MO few IMO, would not think some of this is interconnected. By one person, and copy cats.

WIth all the media coverage, folks inclination have learned they don't get caught.

Thats a pretty potent reason to use the same MO I would think.

I only know of one, can not remember the name where the parents did not buy this men dropping into water and dying stuff.

In that case , sure enough it was changed to murder. Wanna know why?

Cops missed (?) a clump of his hair in his hand - he was trying to get the person drowning his hands off the back of his head.

So, we have a 100% thus far, when throw away undetermined, it ends up converted to murder.

It sad that staffing levels result in LE all over the country having a much dtronger desrie to close cases than solve thm ...and so it shall continue.

AM I saying there are not incidents of people , while drunk, falling and drowning, of course not!

But the notion that every one of these incidents end up with those determinations is IMO kinda stupid .

Zachary Marr had the where with all to text friends of what had just occurred (locked out ) , logic aaly waited for some time for them to come out of the bar and then authorities is so blasted (after not having any alcohol for god know how long) and plummets to his death CAUSE of alcohol. I think Zach was suicide, but not planned, more of passing the river and being despondent over his grandmother's passing and ended up it Fuc* It and jumped.

What took me there was when I read how close he was to her, and the profound intensity of their relationship.

As far as I know to this date, there has been no mention, ever, of "a" mother involved. Stands to reason that gma would have a pivotal role in the young mans life.

SO lets role with that being true. Another case where this accidental drowning just is not the case.

If someone can remember the name of the guy who was in a truck, called his parents, they went looking for him and he was gone that would be great . The one where there was like a grunt on the cellphone before it went off

Are you thinking of Brandon Larson in texas?

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[ChuckMaureen]

https://mic.com/articles/62165/suic...s-here-s-how-i-m-trying-to-stop-it#.54iuUAGAC

Suicide is the third-leading cause of death among millennials. We are a generation coping with dangerous levels of stress, stagnation, and limited resources to address suicide risk factors. Millennials, in particular, are found to have the highest rates of perceived stress when compared to other generations. Our generation engages in behaviors fraught with risk such as drugs, drinking, and driving under the influence, and emotional health among college students continues to fall year after year.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/suicide-datasheet-a.pdf

Suicide is the third leading cause of death amongpersons aged 10-14, the second among personsaged 15-34 years

 

[ChuckMaureen]

http://www.voxmagazine.com/news/fea...cle_533c1384-fe5b-5321-84ae-8070ec158f17.html

bbm

Suicide is the second leading killer of college students — a rate that has tripled since 1950, according to the ACHA. Dan Jones, past president of the Association for University and College Counseling Center Directors, has noted an increase in self-harm behavior, including suicide ideation or cutting. Professionals say the young people they see have trouble expressing feelings and dealing with discomfort or negative emotions. “Millennials don’t feel comfortable struggling,” Jones says. “They don’t have the resilience of previous generations.” He attributes this to a lack of problem-solving skills due to parents continually removing all obstacles for their children.
College age millennials were taught they were unique compared to others. And in the case of mental health, it seems to ring true.

Researchers and mental health professionals explain the gap between college students’ tireless efforts to appear put together and their inward unraveling as the “duck syndrome.” The term was first coined at Stanford University for the common conception that anxiety and failure are seen as unacceptable at the school, and it was closely mirrored by the term “Penn Face” at the University of Pennsylvania, where students have striven to appear happy even when they aren’t.
The idea is this: Picture a duck swimming across a lake or pond. On the surface, the duck seems to be gliding along effortlessly, gracefully. But beneath the surface, the duck’s webbed feet are busy paddling — frantic, fraught, desperate — to keep itself afloat.

No disrespect intended to DJ or his family, but this article highlights problem points associated with the current generation. Families can be blind to their son's or daughter's struggles, perhaps even delusional in their disbelief that something could ever be wrong with them. The typical result is families are shocked, surprised to learn of their child's struggles, "He was always smiling, always said he loved us, was doing well and had big plans!"

Well.

 

[CARIIS]

Are you thinking of Brandon Larson in texas?

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There are so many that have so many similar profiles IMO

 

[shandram19]

There are so many that have so many similar profiles IMO

Here are his threads on websleuths

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222105

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237748

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[AzPistonsGirl]

There are so many that have so many similar profiles IMO

do you guys man Brandon Lawson? If so, IMO, the circumstances are not at all similar.

ETA: I see Shandram linked Brandon's threads, thank you!

 

[bluesneakers]

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Jimmy just learned about that case ...hummm

-date of disappearance and being found is guess what 6 weeks. Humm

_he worked on the waterways, on a barge! Waterway worker who is on slippery things for a living and in her goes.

- I don't really know but I am assuming on a barge requires some strength - so we have a strong guy who works on the water who can't get out of some water?

