Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #10

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Those cups are empty. I watched it 3 times, and the way he's holding them, he only moves them once. The cups don't have those "coolers" on them either. Both are held at an angle -- which is hard to do with a full coffee cup. Now in Peru, I heard her say "espresso" -- isn't espresso a small drink? Maybe, perhaps, the cups were only 1/4 full? Just a thought.

Mel
 
This video needs to be translated as the translation states:

After murdering Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot got TAC hotel employees fall into his scheme, but did not have security cameras that captured their movements outside the room where the crime occurred, images that could sink more.
 
Any signs of the pastry?
Ok...wasn't that other guy staying at the same hotel? Now...what if he left the room to bring HIM coffee...then forgot something...tried to get back in but the door was locked (except it wasn't)? If there's no bread...how would he have explained THAT? I just can't believe this guy even went to all this trouble. Joren...there's a dead girl in YOUR JVS's room? Why would they think it was someone else that did it??!!

He has something else smaller and white looking in his hand so it may be the cough cough danish.
 
Nums, if you stick these in the translation thread (in my sig) one of us will do a human translation if you'd like - it'd likely help with ease of reading and accuracy :)

Thank you for the reminder :blushing:.

I will do so in the future. I appreciate you and everyone's hard work and dedication here.
 
Back in 2005 I remember watching a Fox stream where people were draining a pond near the Marriott at Aruba. Halfway the drain though, police ordered them to stop their activities. There is some information about this incident halfway the following article.
why did police order crews to stop draining that pond? Was it the 'Bulabi plas'?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164208,00.html
 
In my opinion, the truly crucial aspect of the Peru case is the highly unusual gap between the alleged time of Stephany's death (early Sunday morning) and her body being found (Wednesday morning). If Joran killed her, the length of time until the body was discovered makes little sense, and imho the explanations offered up ("I'll be back in a few days," "don't bother my girl," etc.) are lame and counter to most everyone's life experiences.

Now, I fully acknowledge that any conspiracy theory has the same problem- how do we explain the gap? Surely, any conspirators would have been smart enough to have the body discovered shortly after Joran left, right? Well, not if this scenario, or something like it happened:

Let's say that Stephany was supposed to be the "bait" to lure Joran into whatever sting was planned for him. What if she felt sorry for him, after meeting him, and backed out? What if she told him everything, and urged him to get out of there quickly? Maybe she gave him her keys and let him take her car- telling him where to leave it (this would give him a head start and take her car away from the hotel, making it less likely they'd think she was staying there). She would have been terribly frightened then- did she just stay in his room for a few days? Maybe she snuck out? Who knows- the point is, under some kind of scenario like that, the later discovery of her body (this would end, of course, with her being killed for betraying them) would make sense. In my view, it's the only theory that explains that nagging three day gap.

Is this far out? Sure, most conspiracy theories are. But then, most conspiracies are far out, too. Okay, ready for comments.
 
Target time - 7 hours.......wouldn't be great if we could find a webcam of the location?
 
Updated Timeline:

If anyone knows of anything that should be added or changed, reply in this thread, the wave, or PM me.

