Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #19

[newone]

Or could be that the cab communicated by radio with his dispatcher and let them know needed the police?

Flagging down a cab might be a possibility too you know....there may not be a phone call involved at all-- he would be sticking out like a sore thumb with his howdy doody do after all and there was an arrest warrant (with photo) see the interpol website for that.

:twocents:

 

[mlefey]

OK.

Just that the way the article says they intercepted him as he was boarding implied to me that they were there waiting for him. He would not likely have given his true name to a taxi dispatcher. So again IMO, it seems like they may have known it was him and were there waiting.

If he was stopped in Curacavi, half the way to Vina Del Mar from Santiago... Did he get out of a cab there and boarded a new one? or did he take the cab in Santiago and was in route to Vina?
I guess we will both have to ask or see if he got out in Curacavi from a cab or bus or it was the same cab that picked him out in Santiago

 

[Bobarino]

IMO, he was just going to Vina del Mar because it had tourists and a casino...that seems to be his comfort zone. Maybe he felt he would blend in more there and not be found.

Thanks again.

We're all guessing on his plans. He certainly grew up around a casino and tourists. I was just thinking that having supposedly given away all his money, and given what they were after him for now, and that I think the lack of extradition from Aruba again--I would think he'd want to get to Aruba ASAP. Say from a port closer to where he entered Chile.

Maybe even possible he had been to Vina Del Mar before. But you could be right. But then I think of how he said he saw his pic in the Chilean paper, and the casinos are so open with video cameras as we now know...

And wouldn't his picture be all over the casino,--as that's where they'd expect him to go to?

So no, I really don't think he was going to Vina del Mar for the Casinos. But he is Joran, and may think very differenty.

 

[Bobarino]

Flagging down a cab might be a possibility too you know....there may not be a phone call involved at all-- he would be sticking out like a sore thumb with his howdy doody do after all and there was an arrest warrant (with photo) see the interpol website for that.

:twocents:

Thank you.
Simple and elegant.

 

[Bobarino]

If he was stopped in Curacavi, half the way to Vina Del Mar from Santiago... Did he get out of a cab there and boarded a new one? or did he take the cab in Santiago and was in route to Vina?
I guess we will both have to ask or see if he got out in Curacavi from a cab or bus or it was the same cab that picked him out in Santiago

Very good questions!

 

[hollyblue]

I think its all tactics with him to get his way. He thinks somebody will believe him and if that sets up a confused chaotic situation, then there
is doubt and that is all he needs - he can escape through the cracks.
Isnt that how he escaped in Aruba? Mass chaos. I have seen a lot of people use this tactic especially in financial matters ... you create so much chaos that nobody can figure out what happened then you escape
censure, if only on a 'technicality'.

It's a real technique and it often works ... but not now in this matter.

I pray not. This whole confusion with the 3 lawyers, public, private, woman, Nuvarro, etc. Getting a little confusing...and of course when you don' really understand something..it can be scary.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think its all tactics with him to get his way. He thinks somebody will believe him and if that sets up a confused chaotic situation, then there
is doubt and that is all he needs - he can escape through the cracks.
Isnt that how he escaped in Aruba? Mass chaos. I have seen a lot of people use this tactic especially in financial matters ... you create so much chaos that nobody can figure out what happened then you escape
censure, if only on a 'technicality'.

It's a real technique and it often works ... but not now in this matter.

OH WELL SAID....that's where all this conspiracy nonsense just plays right into his hands!

 

[Bobarino]

I edited my above post RE casinos in vDM.

In case you missed it.

And wouldn't his picture (and [Chilean, Interpol] agents) be all over the casinos,--as that's where they'd expect him to go to?

 

[Cottages]

Let's play pretend

This is going to take a lot of imagination because I don't see how this can happen what so ever but~

Let's pretend JVDS doesn't get denied on the HC. What would happen then? Does he anticipate he can walk out of the prison he's being held right now and saunter over to a cab and catch a ride to the airport and hightail it out of there to either the Netherlands or Aruba?