--Cops claim he was highly intoxicated, but was seperated from his gfriend at 930 that night - spoke with his parents via cell three in morning - so exactly how LE knows he was highly intoxicated is baffling.

- he was found in a location that had been previously search intensely by LE.


Body found around here, notice the gentile angle into the water- a guy who works on moving barges apparently could not navigate this gentle incline

Temp that day 52/39 no snow no rain

https://www.wunderground.com/histor...statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

Goggle images

http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com/2012/04/120711-jimmy-slack-25-pittsburgh-pa.html

Oops. Deleted.

My reading comprehension skills failed me.

 

[CARIIS]

do you guys man Brandon Lawson? If so, IMO, the circumstances are not at all similar.

ETA: I see Shandram linked Brandon's threads, thank you!

No that was not the one

 

[CARIIS]

This is my city, so I'll briefly comment on this one so as to not take too much focus from DJ being the subject of this forum.
This gentleman in the photo is Brad Verret.
There's not near as much coverage on this as DJ. There's not much talk, not much info, not as much search organization etc (though there has been some).
From different things I've read and discussed with people, there is definitely known history of internal struggle and recent and current and tapering from certain medications...none of this is secret. Brad had been a strong voice against use of certain medications due to their side effects, withdrawl symptoms etc.
I'm not saying there isn't some connection, or that there is evidence that Brad definitely something to himself.
I'm just saying that there are differences going on here and IMO likely not much of a link.

This traint are from Brad Verret missing report. Only mo the similarities are striking. What would a difference be?

. Its even more scary in that it was only a little bit after Dakota , 200 miles apart, with a major interstate connecting the two locations

IMO discussing situations that are similar to Dakota case. We are just discussing mysteries similar to Dakota, since the finding yesterday - which completes the similarity (found deceased in body of water, 24 hrs ago).

I think that is the reason why comparisons are emerging now.

Because him 1) being found on water, 2)deceased,
3) with cell phone
4) in area had been searched before .

That adds 4 new elements to the tragedy that mirror other situations. moo

 

[Factbased]

Suicide...that keeps rearing it's ugly head. It's so easy to dismiss these cases as suicide or accidental by means of peeing.

Think about where he was found. I went there. It's industrial with a few homes, mostly trailers and campers sparsely spread around. This body of water is a channel of the Ohio River. We spoke to many people, including businesses along that route. ALL said they do not believe he just floated there. Their reasoning?
1) if he was in the Ohio this entire time he would have most likely been found in the main body of water on the other side of the island, not in the channel.
2) if he came from the Ohio River into the channel he would have encountered the dam. Going over that dam would have caused serious external damage to the body. The police said there was none. They said his clothes were intacted.
3) where he was found was nowhere close to where he supposedly went in the water. Given the temps and current he shouldn't have made it that far...yet.
4) there is a place right up the street from where DJ was found that is secluded, under a bridge, right past the dam that a body could be placed in the water and sent down stream.
This place... I have to say it's a creepy kind of place and you can tell it's a place were not so good things may occur...that last line is strictly my opinion. Yes, there was a smiley face that was more freshly painted than the other graffiti, but to say it's related is again me speculating, nothing more.

Now before some of you start throwing me to the websleuth wolves, please note that these are comments from the folks living and working there and it does merit discussion rather than dismissal.

IMO let's get off the urination theory. We've beat that one to pieces.
Accidental by other means or suicide? Not if you are buying into the above points from the locals in that area.

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[CARIIS]

what is the exact name of the river where they say they last saw him and is there an exact name of the place where they found him?

I wonder if we can do some current stuff

Fact-based- is the place of the dam you saw and the direction of the current make sense in terms of where he was found

Just mo if one has a mssing person, and obtain video, it seems it might be more helpful to release them pretty quickly- jog memories

it took like months and months before joey was released makes no sense t ome -- never has

 

[bluesneakers]

what is the exact name of the river where they say they last saw him and is there an exact name of the place where they found him?

I wonder if we can do some current stuff

Fact-based- is the place of the dam you saw and the direction of the current make sense in terms of where he was found

Just mo if one has a mssing person, and obtain video, it seems it might be more helpful to release them pretty quickly- jog memories

it took like months and months before joey was released makes no sense t ome -- never has

He was last seen near the Allegheny River very close to where it meets the Mon, and was found in the Ohio.

It can be confusing because there are three names even though it's really only two rivers.

 

[CARIIS]

Starting to wonder if we might be talking about folks who drive for a living. I dont think serial killer (I would think FBI would catch that imo)

More than one perp , more of copy cat MO that seem successful. Out of 40 similar situations, 38 never prosecuted.

38 who urinated or are unable to walk steady enough to make it to their nearby place of residence.