March 29th
  • Joran contacts Beth Holloway and offers to share how she died and where the body was hidden in exchange for $250,000. (16)*
May 10th
  • $15,000 wired from Beth Holloway's Mountain Brook, Ala. bank, to a bank in the Netherlands. (6,9,16)
  • $10,000 paid to Joran in cash. (9,16)
  • Joran takes them to a house and tells them it is where NH's body is hidden. It was later discovered the house did even not exist when she disappeared, proving the story a lie. (16)
May 13th
  • Joran leaves Aruba.
  • Joran arrives Colombia
May 14th
  • Leaves Colombia ()
  • Arrives in Lima, Peru ()
  • [May have Checked into Hotel TAC - Conflicting reports. - This date is less credible than may 16th.]
May 16th
  • Joran checks in to Hotel TAC, and prepays for 14 Nights. (11)
May 17th
  • Joran admits in an email that he lied about the information he gave. (16)
May 30th
  • Surveillance video shows Joran and Stephany playing poker at the same table, and Stephany winning $1700. (10)
  • 5:15am - Leaves Atlantic City Casino ()
  • 5:20am - Arrives at Hotel Tac Lobby ()
  • 5:21am - Leaves Hotel Tac Lobby towards room 309 (2,3,15)
  • 5:23am - Enters Room (2,3,15)
  • 8:10am - Seen on camera leaving room in same clothes he entered room earlier in, Goes to gas station/supermarket to buy 2 cups of coffee and bread.
  • *Stephany uses his computer and finds emails relating to Natalee Holloway (5)
  • Seen on camera returning from buying coffee at gas station/supermarket. Holds 2 cups of coffee and bread (biscuits). (17)
  • Stephany confronts him about emails, they fight.
  • [8:30am - Conflicting reports - Murder Takes Place, Time of death. (17)]
  • 8:35am - Leaves the room carrying 2 cups of coffee, and something else (keys) in his hand. Closes the door behind him. Stands outside room looking around, and knocks on the door as if he is locked out. Walks out of frame. (18)
  • *Drinks coffee and eats biscuits while he considers what to do with the body.
  • 8:35am - Leaves the room carrying 2 cups of coffee, and something else (keys) in his hand. Closes the door behind him. Stands outside room looking around, and knocks on the door as if he is locked out. Walks out of frame. (18)*
  • 8:37am - Walks back into frame, looks at camera. Leaves and tells front desk that he got locked out. (18)
  • 8:39am - Hotel staff member opens the door for him. Joran is carrying 2 cups of coffee. Once door is open, staff member leaves without going inside. (18)
  • 8:46am - JVS Leaves Hotel Tac wearing different clothes, carrying 2 bags (3,15)
  • Takes taxi to Jorge Chavez Airport, but gets freaked out by police. Instead: (19)*
  • Takes a taxi to Peru/Chile border. (13)
June 1st
  • 11pm - Hotel TAC receives call from someone looking for vadersloot. Call was forwarded but noone answered. (8)
June 2nd
  • ~12am - Hotel Receptionist notices Joran owes money for 2 nights, goes up to the room, and knocked on the door. Noone answered, but she heard the television blaring and assumed he was sleeping. She spoke with someone, presumably her manager, and he said to use a spare key to go in. When she went in, she discovered the body. Stephany was wearing only red panties and a black t-shirt, but was half covered with a piece of white clothing. The receptionist turned off the TV and lights on her way out. (8)
  • Joran Enters Chile On Foot - Customs Paperwork (10)
  • Stays in a hotel in Santiago. Leaves his credit cards there. (6 pg. 2)
June 3rd
  • Joran is captured by police while travelling in a taxi on the highway between Santiago and Valparaiso. (11)
  • Extortion Charges Are Filed
June 4th
  • Joran is flown to the border city of Arica to be expelled. (12,14)
  • Joran arrives in Peru, driven across border near Santa Rosa to police station. (12)
June 5th
  • Joran arrives at Lima Police Headquarters. (14)
June 7th
  • Confesses to her murder while in Peruvian Custody.

You can view all of the sources that correspond to the numbers, and the latest version of the timeline, by following the link to the wave in my signature.
 
The new video! :eek: Amazing. He comes out of the room with the "empty" cups. Acts like he shuts the door - doesn't. Then really shuts the door. PRETENDS to knock.

LOOK at his face, his eyes, his demeanor. He almost looks "stoned" - at least his eyes do. I don't get why he keeps looking at the camera and yet doesn't realize that THAT camera just caught him coming OUT of the room with the cups.

His "body language" and facial in this video really speaks!
 
In my opinion, the truly crucial aspect of the Peru case is the highly unusual gap between the alleged time of Stephany's death (early Sunday morning) and her body being found (Wednesday morning). If Joran killed her, the length of time until the body was discovered makes little sense, and imho the explanations offered up ("I'll be back in a few days," "don't bother my girl," etc.) are lame and counter to most everyone's life experiences.

