GUILTY PA - Troy LaFerrara, 42, dies in Craigslist thrill killing, Sunbury, 11 Nov 2013
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Just my opinion, but I don't pay any respect to the belief systems that clearly mentally ill people may use after-the-fact to explain their crimes. If I did, or if anyone else did, most conventional and popular religions would likely be the most common targets. In this case, if someone referenced 'Dexter' (barely familiar with the show, but if I recall correctly it has a good lead actor) it points to the popularity of mass media as a source of material for after-the-fact stories about crimes.
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Atheists do not believe in gods or satan. We atheists point and laugh at deities....all of em. We don't discriminate.
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Hmmmmmmm. Is she telling the truth about being one of the most prolific female serial killers of all time- or is she crazy?
I'd have to say..............
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I'd have to say..............
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She allegedly started her killing spree in the town of North Pole, AK, just outside Fairbanks:
Real-life 'Dexter' Miranda Barbour confesses to murdering close to 100 'bad people' | Mail Online
Amid these gruesome claims, the tiny Alaskan town of North Pole has become the center of the outlandish story about satanism and serial killers that Barbour claims began at the behest of a cult leader. Barbour contends she joined a cult aged just 13 in the town of North Pole, where hundreds of news outlets have turned out since the lurid story broke....
What they don't mention is that North Pole is not your ordinary small town. It is, in fact, the official home of Santa Claus, at least to the US Post Office.
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
Everything in North Pole is Christmas-themed. It is Christmas Day 365 days a year. The decorations are always up. It never stops being Christmas here. Never. Wherever you are in the world, if you write a letter to Santa, and address it simply "Santa, North Pole", your letter will most likely end up in this tiny Alaskan town.
The streets have names like Frosty Avenue and Kris Kringle Drive and Santa Claus Lane. The streetlights are decorated with a candy-cane stripe pattern. Volunteers answer all the letters from kids who write to Santa.
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
And she has help. Each week in November and December, a box of Santa letters is sent over to the nearby Middle School where the town's 11- and 12-year-olds - the sixth graders - write back in the guise of elves. It is part of the curriculum.
Miranda Barbour, then, would then almost certainly have been involuntarily drafted as one of Santa's elves, and even given her own special elf name. But apparently the job can be emotionally tough at times:
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
(Volunteer Debbie) says she can frequently be found alone in here in floods of tears having opened yet another heartbreaker. "Just before you got here," she says, "I opened one that said, 'Dear Santa. All I want for Christmas is for my mother and father to stop shouting at each other.' I just fell apart."
Another thing they haven't mentioned yet was an unusual event in that same small town about a year before Miranda allegedly joined the cult: the town was the scene of a serious planned mass school shooting:
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
Six of last year's Middle School elves, now aged 13, were arrested back in April(2006) for being in the final stages of plotting a mass murder, a Columbine-style school shooting. ....they had elaborate diagrams and codenames and lists of the kids they were going to kill. .... What turned those elves bad? Were they serious? Was the town just too Christmassy?
At least a few of the town's young people aren't so enthusiastic:
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
Her name is Jessie Desmond. ... We meet in a non-Christmassy bar of Jessie's choice on the edge of town. She's in her early 20s. She was educated at Middle School.... "Christmas really grates on me, all the time, in the back of my head," she says. "Christmas, Christmas, Christmas. It drives me nuts." ....Dusk is falling. One of the town's two giant Santa sculptures - the one outside the RV park - lights up. Eerily, however, it is lit from below, which gives Santa's eyes a hollow, creepy look, like Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
All six of the elves arrested were goths, as were an additional nine elves that were to act in support roles.
USATODAY.com - Towns unnerved by alleged school plots
Nine other students at the school, including at least one girl, were suspended for withholding information and will not be allowed to return to school until authorities have completed the investigation.
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
And they were going to kill dozens of their classmates. This sounds to me like civil war, the non-Christmassy kids against the Christmassy ones.
[Interview with local teen]
"Do you ever get an overdose of Christmas, living here?" I ask him.
"Pretty much all summer," he says.
"What do you do to redress the balance?" I ask.
