Found Deceased PA - Linda Stoltzfoos, 18, Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster County, 21 June 2020 *arrest* #2

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crispy1988 said:
Not sure how to change it, but you're definitely right. Thanks for the correction. Just slide the 1 over past Paradise and curb the Irishtown road/ cherry road speculation.

I guess the core issue still bothers me. It still makes no logistical sense to be seen on Amish Road and then back at Harvest Structures - as in why not go directly from Beechdale to Harvest Structures?
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Also, the affidavit said he was going north on Amish Rd. So maybe he went via Rt 30 by home or work. It's like he was driving around trying to decide what to do.
 
MsMac said:
Also, the affidavit said he was going north on Amish Rd. So maybe he went via Rt 30 by home or work. It's like he was driving around trying to decide what to do.
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he was going NORTH?! omg this really hurts my head now.

I think you're explanation makes perfect sense. Perhaps this was much more hastily done than I expected.

If he was going north than all signs point to Welsh Mountains. I guess that explains the search teams meeting at Garden Spot firehouse and not in Gap.
 
Divine said:
Lancasteronline.com but it's a paid site. I tried to post a screenshot but my phone says error pic too big. (I'm new to this thread)
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I go to Lancasteronline.com multiple times daily. I've been doing so for a long time because I'm interested in the Amish lifestyle and not just Linda's kidnapping. I just always clean out my history so I can keep reading on there. I think you can read to 2 articles before it blocks you.
 
Divine said:
I wondered the same thing. Imo... Money rock/quarry area. I asked if I was able to help search along with other friends of mine. I was told at this point fbi, law and first responders only. I felt like even if I didn't know her I could at least show there are lots of people who care.
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I agree, FBI know way more then we do, but that small pond behind his workplace would be an area of concern.
Its isolated by railroad track, surrounded by trees, and easy access from the rear of his work place. I wish FBI would release his phone pings so volunteers to retrace his path and help look.
MsMac said:
What are the odds that in a case like this the suspect works, lives and disposed of clothing right next to the railroad tracks?
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I agree, if someone would confront him and ask what he was doing behind his work place, he has tons of excuses, Oh I forgot my hard hat, or I was just parking here and going for hike.
With the rumors we are hearing though about him saying, its no murder with no body, that tells me he is very confident they will not find a body. Possibly went to work place and mixed in with sand when nobody was there to be mixed in with concrete the next day. He know he disposed of very very well to be saying those works. I don't think its just a simple dig hole and bury. Hes way to confident, he knows even in water they would go in with divers. Just my take on all this....
Only the FBI knows because they hopefully have all the pings of his phone.
crispy1988 said:
@Saphyrrra

I literally just signed up, but I've been following this blog since the story broke and would like to commend its integrity. I made a PDF screenshot of the circle and timeline because the logistics were driving me nuts. For background, I'm from Lancaster and recently moved back last year. I was raised in another Amish area, but worked at the Steamboat Inn and another hotel in the Bird-in-Hand area for 7 years, and have a deep connection to the very kind community there. I'm a bit of a shady character myself (but with a kind heart) and I am extremely familiar with those roads from smoke breaks at work. This is why the map drives me nuts, it makes no logistical sense. I also agree with other posts that I would love to be permitted to search for Linda, but I also completely understand why LE operates the way that they do.

What is driving me nuts about the logistics? From the beginning, the camera catches him booking a right down Beechdale road from Mill Creek heading south towards Church Road and 340. The next known location is the sighting on Amish Road approximately 30-50 minutes later. I actually don't know the exact timing of the Amish rd sighting, but I remember it was appropriately distanced from abduction to be "en route" to some other location. This is the first thing that hurts my head. Amish Road is a very small "L" shaped road that would indicate he was heading southeast from the abduction. It would make a lot more sense for this sighting to have been on his way to his occupation at Dutchland Inc. than for it to be on his way to the Welsh Mountains. Perhaps he dipped south to Rt 30 to avoid driving through her intimate Amish community (to outsiders we think it's isolated but perhaps they would all immediately recognize Linda) - this would explain why he would be Amish road heading northeast towards Welsh mountains at this sighting. Either way, I personally believe he was on his way to Welsh Mountains or Dutchland Inc. Both provide perfect means for this heinous crime. Dutchland Inc. is a construction company and we know what the mafia has done with that for years. There is actually a perfect way to pull over off on route 41 just past Dutchland, Inc. - there is a break in the guard rail on the right side of the road. He could have pulled over into that construction zone and entered through the backwoods - just a thought. Also important to point out that we know nothing publicly about Welsh mountains other than that is where the searches were heavily focused and it would mirror Evelyn Fisher case - but clearly LE knows a little more and rightfully so. (EDIT: AFFIDAVIT SAID HE WAS HEADING NORTH ON AMISH ROAD - KEEPING THIS INFO UP FOR SPECULATIVE PURPOSES, BUT THAT FACT INDICATES HE WAS GOING TO WELSH MOUNTAINS FROM RT. 30)