Would Peru have to turn his passport back over to him pronto?

Like I said above~~~ a whole lot of fantasy there but wonder "if" and what he's thinking (or his lawyer).

I would imagine this is SOP, first file this one and there is a whole laundry lists of other motions to file...etc.

Yes, it's SOP. If you're getting paid to defend someone, you have to file things to look like you're doing something, even silly things that, if successful, would get your client killed (if he were to walk out of jail).

But again, they can throw out the confession, laptop, arrest, whatever. Everything in the hotel room, videos, etc. he can't have thrown out. LE had consent to obtain all that evidence, and he has no privacy interest in that evidence (which is required to have standing to contest...he only has a privacy interest in himself and his belongings). LE would simply re-arrest & re-charge if the arrest was thrown out, or if the things JVS wants thrown out were to be thrown out. Then he'd easily be convicted on the evidence that was left (even half of the evidence left). Double jeopardy doesn't attach until the trial begins (at least in most justice systems' bench trials, including in the U.S).

But it would be entertaining to see him start to walk out of the prison, only to turn around, high tail it back to the gates and start banging on them to let him back in. :banghead:

 

[Bobarino]

[video=youtube;-rFYl6LQp20]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rFYl6LQp20&NR=1[/video]

This series includes Joran going berserk when confronted about the Lie Detector results he did for "Terror Jaap". It's in Dutch in 8 parts. The one in question, as I recall was either in the middle or towards the end. That scene is scary.

Jaap you may recall had his place and computer raided a few weeks ago by Dutch authorities upon request from the FBI RE the extortion matter.

Elsewhere (can't post the source--regs) I read that Jaap saying Joran had to do the lie detector show. He said that Joran owed him, as Jaap helped Joran with a major problem. Said it was about Joran's gambling debt at that time.

 

[rotterdam]

Flagging down a cab might be a possibility too you know....there may not be a phone call involved at all-- he would be sticking out like a sore thumb with his howdy doody do after all and there was an arrest warrant (with photo) see the interpol website for that.

:twocents:

Well we know he called his mother. She already knew Stephany was dead so it must have been after Wednesday. Maybe her phone was monitored and it let them to Joran.

 

[21merc7]

Kat;

As far as Joran's lawyer, I don't know. Cottages covered it fairly well. One other thing that most people may not know, if a client continues to demand something, even though the lawyer has explained until he has exploded, the lawyer usually files whatever the request is, while trying to make it clear to the Judge or within the written motion itself, that this is a client demand. Depending on the nature of that issue, the lawyer may then ask if he can withdraw from the case, as lawyer/client relationship has deteriorated beyond repair. (And is embarrassing the lawyer with foolish Motions, etc...)

This could be what is happening here, I suspect it is, and Alvarez was just asked to stay on and indulge the client until he retains the next lawyer.

 

[georger]

IMO, he was just going to Vina del Mar because it had tourists and a casino...that seems to be his comfort zone. Maybe he felt he would blend in more there and not be found.

But, if he
was in fact broke with nothing left to trade, how does he gamble at a casino or board a ship or do anything? The token foreign currencies and coins he was caught with wouldnt have bought him much? Was he planning to kill and steal more or beg funds from a loan shark? What would he put up for collateral? (Has he ever been into a loan shark before?) And if he has already talked to his mother who told him the world is looking for him for the death of Stephanie, what is he up to, what did he have in mind, and was he actually broke at all - as he contends? We have just assumned the extortion money was all gone but Im not so sure? He gave a lengthy list of assets to Police in Peru. Lots of questions -

 

[21merc7]

This is completely useless. I was just looking for younger photos of Anita Van Der Sloot to compare with Stephany and NH. On the 3rd page of google images, 2 Hall and Oates album covers show up. I thought this is funny! How do Hall and Oates get on a Van Der Sloot image page, how does this relate, lol!