"I come here(video arcade) and shoot people all day," he shrugs.
The question is, did the town's Christmassy orientation mess Miranda up?
Bad tidings, part II | Life and style | The Guardian
My week in North Pole has made me suspect that the job can mess you up. There's poor Twinkle in the lotto shop, constantly in tears, powerless to help. Then there's Jessie, realising that if she was the magic, then the magic was rubbish.
Jessie told me she wouldn't be surprised if the plotters were in part set on their nihilistic path as a result of being letter-opening elves.
Did the satanic cult deliberately choose the home of Santa Claus to mock Christianity? Was the cult already entrenched in North Pole at the time of the school shooting plot, perhaps even helped organize it? Or did they move in afterwards, figuring all those goth kids were ripe for recruitment? Interestingly, one the participants said "We were just going to shoot the bad kids," mirroring Miranda's comments about just killing bad people.
Elves -- "Elf"?
Real-life 'Dexter' Miranda Barbour confesses to murdering close to 100 'bad people' | Mail Online
Amid these gruesome claims, the tiny Alaskan town of North Pole has become the center of the outlandish story about satanism and serial killers that Barbour claims began at the behest of a cult leader. Barbour contends she joined a cult aged just 13 in the town of North Pole, where hundreds of news outlets have turned out since the lurid story broke....
What they don't mention is that North Pole is not your ordinary small town. It is, in fact, the official home of Santa Claus, at least to the US Post Office.
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
Everything in North Pole is Christmas-themed. It is Christmas Day 365 days a year. The decorations are always up. It never stops being Christmas here. Never. Wherever you are in the world, if you write a letter to Santa, and address it simply "Santa, North Pole", your letter will most likely end up in this tiny Alaskan town.
The streets have names like Frosty Avenue and Kris Kringle Drive and Santa Claus Lane. The streetlights are decorated with a candy-cane stripe pattern. Volunteers answer all the letters from kids who write to Santa.
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
And she has help. Each week in November and December, a box of Santa letters is sent over to the nearby Middle School where the town's 11- and 12-year-olds - the sixth graders - write back in the guise of elves. It is part of the curriculum.
Miranda Barbour, then, would then almost certainly have been involuntarily drafted as one of Santa's elves, and even given her own special elf name. But apparently the job can be emotionally tough at times:
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
(Volunteer Debbie) says she can frequently be found alone in here in floods of tears having opened yet another heartbreaker. "Just before you got here," she says, "I opened one that said, 'Dear Santa. All I want for Christmas is for my mother and father to stop shouting at each other.' I just fell apart."
Another thing they haven't mentioned yet was an unusual event in that same small town about a year before Miranda allegedly joined the cult: the town was the scene of a serious planned mass school shooting:
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
Six of last year's Middle School elves, now aged 13, were arrested back in April(2006) for being in the final stages of plotting a mass murder, a Columbine-style school shooting. ....they had elaborate diagrams and codenames and lists of the kids they were going to kill. .... What turned those elves bad? Were they serious? Was the town just too Christmassy?
At least a few of the town's young people aren't so enthusiastic:
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
Her name is Jessie Desmond. ... We meet in a non-Christmassy bar of Jessie's choice on the edge of town. She's in her early 20s. She was educated at Middle School.... "Christmas really grates on me, all the time, in the back of my head," she says. "Christmas, Christmas, Christmas. It drives me nuts." ....Dusk is falling. One of the town's two giant Santa sculptures - the one outside the RV park - lights up. Eerily, however, it is lit from below, which gives Santa's eyes a hollow, creepy look, like Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
All six of the elves arrested were goths, as were an additional nine elves that were to act in support roles.
USATODAY.com - Towns unnerved by alleged school plots
Nine other students at the school, including at least one girl, were suspended for withholding information and will not be allowed to return to school until authorities have completed the investigation.
Bad tidings | World news | The Guardian
And they were going to kill dozens of their classmates. This sounds to me like civil war, the non-Christmassy kids against the Christmassy ones.
[Interview with local teen]
"Do you ever get an overdose of Christmas, living here?" I ask him.
