Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #1

[Roze]

ITA. I seriously doubt that Joran even recognized it was the 5th anniversary that he murdered Natalee.

Maybe it's just me, but if I murdered someone and went through all manner of hell as a result, I would probably remember the date.

 

[beach]

Now, his deceased Dad find out about him from above. What would he say about his son for criminal behavior?

Probably the exact same thing he did last time.....help him hide. He certainly wouldn't encourage him to take responsibility, imo.

 

[beach]

Maybe it's just me, but if I murdered someone and went through all manner of hell as a result, I would probably remember the date.

I know exactly what you mean, Roze. I just don't think Joran is cut from the same cloth as us. I think he is a heartless, arrogant SOB. jmho

 

[Aedrys]

JVM: Joe, u don't need the videotape to prove (this one)
JTac: just cause cant find him doesn't mean he's on the run

OMG this attorney has the intelligence level of Jose Baez (Casey Anthony's lawyer). Are they related, I wonder? Or did they go to the same law school? I CANNOT believe HE SAID THAT! Does he think everyone is as dumb as a box of hair or something? He so needs to SHUT. HIS. MOUTH!

 

[strach304]

Unbelievable! It's like dejavu... casino, poker, video tape of Joran and victim, date rape drugs... another death. What a sick *advertiser censored*!

I can't imagine the horror going through Beth and Daves minds right now. How Natalee may have died.

 

[lonetraveler]

I wonder how many other young missing woman around the world have died at the hands of this freak?!?

I've been wondering the same thing PrayerForMaura. This guy has been thumbing his nose at Law Enforcement and being so cocky is definitely working against him at the moment. I would not be surprised if it is found out that he has killed a woman for every year since Natalie. He is laughing at LE. It has become a catch me if you can game with this psycho.

 

[epiphany]

I don't agree with that. Why be so sloppy and not plan things out if ritualistic. He would have planned to dispose the body etc. I just think it was an opportunity he saw and then in a rage he murdered the girl and fled.

The ritualistic part may have been to murder a female on NH's death anniversary.

The sloppiness may have been a direct result of her not cooperating by taking the alcohol/drink containing date rape drug which led to his rage. Could be both - ritualistic and became sloppy.

 

[JSR]

I just hope they find him alive. It's such a shame another woman had to die at his hands. I wonder how many more he has killed.

 

[suzihawk]

Now, his deceased Dad find out about him from above. What would he say about his son for criminal behavior?

I'm not so sure his deceased father is viewing from above. He helped Joran and was complicit in covering up the crime, IMO. So I don't think he'd be surprised at his criminal behavior. Perhaps (hopefully) he and Joran will be meeting up in the same afterlife place.

 

[cinsbythesea]

I have to disagree about Joran killing himself. I think this guy is too narcissistic.

I was just going to post this very same thing. I would bet he figures he'll slither his way out of this one too...

 

[beach]

Lovin' TJ Ward!!! He is telling it like it really was in Aruba.

 

[James Vic]

Maybe it's just me, but if I murdered someone and went through all manner of hell as a result, I would probably remember the date.

If he is a sociopath, his behavior may be more like that of a computer and less like a human. He may not have remembered what day it was, but subconsciously he acted.

Every drop of water, every piece of food and every molecule of oxygen this animal uses is a total waste. While I agree the world would be a better place without him taking up space, I think a Peruvian Prison would be a better place for this monster to live out his pathetic life.

 

[JSR]

I'm not so sure his deceased father is viewing from above. He helped Joran and was complicit in covering up the crime, IMO. So I don't think he'd be surprised at his criminal behavior. Perhaps (hopefully) he and Joran will be meeting up in the same afterlife place.

Agreed. I don't think his father is anywhere up above. Rest assured they will both end up in the same place.

 

[James Vic]

I tuned in to JVM late. Was the woman on the phone in Aruba defending VDS?

 

[epiphany]

I tuned in to JVM late. Was the woman on the phone in Aruba defending VDS?

Not defending him, but left room that whatever occurred in the hotel room may have happened after VDS checked out.

 

[beach]

I have to disagree about Joran killing himself. I think this guy is too narcissistic.

I do totally agree with ya on this, Roze!

 

[Roze]

I know exactly what you mean, Roze. I just don't think Joran is cut from the same cloth as us. I think he is a heartless, arrogant SOB. jmho

I certainly cannot argue with that, but even if it was not a conscious thing, it could have been a subconscious acting out.

 

[MaraSleuth]

The ritualistic part may have been to murder a female on NH's death anniversary.

The sloppiness may have been a direct result of her not cooperating by taking the alcohol/drink containing date rape drug which led to his rage. Could be both - ritualistic and became sloppy.

It's possible. I just can't wrap my head around him deserting his truck 19 blocks away and then crossing into Chile on a bus. If he were planning to kill a female on the anniversary - I'd expect him to plan it better. But you're theory makes sense too - a 'well thought out murder gone wrong'.

 

[lonetraveler]

ITA. I seriously doubt that Joran even recognized it was the 5th anniversary that he murdered Natalee.

I don't agree. IMO, he most likely celebrates every year because he got away with it. It is also very likely that Natalie and this girl are not the only ones murdered. He has shown his disdain for women. In between murdering Natalie and this murder he also was involved with trying "human trafficing". He is caught on tape for this. He is very dangerous and needs to be stopped before another woman loses her life.

 

[Roze]

If he is a sociopath, his behavior may be more like that of a computer and less like a human. He may not have remembered what day it was, but subconsciously he acted.

Every drop of water, every piece of food and every molecule of oxygen this animal uses is a total waste. While I agree the world would be a better place without him taking up space, I think a Peruvian Prison would be a better place for this monster to live out his pathetic life.

Agree James, I just posted the same thing about it possibly being subconscious. The Peruvian prison is the perfect punishment for this monster.