PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #4

[Knox]

Two months today ... where are you Kortne?

 

[Meems]

Reminder for locals ... there is a Peace Walk at Memorial Lake tomorrow afternoon at 2:00 pm. ...

 

[reedus23]

I'd like to think that the media would have obtained whatever reports were available by now, so maybe nothing is available. Hope I am not giving the media too much credit.

From my reading of it, none of it's available in PA, unless LE voluntarily wants to release it despite the fact that the law says the public may be denied access. My guess is, the media knows from past experience that LE won't release it and therefore arent pushing hard.

 

[cluciano63]

From my reading of it, none of it's available in PA, unless LE voluntarily wants to release it despite the fact that the law says the public may be denied access. My guess is, the media knows from past experience that LE won't release it and therefore arent pushing hard.

The odd thing is that the police chief or a spokesperson is the one who first mentioned getting the police logs via FOIA in an article a month or more ago. Can't find the link just now, but it struck me as odd, almost as though he was telling the media to ask for them ,or challenging them in some way.

http://www.ldnews.com/announcements/ci_21266936/palmyra-police-among-last-see-stouffer

Wait, it is in this link.

 

[bessie]

The odd thing is that the police chief or a spokesperson is the one who first mentioned getting the police logs via FOIA in an article a month or more ago. Can't find the link just now, but it struck me as odd, almost as though he was telling the media to ask for them ,or challenging them in some way.

http://www.ldnews.com/announcements/ci_21266936/palmyra-police-among-last-see-stouffer

Wait, it is in this link.

Do you mean this quote, clu? If so, the LE representative was truthful. It's police blotter info, and not subject to the exception clause. In other words, it's disclosable under a FOIA request.

...a police representative said there was no record of a citation or arrest made at Stouffer's apartment at that time. The same representative said a Freedom of Information Act request would be required in writing to acquire the borough's dispatch log information.

http://www.ldnews.com/announcements/ci_21266936/palmyra-police-among-last-see-stouffer

If so,

(b) Exceptions. — Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), the following are exempt from access by a
requester under this act...

(16) A record of an agency relating to or resulting in a criminal investigation, including...

This paragraph shall not apply to information contained in a police blotter as defined in 18 Pa.C.S. § 9102
(relating to definitions) and utilized or maintained by the Pennsylvania State Police, local, campus,
transit or port authority police department or other law enforcement agency or in a traffic report
except as provided under 75 Pa.C.S. § 3754(b) (relating to accident prevention investigations).

https://www.dced.state.pa.us/public/oor/pa_righttoknowlaw.pdf

According to 18 Pa.C.S. § 9102, "police blotter" means a “a chronological listing of arrests, usually documented contemporaneous with the incident, which may include, but is not limited to, the name and address of the individual charged and the alleged offenses.”

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/police-blotter /

 

[cluciano63]

Do you mean this quote, clu? If so, the LE representative was truthful. It's police blotter info, and not subject to the exception clause. In other words, it's disclosable under a FOIA request.
http://www.ldnews.com/announcements/ci_21266936/palmyra-police-among-last-see-stouffer

If so,

https://www.dced.state.pa.us/public/oor/pa_righttoknowlaw.pdf

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/police-blotter /

Yes that is from the article I linked. I just thought it was odd that Le even mentioned FOIA.

 

[LivingJuicy]

I'm at my girlfriend's brother's house for dinner. His girlfriend is in town from Lebanon, PA. Kortne worked at the gym she works out at. It was nice to talk about Kortne and share her story with the table. Sadly, I knew more about about Kortne than she did. :-(

 

[Cassell]

http://m.abc27.com/LocalNewsStory.h...d-friends-hold-peace-walk?clienttype=rssstory

 

[scorekeeper]

Just got back from vacation.

Sad to see no news on Kortne's whereabouts or for that matter,,,,NO NEWS...

Kortne, where are you???

 

[reedus23]

The odd thing is that the police chief or a spokesperson is the one who first mentioned getting the police logs via FOIA in an article a month or more ago. Can't find the link just now, but it struck me as odd, almost as though he was telling the media to ask for them ,or challenging them in some way.

http://www.ldnews.com/announcements/ci_21266936/palmyra-police-among-last-see-stouffer

Wait, it is in this link.

That is a cat and mouse game he's playing. He knew full well the law would not allow for their release but this way he isn't the one who is saying they're not being released. He can in a way pass the buck. If he would have said it's not being released he would have been hounded about it. This way a person just gets a generic letter in the mail denying their request. That's my take on it at least.

 

[reedus23]

Do you mean this quote, clu? If so, the LE representative was truthful. It's police blotter info, and not subject to the exception clause. In other words, it's disclosable under a FOIA request.
http://www.ldnews.com/announcements/ci_21266936/palmyra-police-among-last-see-stouffer

If so,

https://www.dced.state.pa.us/public/oor/pa_righttoknowlaw.pdf

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/police-blotter /

I might have been confusing, because at different times I thought people were talking about 911 calls and other times investigative reports or files that the family or someone could get. Yes, police blotter info is accessible. Sorry if I confused anyone.

 

[sadnpod]

Nothing???? UGH!

 

[nursebeeme]

bumping up for Kortne

 

[scorekeeper]

Is it expensive to hire a tracking dog?

Is it too late to use a dog in Kortne's case?

I know that LE used a dog(s) but we never received what the findings were (I don't even think her parents mentioned the outcome)....

So what does this leave us with?

Was she carried out?
Did she walk out and get in a car?

I didn't want Kortne's case to go cold....

 

[reedus23]

Is it expensive to hire a tracking dog?

Is it too late to use a dog in Kortne's case?

I know that LE used a dog(s) but we never received what the findings were (I don't even think her parents mentioned the outcome)....

So what does this leave us with?

Was she carried out?
Did she walk out and get in a car?

I didn't want Kortne's case to go cold....

I just wonder how well equipped local LE is to ever handle cases like this. Financial constraints may not allow for it, but I wonder if investigations would be better served if the FBI automatically ran lead on missing persons cases. If they still had local LE assets at their disposal, it may alleviate some of the costs. I also hate to even be talking about financial concerns in the context of a missing persons case, but I guess it's a reality. Hoping for ANY kind of news. Just tell us you're still working on it at least!!!!!!!!!

 

[PalmyraDad]

As of tonight, 10/2/2012, the crime scene tape remains up at Kortne's apartment. I don't even know what to say anymore.

 

[cluciano63]

As of tonight, 10/2/2012, the crime scene tape remains up at Kortne's apartment. I don't even know what to say anymore.

I almost feel like it is none of our business, the way this is being handled. No one, not even her family, is reaching out asking the public for help in any way, other than the odd vigil or peace moment. I am baffled, and basically, defeated.

 

[scorekeeper]

I feel so sad.....I am the only one looking at Kortne's thread.

But what is there to read...nothing

It's like, oh well, life goes on...

Kortne, where are you???

 

[Really?]

With all this silence I am leaning toward the " someone in that complex did it, Police never got out of their vehicle, or, shrugged off an unanswered door", type of deal:banghead: now.

Yes, this is IMO.

 

[LivingJuicy]

I agree. I would think that I evidence of a crime was found in Miltons car or house, there would be news by now. As well as Cody failing a poly. It would be almost a slam dunk. People are charged without bodies these days.

JMO