Found Deceased PA - Dakota James, 23, Pittsburgh, 25 Jan 2017 #2

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I think the tox screen will absolutely have something to do with the manner of death and will help them lean one way or the other.

Who's to say drugs didn't play a role in an accidental death? They have to cover all their bases.

I am not by any means saying that the victim was a drug addict but among young people and especially in bars or clubs, drugs get passed around. It's a lot more common than people think.

I guess I don't understand what the big deal is with the tox report. It's standard for suspicious deaths...


For me , the tox report is not like a big deal. Should be done IMO. My deal is agencies claiming they can't release anything until that is done.

He had been bar hopping. We all know he had consumed alcohol. We know how death in and of itself actually MAKES booze.

Isn't, tho, the only real question at this point is how long he had been submerged , and/or alive when entering the water?

IMo, that is far more important than BAL , which has without doubt been proven , in water-related deaths, to be pretty meaningless .

If they found date rape stuff - well that adds a dimension, but I do not know if that shows up after a month and half.

We also know from motor accidents , that a prelim level can be obtained in hours . In these cases they usually don't do anything for months.

They can throw it in the "we know nothing' file and be done with it.

just moo
 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15577518

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[h=4]BACKGROUND:[/h]Drowning without aspiration of liquid, generally attributed to death from asphyxia while submerged and in laryngospasm, has been reported to occur in approximately 10% to 15% of drowning victims.


[h=4]OBJECTIVES:[/h]The occurrence of "dry-drowning" recently has been questioned and the hypothesis developed that "dry-lungs" in bodies found dead in the water could conceal more natural deaths than previously recognized.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_drowning

Laryngospasm: The person may effectively drown without any sort of liquid. In cases of dry drowning in which the victim was immersed, very little fluid is aspirated into the lungs. The laryngospasm reflex essentially causes asphyxiation and neurogenic pulmonary edema.

A "no water in the lungs" case is NOT always indicative of a person having been deceased before submersion.
 
Dakota's mom has a petition she would like everyone to sign on her Facebook concerning the surveillance cameras in Pittsburgh....




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Dakota's mom has a petition she would like everyone to sign on her Facebook concerning the surveillance cameras in Pittsburgh....




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Pam James didn't start that petition. One of the supporters did. It appears the family is helping to push it to the public to sign.

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I keep going back to where DJ was found. Based on that location I am not buying into suicide or accidental death by peeing. My money is on accidental due to hookup gone awry and partner dumped body or foul play. I am not buying he just floated to that back channel through the locks and dam without being battered or clothes torn.
I have read every single comment on now two threads on this topic. Many make good points. Others try to base their theories on strictly scientific research etc. thus taking the human element out of the equation. I have taken your scientific reasoning and bumped it against what folks on the ground have said. Parents, friends, people in the bar, Police on the scene and most recently folks where the body was found. Call me what you want. Go ahead and shake the websleuth stick at me. I just have this feeling we are going to find out someone put in that channel. If I'm wrong I will write an apology note to ever said this was suicide or he did this alone accidentally for doubting you. Just send me your name.
Time will tell. We will have to see what little nuggets are released by PPD.
That is all.....

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re: "going over the dam would have caused serious external damage to the body"
This is incorrect and so are your images. Hitting the water like this or floating through a damn is like hitting concrete. Anyone who has been tubing can tell you that and that the next day their bodies are filled with contusions and large bruises. I have participated in these searches for Dakota and lived in Pgh all my life. I have walked the same steps time and time again at the same time of night he did. Being in the water that long no one could identify if he were male or female let alone an ear. Dakota did not do this to himself, someone did this to him. They will be found, because now an entire city is engaged in this search for answers.
 
