PA - infant Leon Katz murdered, twin injured, allegedly by babysitter, Pittsburgh- June 24, 2024

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Hope this is an allowable source. Here's another article I think contains valuable info about sometimes the child abuse diagnosis is wrong. I especially learned some new stuff towards the bottom where it talks about the expert child abuse doctors' contracts, grants, & income motivators that may be at play at times in over diagnosis of abuse.

Can't believe The Atlantic would ever be considered non- allowable . Especially for length and depth!!! I actually get it hardcopy..and KEEP them. Ok enuf of my feelings about A.
But, it's such a good read. I think it is good that we are all trying to consider the breadth and extremes in this situation.
I just wish we would here any ANYthing from her.
And as I keep harping, where is ANY support system.
 
The point I was trying to make was that she wasn't even alone for any length of time, with the mother napping. If she was inflicting those injuries on AK in that short time with the mother in the house napping, I would think the screams from the baby would be piercingly loud & extremely alarming to even neighbors. Don't you think so?
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I would think so, yes.
 
It sounds like AK's facial scratch supposedly happened in the afternoon when the group was on the outing.

The hallway between the bedrooms may have been out of EK's eyesight but wouldn't have been out of either parents' earshot. (The mother was napping in one of those bedrooms.) Apparently the mother didn't wake up. And I'd think EK would have mentioned it if the baby was screaming. Some babies do fuss with diaper changes but I'd think the sound would be different from the typical diaper change fussing if his genitals were being acutely injured enough at that time to cause residual redness, bleeding and bruising.



I don't know what the state means by its use of the word torture. It sounds like it refers to LK merely based on the order of the 4 factors used for the DP justification. But the document does have oddities IMO. And while torture is illegal in many PA statutes, it seems PA has been debating child torture bills for several years that haven't passed. (Critics say they are unnecessary as the actions described are already illegal.) From the latest bill to be introduced "The bill provides a detailed definition of "torture" that includes various acts such as severing limbs, depriving the child of food or water, and subjecting the child to extreme temperatures or sexual abuse." PA - HB2181

Full text can be found here: Bill Information - House Bill 2181; Regular Session 2023-2024



I guess the term torture could apply to AK as well as LK. (But I'm still not convinced doctors initially thought AK was abused.) Also the way the above is written, it almost makes it sound like the criminal injury to either twin would warrant capital punishment and I don't think that's what is meant in the written document.

MOO
Appreciate you analysis here. Pennsylvania, itself, IS on trial / display here as well
 
And as I keep harping, where is ANY support system.
One article stated that her parents and family stand fully behind her and visit the jail often. That’s about all I saw in the way of support. Likley academic friends/ mentors don’t want to commit to statements because they just don’t fully understand what occurred or why .
 
A few snippets from the PCA seen on Law&Crime video linked. Names changed to initials by me, also underlining by me.

timestamp 3.25:

"baby bouncer/seat, padding under the baby bouncer/seat, and a baby monitor system. Detectives obtained measurements of the baby bouncer/seat, which measured eighteen inches from the tallest point of the seat to the floor."

timestamp 4.24:

"As for injuries sustained by John Doe, NV stated that she observed the injury to Doe's penis first and alerted his parents. She also photographed the injury and sent it to EK. She also stated that Doe sustained a scratch to his face while she was placing him in the car seat and he flailed his arms."

timestamp 4.37 to 4.48:

"It should also be noted that on 06/16/2024, your affiant spoke with SR and EK via telephone. Both parents denied causing any injuries to John Doe. EK stated that he was made aware of John Doe's injuries from NV. NV was changing the baby in the hallway between the two bedrooms, which was out of EK's eyesight. SR..."

Still seems odd to me to take a photo, had a trophy vibe. It was an apartment, why not bring the baby to him and his brother? MOOO.
 
Still seems odd to me to take a photo, had a trophy vibe. It was an apartment, why not bring the baby to him and his brother? MOOO.
I guess the only defense of that is that she wanted him to see exactly what she was observing, and make a record of it? It’s so difficult to ascertain her motives: If she’s guilty of causing intentional harm, then I view it one way. If not, then I see it another way….. really oscillate back and forth on my opinion at this juncture…
 
I wondered if it was a distraction technique with a photo of a very specific small area so that he wouldn't come to attend to his possible crying or screaming, and see further injuries, before she got him fully re-dressed.
 