The second thing that really hurts my head is the activity at Harvest Structures (the company at 3104 Harvest Drive). I'm such a nut that I actually drove by it yesterday and the corn is so high that you can only see the entrance and the factory, but where Smoker backed into was entirely not visible from the road. Thank goodness the business owner did what he did. But back to logistics, this is the next publicly known location after the Amish Road sighting. He spent a full hour here from 230-330. Why in the world would he not have disposed of everything at the scene? I am not well versed but that makes the most sense to me. Regardless, what the heck was he doing here. And why did his "guilty conscience" (guilty about being caught, not committing the act) bring him back here two nights later when he backed his car up to the railroads. Also, this is where they found her clothing items. This entire Harvest Structure activity is just a mystery to me, unless it was as simple as he forgot to dispose of those clothes and that was just driving him crazy (like a Columbo villain).

I am looking forward to the announcement this afternoon. I hope and pray for closure to this story for the Stoltzfoos family, Bird-in-Hand community, and the Lancaster community in general. If we are permitted, you better believe I will be one of the hounds on Gault Road or Dutchland Inc. this weekend. Thank you to everyone for this blog, it has helped me significantly more than any other source on this case.

KEY FOR THE MAP:
1. Justo Smoker residence (roughly)
2. Abduction (exactly) - 1242PM
3. Amish Road sighting (roughly) 115PM
4. Harvest Structures (3104 Harvest Drive) 230PM-330PM

Top right X: welsh mountains
Bottom right X: Dutchland Inc (where Smoker works)

EDIT: PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MAP NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED TO SHOW AN ACCURATE RESIDENCE FOR JUSTO SMOKER: IT IS 3250 LINCOLN HIGHWAY AND NOT CHERRY ROAD/LINCOLN HIGHWAY INTERSECTION
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There is a pond right next to where he lives, called Denlinger Pond with a parking area and a pathway to pond..
Does anyone know if this was searched?
 
cjl570 said:
I agree, FBI know way more then we do, but that small pond behind his workplace would be an area of concern.
Its isolated by railroad track, surrounded by trees, and easy access from the rear of his work place. I wish FBI would release his phone pings so volunteers to retrace his path and help look.

I agree, if someone would confront him and ask what he was doing behind his work place, he has tons of excuses, Oh I forgot my hard hat, or I was just parking here and going for hike.
With the rumors we are hearing though about him saying, its no murder with no body, that tells me he is very confident they will not find a body. Possibly went to work place and mixed in with sand when nobody was there to be mixed in with concrete the next day. He know he disposed of very very well to be saying those works. I don't think its just a simple dig hole and bury. Hes way to confident, he knows even in water they would go in with divers. Just my take on all this....
Only the FBI knows because they hopefully have all the pings of his phone.


There is a pond right next to where he lives, called Denlinger Pond with a parking area and a pathway to pond..
Does anyone know if this was searched?
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Just to clarify - he didn't work at Harvest Structures (where he buried the bra and stockings), he worked at Dutchland. So he had no reason to be at Harvest Structures at all.
 
cjl570 said:
I agree, FBI know way more then we do, but that small pond behind his workplace would be an area of concern.
Its isolated by railroad track, surrounded by trees, and easy access from the rear of his work place. I wish FBI would release his phone pings so volunteers to retrace his path and help look.

I agree, if someone would confront him and ask what he was doing behind his work place, he has tons of excuses, Oh I forgot my hard hat, or I was just parking here and going for hike.
With the rumors we are hearing though about him saying, its no murder with no body, that tells me he is very confident they will not find a body. Possibly went to work place and mixed in with sand when nobody was there to be mixed in with concrete the next day. He know he disposed of very very well to be saying those works. I don't think its just a simple dig hole and bury. Hes way to confident, he knows even in water they would go in with divers. Just my take on all this....
Only the FBI knows because they hopefully have all the pings of his phone.


There is a pond right next to where he lives, called Denlinger Pond with a parking area and a pathway to pond..
Does anyone know if this was searched?
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I have him living in a small red brick apartment building on Lincoln Highway in Paradise. There are numerous businesses around that apartment building. There is also a body of water called Esheleman's Run very close to it.
 
HBOKim said:
I'm curious about Harvest Structures. Does someone close to JS work there? Does someone JS wants revenge against work there?

Was it supposed to be a meeting place?

He wouldn't visit 3 times and stay for an hour on one of those visits for no reason.

JMOO
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He buried some of her clothing there. They say a perpetrator of a crime will return to the crime scene and since he may be unwilling or unable to return to the original crime scene where the assault and murder took place (in Gap ? perhaps) the area behind the shed business will suffice. Maybe he gets some kind of adrenalin rush or some other twisted satisfaction by visiting the place he buried her bra and stockings. JMO of course.
 
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Officials just brought in a map of different locations involved in the Linda Stoltzfoos' investigation as well as photos of Justo Smoker's car. He's the man charged with kidnapping Stoltzfoos.

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