He was walking in Katz Plaza without the slightest appearance of intoxication....one foot perfectly in front of the other, walking and texting using multitasking skills.
 
re: "going over the dam would have caused serious external damage to the body"
This is incorrect and so are your images. Hitting the water like this or floating through a damn is like hitting concrete. Anyone who has been tubing can tell you that and that the next day their bodies are filled with contusions and concrete. I have participated in these searches for Dakota and lived in Pgh all my life. I have walked the same steps time and time again at the same time of night he did. Being in the water that long no one could identify if he were male or female let alone an ear. Dakota did not do this to himself, someone did this to him. They will be found, because now an entire city is engaged in this search for answers.
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I keep going back to where DJ was found. Based on that location I am not buying into suicide or accidental death by peeing. My money is on accidental due to hookup gone awry and partner dumped body or foul play. I am not buying he just floated to that back channel through the locks and dam without being battered or clothes torn.
I have read every single comment on now two threads on this topic. Many make good points. Others try to base their theories on strictly scientific research etc. thus taking the human element out of the equation. I have taken your scientific reasoning and bumped it against what folks on the ground have said. Parents, friends, people in the bar, Police on the scene and most recently folks where the body was found. Call me what you want. Go ahead and shake the websleuth stick at me. I just have this feeling we are going to find out someone put in that channel. If I'm wrong I will write an apology note to ever said this was suicide or he did this alone accidentally for doubting you. Just send me your name.
Time will tell. We will have to see what little nuggets are released by PPD.
That is all.....

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I think you will find a few posters here agree with what you say. IMO it wasn't suicide or going down to the river to pee either. I think he met with some kind of foul play. What a shame there wasn't better cctv surveillance of where Dakota went exactly.
And as i myself have stated some of these river deaths are just too coincidental to be a coincidence. IMO.
 
I keep going back to where DJ was found. Based on that location I am not buying into suicide or accidental death by peeing. My money is on accidental due to hookup gone awry and partner dumped body or foul play. I am not buying he just floated to that back channel through the locks and dam without being battered or clothes torn.
I have read every single comment on now two threads on this topic. Many make good points. Others try to base their theories on strictly scientific research etc. thus taking the human element out of the equation. I have taken your scientific reasoning and bumped it against what folks on the ground have said. Parents, friends, people in the bar, Police on the scene and most recently folks where the body was found. Call me what you want. Go ahead and shake the websleuth stick at me. I just have this feeling we are going to find out someone put in that channel. If I'm wrong I will write an apology note to ever said this was suicide or he did this alone accidentally for doubting you. Just send me your name.
Time will tell. We will have to see what little nuggets are released by PPD.
That is all.....

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I also believe this was no accident and his body was placed into the water to cover up a crime.
I can't say for sure if I believe in the whole serial killer aspect of it but would not be surprised if there is some history of depravity that comes to light via hindsight, if that person is ever caught.

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Exactly! I have walked Liberty day and night with no problems and visited the same bars many of times. The previous post is a serious exaggeration.
 
I also believe this was no accident and his body was placed into the water to cover up a crime.
I can't say for sure if I believe in the whole serial killer aspect of it but would not be surprised if there is some history of depravity that comes to light via hindsight, if that person is ever caught.

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Actually, I also do not believe this was an accident. I only wrote that to appease the ones who keep telling me this was strictly an accident. :)
I feel like a few folks on this page do not want to entertain the notion that this very well could be foul play anymore than LE does.



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I also believe this was no accident and his body was placed into the water to cover up a crime.

I can't say for sure if I believe in the whole serial killer aspect of it but would not be surprised if there is some history of depravity that comes to light via hindsight, if that person is ever caught.

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I'm starting to think about people using a river as a weapon.
 
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I agree. I do not think 23-year-old healthy dudes all over the place are peeing themselves to their deaths. This generation is in far better health than the last one. (Gym stuff) .

IF the general inclination, from the get -go was to "head" for another intoxicated accident, and you finally obtain video with him stumbliing all over the place -- why release only a still?

Another thing that did occur to me is they way LE played it (regarding getting bounced) it might have actually been a misunderstanding.

If I walked into a quiet bar on a weeknight I might have thought the bar bought us a pizza and picked up a slice.

They then concluded that he was so blasted he is stealing pizza from strangers.

Could have been a high strung bartender.

There has been no mention of any garbled texts. I would think someone so blasted that they are overtly eating other people's food, they might not be able to text while walking , in darkness. while completely blasted.

Body language says a lot, his posture etc looks fine.