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If they all went somewhere earlier in the day on 6/15, how were the babies carried? Stroller, baby Bjorn type thing, sling? Is it possible whatever carrier AK was in compressed his genitals and caused swelling/redness, and the scratches came from him flailing around earlier in the day/previous day? Were they fresh scratches or scabbed over? Can investigators tell what may have caused them? How could an adult scratch a newborn's penis - weird question but honestly, I see the scratches as being self inflicted.

IMHO whatever happened to him must have happened before the diaper change.

In the case of LK, the bouncer could have been on a table or counter. I didn't see anything in the PCA about where the bouncer was, just that the seat measured 18 inches from the floor. If the bouncer was on the floor, then yeah, a skull fracture is not consistent with that. But if it were placed on a table or counter, that's different.

I feel like the choices here are that both incidents were accidents, or NV is a sociopath/has severe mental health issues.

We'll see what the evidence shows.
 
I guess the only defense of that is that she wanted him to see exactly what she was observing, and make a record of it? It’s so difficult to ascertain her motives: If she’s guilty of causing intentional harm, then I view it one way. If not, then I see it another way….. really oscillate back and forth on my opinion at this juncture…
Taking the photo and texting it to EK was the most expedient way to handle it IMHO. She could have called for him, but risked waking the mother. She could have texted "please come to the baby changing station" or whatever and then shown him. But taking the photo and sending it guarantees he's going to show up very soon and know why she wanted him to.
 
If they all went somewhere earlier in the day on 6/15, how were the babies carried? Stroller, baby Bjorn type thing, sling? Is it possible whatever carrier AK was in compressed his genitals and caused swelling/redness, and the scratches came from him flailing around earlier in the day/previous day? Were they fresh scratches or scabbed over? Can investigators tell what may have caused them? How could an adult scratch a newborn's penis - weird question but honestly, I see the scratches as being self inflicted.

IMHO whatever happened to him must have happened before the diaper change.

In the case of LK, the bouncer could have been on a table or counter. I didn't see anything in the PCA about where the bouncer was, just that the seat measured 18 inches from the floor. If the bouncer was on the floor, then yeah, a skull fracture is not consistent with that. But if it were placed on a table or counter, that's different.

I feel like the choices here are that both incidents were accidents, or NV is a sociopath/has severe mental health issues.

We'll see what the evidence shows.
I definitely agree that it is one of the other of your two choices.
 
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I guess the only defense of that is that she wanted him to see exactly what she was observing, and make a record of it? It’s so difficult to ascertain her motives: If she’s guilty of causing intentional harm, then I view it one way. If not, then I see it another way….. really oscillate back and forth on my opinion at this juncture…
So why not call him, or, if she didn't want to wake the mom, just bring the baby to where he was, as she likely did shortly after creating the image? He was in a apartment, steps away, not deployed? MOOO.
 
So why not call him, or, if she didn't want to wake the mom, just bring the baby to where he was, as she likely did shortly after creating the image? He was in an apartment, steps away, not deployed? MOOO.
Possibly he was busy on the computer, or she wanted to make a record of what she saw. She’s going to have to explain her actions to her attorney, law enforcement, and prosecutors.
 
Possibly he was busy on the computer, or she wanted to make a record of what she saw. She’s going to have to explain her actions to her attorney, law enforcement, and prosecutors.
The wanting to make a record rather than just taking the baby to the awake and nearby parent for them to LOOK AT HIM is what seems odd and trophy like to me. More facts to come. MOOO. I'm sure both parents LOOKED at the baby and did not rely on her image, it's like the image was for HER or part of drama or fictitious disorder attention seeking or something. JMHO.
 
The wanting to make a record rather than just taking the baby to the awake and nearby parent for them to LOOK AT HIM is what seems odd and trophy like to me. More facts to come. MOOO. I'm sure both parents LOOKED at the baby and did not rely on her image, it's like the image was for HER or part of drama or fictitious disorder attention seeking or something. JMHO.
It’s possible, yes.
 