"Pretty much all summer," he says.
"What do you do to redress the balance?" I ask.
"I come here(video arcade) and shoot people all day," he shrugs.
The question is, did the town's Christmassy orientation mess Miranda up?
Bad tidings, part II | Life and style | The Guardian
My week in North Pole has made me suspect that the job can mess you up. There's poor Twinkle in the lotto shop, constantly in tears, powerless to help. Then there's Jessie, realising that if she was the magic, then the magic was rubbish.
Jessie told me she wouldn't be surprised if the plotters were in part set on their nihilistic path as a result of being letter-opening elves.
Did the satanic cult deliberately choose the home of Santa Claus to mock Christianity? Was the cult already entrenched in North Pole at the time of the school shooting plot, perhaps even helped organize it? Or did they move in afterwards, figuring all those goth kids were ripe for recruitment? Interestingly, one the participants said "We were just going to shoot the bad kids," mirroring Miranda's comments about just killing bad people.
Elves -- "Elf"?
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LOL!! And they didn't waste any time getting the word out either!
Oh, the irony. I think this is a first.
LOL!! I love that.:floorlaugh:
I think she has visions of a Henry Lucas of Bundy style encampment of Law Enforcement Officials from all over the Nation swarming her cell and bringing her snacks and ciggarettes while they shove gory crime scene pictures in her face.
Maybe day long car rides while she tries to locate 'grave sites'.
The complete center of attention.
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She will claim insanity. Sounds like a smart cookie unless she was really affected, in which case this is very sad. I don't think 13 year-olds are mature enough to handle those sad Santa letters. Hope they put a stop to that and put something in place in the town that is normal for the high school students to do. To me 365 days of Christmas would drive me insane, it's not normal. And her dislike of overweight people could relate to Santa. jmo
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the only thing odd about it is that they didn't do it sooner. regardless of common misconceptions about the Church of Satan, they are a legitimate religious organization that actually doesn't participate or condone murder. any other religious group that she claimed to kill in the name of would have made the same statement.
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depending on the flavor (there are many, as in wicca and other pagan religions), Satan can be a pretty nice guy.
I read about the case today on the Daily Mail website. Very intriguing.
It made me Wiki Satanism and I learnt that it's not what I thought it was. I didn't even know there was a Church of Satan. But I think most average readers will probably think it's all about worshipping a devil and slaughtering animals and it will be sensationalised by the media. No wonder they are keen to remove themselves from the Barbours.
Interestingly, on Wikipedia it writes that one of the men associated with the early founding of the Church of Satan was Robert Barbour Johnson. Any relation to Elytte?
If she is telling the truth, then it will be good if it helps clear up some old cold cases, but if she is lying then that is also good as it means no more lives have been lost.
It made me Wiki Satanism and I learnt that it's not what I thought it was. I didn't even know there was a Church of Satan. But I think most average readers will probably think it's all about worshipping a devil and slaughtering animals and it will be sensationalised by the media. No wonder they are keen to remove themselves from the Barbours.
Interestingly, on Wikipedia it writes that one of the men associated with the early founding of the Church of Satan was Robert Barbour Johnson. Any relation to Elytte?
If she is telling the truth, then it will be good if it helps clear up some old cold cases, but if she is lying then that is also good as it means no more lives have been lost.
It seems the authorities are anxious to keep Miranda Barbour isolated:
http://www.dailyitem.com/x1280779959/Lockup-to-Miranda-s-mom-You-can-t-visit
Before Elizabeth Dean decided to make the nearly eight-hour drive to Sunbury, she called Northumberland County Prison and asked administrators when she could visit her daughter, whom she hadn’t seen in more than four months.
“You can’t,” prison officials told Dean about visiting Miranda Barbour, 19, of Selinsgrove. “She is on suicide watch.”
--Miranda wrote a Jan. 3 letter to The Daily Item requesting an interview, and wrote a reporter’s name on her visitation list.
That reporter was denied access Jan. 6. Prison officials told him he wasn’t on the list, and that Miranda didn’t even have a list.
