Patricia Garrido

[Tizzle]

I have never read anything that suggests Patricia said she saw JC pregnant. Link please! TIA

Not that it really matters, even if she didn't say she saw JC pregnant, I still think there is no way in hell PF didn't know what was going on. I just think it's important to keep the facts straight.

 

[kbl8201]

going back in the thread it appears i had things jiggled up as usual. sorry.

i know she made the quotes about the depression though.

 

[SunnieRN]

Personally, I think he'd sell her under the bus. (okay,okay, I tend to mix my metaphors!LOL) There's no reason she can't be in a prison nursing home, yes they do have those. I also don't believe the prosecution needs to do any bargaining with Phil, they have an extremely solid case against him considering the victim lived, and you also have Carl to give eyewitness testimony- he I.D.'d Nancy perfectly in the suspect sketch, and there's the confessions of Nancy & Phil. Open & Shut case. Mental illness attempt is about all the defense has.

I truly think PG has a perverse sense of loyalty when it comes to his mother. I think he feels that she is the only one that stood by him, even after he was found to be a rapist. Remember early in his jail time when he wrote and asked her for forgiveness?

I think a lot of the dimentia claims were to protect her from prosecution in case he got caught. As for her knowing Jaycee was pregnanat. she was there, Jaycee "visited her every day with a smile on her face and seemed to be so happy" or some such bs. Can't have it both ways "Mom".

As for her dimentia:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...YZHI51Ooa2kIhN

"Garrido's father is disgusted with his own ex-wife, who he said could have done something to stop the madness.

He said the ex, Patricia, 88, who has suffered from dementia for the last six years, "must have known about Jaycee. She lived there all this time. She could have done something, but didn't."

 

[Billylee]

You mean Patricia actually said she saw Jaycee pregnant? I totally missed that. Does anyone have the site for the remark? So she knew Phil was raping Jaycee. She must have. So either she thought he was raping his own daughter or she knew that Jaycee had been kidnapped.

*wants to smack the old biddy on the head with used bed pan*

Don't recall her acutally saying she saw Jaycee pregnant, however, I posted this back in September:

Patricia Garrido was quoted as saying she thought Jaycee was a child of one of Phillip's former relationships. If she was an ally, she would have used her math skills to realize that was impossible. (Her beloved son was in prison for rape during the years when Jaycee was born.) She also would certainly have wondered how Jaycee kept getting pregnant, and if it was by her adorable son Phillip, thereby providing her with granddaughters, wouldn't she think that was incest, if she truly thought Jaycee was Phillip's daugther. Allies like her we could all do without! JMO

Those grandbabies didn't appear out of the blue sky from the stork! And unless Nancy walked around for nine months with a pillow under her shirt, Patricia sure as hell knew they didn't come from her! The old woman knew all right and she should be being prosecuted just like her son and daughter in law!

 

[Natal]

I thought of something, if PG was mentally ill (we know that he was on some kind of psychiatric mediacation and wrote about schizophrenia in his "manifesto"), he probably has schizophrenia. That sort of thing runs in the family so it is quite possible that Patricia had the same thing, which would explain her otherwise inexplicable behaviour in all of this. She was probably just as crazy as him.

Imagine poor Jaycee, suddenly finding herself locked up in a lunatic asylum at age 11 . Aside from the more traumatic aspects of it all, it must have been like waking up one day and finding yourself in the twighlight zone.

 

[Billylee]

I thought of something, if PG was mentally ill (we know that he was on some kind of psychiatric mediacation and wrote about schizophrenia in his "manifesto"), he probably has schizophrenia. That sort of thing runs in the family so it is quite possible that Patricia had the same thing, which would explain her otherwise inexplicable behaviour in all of this. She was probably just as crazy as him.

Imagine poor Jaycee, suddenly finding herself locked up in a lunatic asylum at age 11 . Aside from the more traumatic aspects of it all, it must have been like waking up one day and finding yourself in the twighlight zone.

OMG Natal, you made me LOL! You just now thought of that!???? Where have you been buddy! Welcome to the party!!!!

 

[kbl8201]

that's not even remotely funny

 

[Natal]

There is a difference between cold malice and crazy though. I had assumed it was cold malice, but crazy (especially if all of them were insane) is scarier IMO because you can't rationalize it internally. It is unpredictable.

 

[LinasK]

There is a difference between cold malice and crazy though. I had assumed it was cold malice, but crazy (especially if all of them were insane) is scarier IMO because you can't rationalize it internally. It is unpredictable.