Now, I fully acknowledge that any conspiracy theory has the same problem- how do we explain the gap? Surely, any conspirators would have been smart enough to have the body discovered shortly after Joran left, right? Well, not if this scenario, or something like it happened:

Let's say that Stephany was supposed to be the "bait" to lure Joran into whatever sting was planned for him. What if she felt sorry for him, after meeting him, and backed out? What if she told him everything, and urged him to get out of there quickly? Maybe she gave him her keys and let him take her car- telling him where to leave it (this would give him a head start and take her car away from the hotel, making it less likely they'd think she was staying there). She would have been terribly frightened then- did she just stay in his room for a few days? Maybe she snuck out? Who knows- the point is, under some kind of scenario like that, the later discovery of her body (this would end, of course, with her being killed for betraying them) would make sense. In my view, it's the only theory that explains that nagging three day gap.

Is this far out? Sure, most conspiracy theories are. But then, most conspiracies are far out, too. Okay, ready for comments.


I cannot give you mine on anything you have written. I promised myself no more time outs. :banghead:
 
To make the TAC employee look like he was coming back I guess. But for those who have watched many a soap episodes, it looks like those cups are already empty. If you're holding 2 cups of hot coffee, you don't move around as quickly has he appears to be. Holding with 1 hand, trying to knock on the door, shutting the door. Full cups would spill out of their little sippie.

Maybe it's just me.

Mel
No theyare empty but I still dont quite understand what Im seeing.
I think I see a key (flop) in his other hand? He has the cups in one
hand and something (key?) in the other. Then he shuts the door,. stands
around, then goes to get help opening the door back up.

Where is the video of him or them leaving to get cakes and coffee
in the first place after they had arrived?

I just dont know what Im seeing or the significance of it -
 
In my opinion, the truly crucial aspect of the Peru case is the highly unusual gap between the alleged time of Stephany's death (early Sunday morning) and her body being found (Wednesday morning). If Joran killed her, the length of time until the body was discovered makes little sense, and imho the explanations offered up ("I'll be back in a few days," "don't bother my girl," etc.) are lame and counter to most everyone's life experiences.

Now, I fully acknowledge that any conspiracy theory has the same problem- how do we explain the gap? Surely, any conspirators would have been smart enough to have the body discovered shortly after Joran left, right? Well, not if this scenario, or something like it happened:

Let's say that Stephany was supposed to be the "bait" to lure Joran into whatever sting was planned for him. What if she felt sorry for him, after meeting him, and backed out? What if she told him everything, and urged him to get out of there quickly? Maybe she gave him her keys and let him take her car- telling him where to leave it (this would give him a head start and take her car away from the hotel, making it less likely they'd think she was staying there). She would have been terribly frightened then- did she just stay in his room for a few days? Maybe she snuck out? Who knows- the point is, under some kind of scenario like that, the later discovery of her body (this would end, of course, with her being killed for betraying them) would make sense. In my view, it's the only theory that explains that nagging three day gap.

Is this far out? Sure, most conspiracy theories are. But then, most conspiracies are far out, too. Okay, ready for comments.
Who the heck in their right minds would use a 21 year old child (IMO) as bait?!!
 
Did it say he gave the driver a cell phone, jewelry, perfume?
Yea I caught that and didn't know if that was "translation" stuff. He gave the cabby his cell? Clothes? Perfume? Really?
 
This is all a "mini alibi" after killing Stephany. He goes for the coffee in the white shirt, things got out of hand, he kills her, changes clothes, perhaps showers, now he needs an alibi.

However he is not originally aware of the cameras, so he goes out of his room to pretend to be going into his room perhaps because someone is coming, so he knocks on the door, no answer. Better get the clerk to open the door to let him in.

He had an option at that point to walk into the room while the clerk was there and let the clerk discover the body with him, but I think he saw the camera and decided that wasn't going to work.

I want that coffee trip video.
 
The new video! :eek: Amazing. He comes out of the room with the "empty" cups. Acts like he shuts the door - doesn't. Then really shuts the door. PRETENDS to knock.

LOOK at his face, his eyes, his demeanor. He almost looks "stoned" - at least his eyes do. I don't get why he keeps looking at the camera and yet doesn't realize that THAT camera just caught him coming OUT of the room with the cups.

His "body language" and facial in this video really speaks!
Do we know if he's looking down a hallway or is their a wall there?
 
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