The Daily Item published a story Jan. 9 about the denial, and was later told by prison and county officials a mistake had been made, that the reporter’s name was on Miranda’s list.
But hers was a “wish list,” prison officials added.
Said an inmate on work release: “The only person that gets a wish list in jail is Santa Claus. There is no such thing.”
--“She called and told me about getting served the papers from my brother and then she started to talk to me about calling (the reporter) and then we got disconnected,” Dean said. “It was a less than five minute phone call.”
It aslo seems clear her claims to Satanism is not something that was made up recently:
"She went on to discuss her daughter’s childhood.
“(Miranda) ran away from home when she was 12,” Dean said. Her daughter grew up in Alaska and has an older sister, Dean said.
“(Miranda) got hooked up with a guy (in Alaska) who was into satanic stuff, and when she came home one day, she told me that he owns her now.”
The man’s name was Forrest, Dean said.
“I asked her what she was talking about, and she told me that this man owns her and she has to do whatever he says,” Dean said. “She said he branded her by carving a swastika on the back of her neck and his name on her thigh.
“She told me she was out prostituting at 12 years old and that this man was her ruler.” "
Numerology?
"When she read an article published by The Daily Item about the strange coincidences of a string of number 1s related to her daughter’s alleged Craigslist ad, Dean said she broke down and cried.
An ad purportedly posted by Miranda at 1:11 a.m. Nov. 1 — looking to meet men who “hated their wives” — was not a coincidence, Dean said.
The murder took place Nov. 11, the same day as the birthday of Miranda’s husband, Elytte Barbour, and the two-year anniversary of her father’s remarriage, on Nov. 11, 2011.
“I told (Miranda) when she was in Alaska, she needed to stop all of this and get away from these (satanic) people,” Dean said. “She was involved in this satanic stuff and this man (Forrest) still has a hold on her. It’s heart-breaking.”
One day Miranda came home and said she wanted to change her life, so Dean sent her to North Carolina to live with Miranda’s uncle, Arlin Fletcher. “I sent her down here and she was doing very good,” Dean said. “I moved down here to be with her, and then she met ‘Elf.’” “Elf” is Elytte Barbour."
"Miranda told her mother that Elytte became engaged in the satanic world after Miranda and Elytte became romantically involved.
“She told me he liked it, but she said, ‘Mom, I can’t put him on the panel because Forrest won’t let me.’”
Dean didn’t know what the panel meant. She said she knows her daughter participated in satanic rituals, but was unsure about the nature of them.
“I have no idea,” she said. “I know if you talk to Elf, he will say she (Miranda) killed plenty of times before, but I just don’t know. I asked her and she said ‘Never.’”
Elytte told The Daily Item on Dec. 4 that the father of Miranda’s child was dead. He wouldn’t get into details that day.
“He is not dead,” Dean said. “But we don’t know who the father is. It could be one of several people.”
Dean said Forrest contacted her and said he wants to know whether the child is his. According to Dean, Forrest was 25 when he met Miranda, then 12. Miranda became pregnant at 17."
http://www.dailyitem.com/x1280779959/Lockup-to-Miranda-s-mom-You-can-t-visit
Before Elizabeth Dean decided to make the nearly eight-hour drive to Sunbury, she called Northumberland County Prison and asked administrators when she could visit her daughter, whom she hadn’t seen in more than four months.
“You can’t,” prison officials told Dean about visiting Miranda Barbour, 19, of Selinsgrove. “She is on suicide watch.”
--Miranda wrote a Jan. 3 letter to The Daily Item requesting an interview, and wrote a reporter’s name on her visitation list.
That reporter was denied access Jan. 6. Prison officials told him he wasn’t on the list, and that Miranda didn’t even have a list.
The Daily Item published a story Jan. 9 about the denial, and was later told by prison and county officials a mistake had been made, that the reporter’s name was on Miranda’s list.
But hers was a “wish list,” prison officials added.
Said an inmate on work release: “The only person that gets a wish list in jail is Santa Claus. There is no such thing.”
--“She called and told me about getting served the papers from my brother and then she started to talk to me about calling (the reporter) and then we got disconnected,” Dean said. “It was a less than five minute phone call.”