Whether a claim of mental incompetence would hold up is uncertain. Legal experts say that kind of defense — along with a suggested brainwashing defense for Nancy Garrido — is made tenuous by the 18-year duration of Dugard's captivity. The fact that the couple maintained somewhat normal contact with the outside world, through Phillip Garrido's printing business and Nancy Garrido's work as a nursing aide, adds to the challenge, legal scholars say.
Under state law, a "not guilty by reason of insanity" defense must show the accused person "was incapable of knowing or understanding the nature and quality of his act or her act and of distinguishing right from wrong at the time of the commission of the offense."
'Hail Mary pass'
Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, called that a big stretch in the Garrido case.
"The truth is, he did function over the 18 years. He ran a business. He had plans to hide her if people came by. He interacted with other people. He may be very mentally ill, but the legal standard is very high," Levenson said. "It's not simply, he did an insane act. It think this is a Hail Mary pass, to be honest. http://www.contracostatimes.com/top-stories/ci_14469475

 

[Billylee]

that's not even remotely funny

The situation is NOT FUNNY! Natal just now getting the picture of Jaycee's emotional plight is beyond funny!

 

[kbl8201]

The situation is NOT FUNNY! Natal just now getting the picture of Jaycee's emotional plight is beyond funny!

that wasnt getting the picture.

it was making light of what they went thru.

 

[Tizzle]

I thought of something, if PG was mentally ill (we know that he was on some kind of psychiatric mediacation and wrote about schizophrenia in his "manifesto"), he probably has schizophrenia. That sort of thing runs in the family so it is quite possible that Patricia had the same thing, which would explain her otherwise inexplicable behaviour in all of this. She was probably just as crazy as him.

Imagine poor Jaycee, suddenly finding herself locked up in a lunatic asylum at age 11 . Aside from the more traumatic aspects of it all, it must have been like waking up one day and finding yourself in the twighlight zone.

{BBM}

Ya know, Natal, I hadn't thought of this, either. The whole "runs in the family" aspect of the possible schizophrenia. What your revelation made me also realize is that it is possible that the girls may, also, become afflicted with the same disorder, if PG is indeed schizophrenic.

 

[kbl8201]

{BBM}

Ya know, Natal, I hadn't thought of this, either. The whole "runs in the family" aspect of the possible schizophrenia. What your revelation made me also realize is that it is possible that the girls may, also, become afflicted with the same disorder, if PG is indeed schizophrenic.

what about the fact that jaycee isnt schizophrenic?

 

[Tizzle]

She doesn't have to be for it to run in the family, just like any other hereditary disorder or disease, kbl. Thank God Jaycee isn't schizophrenic, but that didn't matter for my friend that is schizophrenic when her mother isn't. Her dad is and so is her sister. Some of her aunts and uncles on her dad's side, too.

 

[kbl8201]

She doesn't have to be for it to run in the family, just like any other hereditary disorder or disease, kbl. Thank God Jaycee isn't schizophrenic, but that didn't matter for my friend that is schizophrenic when her mother isn't. Her dad is and so is her sister. Some of her aunts and uncles on her dad's side, too.

good points.

but is he really schizophrenic?

granted the girls will have many issues either way.

 

[Natal]

The situation is NOT FUNNY! Natal just now getting the picture of Jaycee's emotional plight is beyond funny!

I have allways understood Jaycee's emotional plight, probably better than you. You confuse that with discussion of other aspects of the case, or what is going on with other characters in the story. Viewing life with a single eye makes you as good as blind.

 

[Natal]

{BBM}

Ya know, Natal, I hadn't thought of this, either. The whole "runs in the family" aspect of the possible schizophrenia. What your revelation made me also realize is that it is possible that the girls may, also, become afflicted with the same disorder, if PG is indeed schizophrenic.

Maybe, but that usually manifests itself in early adulthood so it would be to soon to say. They have a 25% chance since there is nothing wrong with Jaycee.

 

[LinasK]

Maybe, but that usually manifests itself in early adulthood so it would be to soon to say. They have a 25% chance since there is nothing wrong with Jaycee.

From what I know, schizophrenia is a male dominant gene, just like color blindness, male pattern baldness, and stuttering. Males have a 75% chance of getting these diseases, so I'd estimate it's not very likely the girls will inherit it.

 

[Tizzle]

good points.

but is he really schizophrenic?

granted the girls will have many issues either way.

{BBM}
None of us really know for sure. It is a possibility, though. We may never know for sure if he is schizophrenic because of HIPAA laws. I agree that the girls will have issues but pray that they'll be able to overcome them as much as possible in order to lead somewhat normal lives.

 

[Billylee]

I have allways understood Jaycee's emotional plight, probably better than you. You confuse that with discussion of other aspects of the case, or what is going on with other characters in the story. Viewing life with a single eye makes you as good as blind.

I must not be making myself very clear today. I REALIZED THE POSSIBILITY OF FAMILY INHERITED SCHIZOPHRENIA, THE FIRST TIME I READ THE WORDS THAT CAME FROM PATRICIA FRANZEN'S MOUTH. And for you or anyone else who's been reading this thread since it's inception, to just now be considering this as a possibility truly astounds me. Perhaps you weren't being clear, and that you really meant you had this thought a long time ago and never brought it up?