I do think money has role here as well. Its cheaper to put him in the inclusive pile and move on.

Why agencies are so resistant to this became even more confusing when I learned another guy died close in proximity (for a trucker) and time.

It is also peculiar that they are not reporting initial preliminary notions clearly point to water in the lungs. There has been no mention as it relates to time in water.

That also makes me think duration in water was less than a month and a half.

The silence makes me think that is not the case-.

They also have themselves a political potato here that others have not.

Obviously, IMO the mayor told them they had better hold a presser and outline every single thing they did. IMO that showed incompetence more than a cohesive investigation.

By that I mean I was surprised at how long it took them to obtain a lot of stuff.

Again body language talks - IMO- he was not pleased with having to do so.

If he was so blasted, they could have easily and early on, based on receipts , reported that the two of them bought 19 drinks between them or whatever.

We also know they ate - impacting speed of absorption.

In addition,, unlike Zach, the temperature that evening was not gruesome . He was clothed as well - so a possibility of hypothermia before water is unlikely.

It also, was a reasonable time of night, after some drinking , to decide to hook up with someone before going home for the evening.

I suppose he may have been drugged- but wouldn't that make texting in the dark while walking more difficult.

It does not seem like he went in the opposite direction of his home, which also would seem to indicate orientation.

They were bar hopping- in public- there have been no reports (as far as we know) of people noticing a bombed couple stumbling about downtown or riding subways.

Sadly I do not think we will ever know. If Joey was not changed to murder, (without some of the political dancing as in this case) this one (IMO) officials have more incentive tossing it into the ever-growing list of men falling into rivers in that region.

We have not heard, publically, at least, that the serving staff in the other place, or patrons, describing them as bombed before leaving.

It is my understanding that the two bars are close to each other. They were only in Images a short time, further reducing the likelihood of increasing drinking.

I do not really buy the Smiley Face thing, only in the context of the smiling faces being painted at the scenes. There are some ,

Nor am I saying I think all of these are interrelated. But I do think some of them are connected, with Grindr or other similar apps a piece of the puzzle.

I do not understand the resistance to this.

Pedophiles use the internet for pray.

In the past newspaper classifieds have been used to hunt.

Grindr is a huge part of this age groups socialization.

in gay bars, the app lays a new kind of social network onto an old one

101 murders have been linked to Craigslist


Rape, murder and stalkers: the real risks of Tinder

What is the reason for resistance for this ?

Might it possibly be because we are talking about two men having sex? The only way to explore this angle would result in heterosexual cops have to sort through a bunch of erect di@k pics - there might be some influence in what appears to be a resistance to exploring this avenue!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...apps-grindr-tinder-gay-straight-people-dating

http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/relationships/2014/10/09/tinder-app-risks/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...victims-on-craigslist/?utm_term=.1a1197fc463f
 
He was walking in Katz Plaza without the slightest appearance of intoxication....one foot perfectly in front of the other, walking and texting using multitasking skills.

And might I add dashing posture-I am serious
 
Dakota's body must of been released funeral service has been set for March 25... This is according to Pamela James Facebook...


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Dakota's body must of been released funeral service has been set for March 25... This is according to Pamela James Facebook...


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She posted that same info on the 10th.
It's only the 12th today. The 24th is still a long way off to be having a released body at a funeral home. My guess is that the ME gave them a date earlier this week regarding when the body will be released (close to 24th). I suspect that more details will come out closer to that date or maybe after the service.
It would be agonizing to wait so long to bury a loved one, especially when you've already searched for weeks on end to find them.

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She posted that same info on the 10th.
It's only the 12th today. The 24th is still a long way off to be having a released body at a funeral home. My guess is that the ME gave them a date earlier this week regarding when the body will be released (close to 24th). I suspect that more details will come out closer to that date or maybe after the service.
It would be agonizing to wait so long to bury a loved one, especially when you've already searched for weeks on end to find them.

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If money is an issue , I wish they would jut announce that they will get a second autopsy, and then not do it , just to keep folks on their toes and on the straight narrow


Does she have a twitter link?

Facebook link?

TIA
 

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