It aslo seems clear her claims to Satanism is not something that was made up recently:
"She went on to discuss her daughter’s childhood.
“(Miranda) ran away from home when she was 12,” Dean said. Her daughter grew up in Alaska and has an older sister, Dean said.
“(Miranda) got hooked up with a guy (in Alaska) who was into satanic stuff, and when she came home one day, she told me that he owns her now.”
The man’s name was Forrest, Dean said.
“I asked her what she was talking about, and she told me that this man owns her and she has to do whatever he says,” Dean said. “She said he branded her by carving a swastika on the back of her neck and his name on her thigh.
“She told me she was out prostituting at 12 years old and that this man was her ruler.” "
Numerology?
"When she read an article published by The Daily Item about the strange coincidences of a string of number 1s related to her daughter’s alleged Craigslist ad, Dean said she broke down and cried.
An ad purportedly posted by Miranda at 1:11 a.m. Nov. 1 — looking to meet men who “hated their wives” — was not a coincidence, Dean said.
The murder took place Nov. 11, the same day as the birthday of Miranda’s husband, Elytte Barbour, and the two-year anniversary of her father’s remarriage, on Nov. 11, 2011.
“I told (Miranda) when she was in Alaska, she needed to stop all of this and get away from these (satanic) people,” Dean said. “She was involved in this satanic stuff and this man (Forrest) still has a hold on her. It’s heart-breaking.”
One day Miranda came home and said she wanted to change her life, so Dean sent her to North Carolina to live with Miranda’s uncle, Arlin Fletcher. “I sent her down here and she was doing very good,” Dean said. “I moved down here to be with her, and then she met ‘Elf.’” “Elf” is Elytte Barbour."
"Miranda told her mother that Elytte became engaged in the satanic world after Miranda and Elytte became romantically involved.
“She told me he liked it, but she said, ‘Mom, I can’t put him on the panel because Forrest won’t let me.’”
Dean didn’t know what the panel meant. She said she knows her daughter participated in satanic rituals, but was unsure about the nature of them.
“I have no idea,” she said. “I know if you talk to Elf, he will say she (Miranda) killed plenty of times before, but I just don’t know. I asked her and she said ‘Never.’”
Elytte told The Daily Item on Dec. 4 that the father of Miranda’s child was dead. He wouldn’t get into details that day.
“He is not dead,” Dean said. “But we don’t know who the father is. It could be one of several people.”
Dean said Forrest contacted her and said he wants to know whether the child is his. According to Dean, Forrest was 25 when he met Miranda, then 12. Miranda became pregnant at 17."
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Has MSM given a list of cities that Miranda & husband has lived in and murders?
Did she live with her parents as she prostituted herself and met the RULER?
Can Craigslist have a copy of all her personal adds?
As I read about the town 'North Pole' it reminded me of WHOVILLE...............
I love Christmas, but not 24/7/365. Just alittle...............JMOO
Did she live with her parents as she prostituted herself and met the RULER?
Can Craigslist have a copy of all her personal adds?
As I read about the town 'North Pole' it reminded me of WHOVILLE...............
I love Christmas, but not 24/7/365. Just alittle...............JMOO
From reading interview with the mother, their relationship sounds really odd. There must be dysfunction in that family for a 12 year old to run away and end up in prostitution. 18 year olds maybe even 16 year olds, but 12!
The interview makes the mother come across as very cold and flippant towards the situation. :/
The interview makes the mother come across as very cold and flippant towards the situation. :/
And North Pole is 11km2 in size....spooky.....or maybe I'm looking too much into that!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...people-say-guilty-murder-sentenced-death.html
New article including more information from her parents.
They don't believe her and state she is a Heroin addict, her father says that she is the most manipulative person he's known and that if guilty of the murder she's charged with should receive the death penalty
New article including more information from her parents.
They don't believe her and state she is a Heroin addict, her father says that she is the most manipulative person he's known and that if guilty of the murder she's charged with should receive the death penalty
Is it possible to be an atheist satanist? I would think not but then I havent read up much on the subject.