Taking the photo and texting it to EK was the most expedient way to handle it IMHO. She could have called for him, but risked waking the mother. She could have texted "please come to the baby changing station" or whatever and then shown him. But taking the photo and sending it guarantees he's going to show up very soon and know why she wanted him to.
I can see this. NV doesn’t usually change Ari’s diaper, asking EK, ‘Is this normal? Or Is this new?’ I’m not convinced she did this to Ari, at least not in the time frames that we currently have. There’s no way she caused this injury with mom sleeping in the next room or with EK right out of sight. Bc if Ari was scratched so badly that he bled, & somehow caused bruises, swelling & redness, he also complained…loudly.

Same as all the scenarios tossed around up thread. If AK was in a baby sling (being carried on adults chest) or buckled into his car seat in such a way his pe n is was crunched, he would’ve complained until he was adjusted & no longer in pain. They may not have realized exactly what caused the problem, at the time. Since he probably stopped complaining shortly after picking him up. But I cannot imagine any injury to a typical newborn that caused redness, swelling, bruising & bleeding that didn’t also cause him to cry.
 
As a parent of twins, I am heartbroken for the parents of Leon and Ari. It is so hard to imagine that someone could do this. Just because Nicole Virzi does not have a criminal background and is well educated does not mean she isn't capable of doing this.

Both infants were found to have severe and separate injuries under her care and doctors' found that neither of the injuries were accidental. I imagine the defense is going to assert that the genital injury to Ari happened prior under the care of one of the parents or daycare (if they were in daycare) and that Leon suffered an accidental fall under Nicole's care.

MOO, This is one of my theories of what happened. Nicole abused Ari (and possibly Leon as well) while the parents were at dinner. Nicole may have been jealous of her friend's (who also was a doctoral student) new life with a husband and babies...something she didn't have herself or something she wasn't capable of having due to "interpersonal issues" (see link) and it annoyed and agitated her greatly. When Nicole's torture of Ari became noticeable (or she realized her retaliation went too far), she decided to call the parents because it would be obvious that she did it if she had not called to report it. At least, with reporting it, it could take suspicion off her that it wasn't abuse and a medical issue or it happened prior to him being under her care and someone else did it. The injury to the genitals was severe enough it warranted a visit to the ER. After the parents left to bring Ari to the hospital, Nicole got worked up playing out the possibilities in her head of how this could turn out for her. The parents would find out from the ER doctor that it was abuse, and she most likely was soon going to be under unsurmountable suspicion. The other baby, Leon, may also have started presenting with symptoms of injury after the parents left for the hospital. She became enraged because everything she has worked for is now gone. Her life was now ruined. Nicole in a fit of rage lashed out at the other baby because if she hadn't been babysitting, if it hadn't have been for these babies, this would have never happened to her. Baby Leon became unresponsive. Nicole then went into damage control mode and concocted the story that the baby accidentally fell out of the bouncy seat and she called 911.


My other theory would be if someone else is involved like a half sibling of the babies, but none of the news articles have mentioned a sibling or anyone else being present at the time.

In the link, it states that Nicole fell asleep briefly. Did she fall asleep with the baby and while sleeping forgot where she was and thought the baby was a cat or dog and pushed the baby off of her or away from her thinking it was a pet which then caused a catastrophic fall from the couch with the baby hitting a coffee table on the way to the floor? Instead of admitting that she fell asleep with the baby and pushed him away, did she feel less culpability would be placed on her if she said he was in the bouncy seat and fell?

With two injuries discovered under her care especially one to the genitals, it is highly unlikely that both are coincidence.

I hope justice is found for baby Leon and Ari.
The article linked just above stated that she found and reported the injury to the one twin's genitals. Is that correct? TIA
 
I wondered if it was a distraction technique with a photo of a very specific small area so that he wouldn't come to attend to his possible crying or screaming, and see further injuries, before she got him fully re-dressed.
I would think the amount of screaming that would cause, any parent would check on the baby. moo
 
I can see this. NV doesn’t usually change Ari’s diaper, asking EK, ‘Is this normal? Or Is this new?’ I’m not convinced she did this to Ari, at least not in the time frames that we currently have...

That would make sense that she'd be disturbed to find those injuries to AK when changing his diaper. It seems like those injuries could've been there before, happening somehow while they were out and about. I'd like to know how AK was acting while they were out. Was he particularly fussy that day?

People take photos of everything now days with their handy phones. They'll take a pic of a person being beaten rather than help. In today's world people have that phone camera handy and they use it. I, myself, like to take screen shots rather than describe in words sometimes. All MOO here.
 
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