Anyway, I would not know how to do side by side photos to show any comparison at all.

 

[21merc7]

Van Der Sloot Files Complaint Against Police

"I have been denied my right to a proper defense, by imposing an attorney that seems to be the girlfriend of a cop on duty who works in this police department," the complaint states.

"I have been imposed an unofficial translator whom has confused me, with the intention of pressuring me to incriminate myself in the homicide investigation," the complaint states.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/23/peru.murder.case/?hpt=T1

 

[21merc7]

Here is an article explaining a psychiatrists take on what Joran may be up to. It explains the different terms used in the psych evaluation we just heard about. The second page sums up everything we already know, and mentions a few other cases with the same psychological issues.

"Is Mr. van der Sloot telling the truth about what happened that morning in his hotel room? Or is he malingering? Slyly playing the Peruvian justice system to improve his chances of receiving a lighter sentence, extradition or exoneration?"


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...van-der-sloot-setting-his-psychiatric-defense

 

[Unreals]

I'm looking for info on the most basic aspect of this case imaginable- does anyone here know the full, exact name of the hotel in Lima where Joran was staying?

Also, I only caught a bit of Nancy Grace last night, but I'm pretty certain I heard someone mention that the authorities in Peru are claiming the videotape from the security camera outside Joran's room was lost, isn't available or didn't record, for the period of time after Joran left the hotel for good. Was I imagining this? Maybe wishful conspiratorial thinking on my part?

 

[Melanie]

I'm looking for info on the most basic aspect of this case imaginable- does anyone here know the full, exact name of the hotel in Lima where Joran was staying?

Also, I only caught a bit of Nancy Grace last night, but I'm pretty certain I heard someone mention that the authorities in Peru are claiming the videotape from the security camera outside Joran's room was lost, isn't available or didn't record, for the period of time after Joran left the hotel for good. Was I imagining this? Maybe wishful conspiratorial thinking on my part?

Hi Unreals,

The hotel Joran was staying at is called Hotel Miraflores TAC. AKA: Hotel Tac Sac in Lima, Peru

Av.Republica de Panama N.6160, Lima, Peru

I'm not sure how the video of Joran leaving the hotel can be lost, when it's all over the web. But however, here is the link from the 22nd and 23rd. No mention of it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/22/ng.01.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/23/ng.01.html

Best,

Mel

 

[Melanie]

Does anyone know, or can point me to something, about the exact circumstances (how, where, when) that Chilean authorities first got hold of Joran?

I know Joran has a long story about seeing his pic in a local paper and turning himself in that goes on for a while. (That's gottta be a lie.) And IIRC, initially reports said the taxi drivers turned him in. That seems unlikely as they were arrested not rewarded. Unless they were stupid enough to have stuff that Joran gave them as payment that could "fry" not only Joran but the drivers as well. And then contact authorities while they had that stuff?

Something may be off here.

So if Joran's and the drivers' stories are false, just how and when did Chilean authorites first find him?

TIA

Here's what I see:

Van der Sloot reportedly entered Chile on Wednesday and was spotted in Arica, near the Peruvian border, according to investigators. He is currently in police custody in Santiago.

Van der sloot was arrested while in a taxi on his way to Vina del Mar, a coastal city in Chile, according to the paper.

IMHO it doesn't appear he was anywhere near a place to turn himself in (ie, turning back to Peru).

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20390951,00.html

Also,

Joran van der Sloot was caught in a taxi Thursday, several days drive and a country away from the Lima hotel room where the second woman was found face down with a broken neck.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/joran-van-der-sloot-prime_n_598881.html

Hope this helps.

Mel

Note: one paper said he was arrested WED and another on Thu. I'm sure that can be cleared up pretty quick.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Anita Van Der Sloot Said Sneaky Son Would Leave House at Night for Casinos

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/mom-joran-van-der-sloot-sneaky-child-missed/story?id=10997756