Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #19
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Really, Anita? Giving him his own apartment wasn't helping you to keep tabs on your sons activities?
On different occasions, Joran van der Sloot told reporters that Holloway died accidentally, that he killed her and that he sold her into slavery.
In the end, he claimed he was just bragging and lying.
"Maybe he missed a chance to become an actor," his mother said.
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VAN DEN HEUVEL: Well, I (INAUDIBLE) contact with Anita Van Der Sloot a few days or a week ago, and I asked her if she wanted to go and to -- I ask her if she want to give an interview. And I told her maybe it`s OK to give one big interview to a newspaper and for television. So she did for a few reasons. She wants to tell her side of the story and she wants to explain why she thinks Joran is completely sick in his head.
But I was there on Tuesday on Aruba for the interview. And then I asked her, Is it possible to have contact with Joran? And she had Joran several times on the phone. So I ask her, Is it a possibility that I can visit him in Peru? And she said, I cannot guarantee you that, but I can put your name on the visitors list of the Castro Castro prison, so you can try it. So she did. And I flew -- on Saturday, I flew to Peru, and on Sunday I went to the prison. And I went in and my name was on the list.
CASAREZ: So where did you talk to him? Did you get to go into the cell and talk to him or did they take you to another area?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: Yes, it was in his cell. It was also the first time I met him, of course. Of course, I saw him on television directly after the arrest, and at that time he looked very confused, which is not strange, of course. But when I met him, he was amazingly relaxed and it seemed that he accepted the whole situation. He looked relaxed. He laughed sometimes and he was detached. And I spoke 20 minutes with him, and he told me something about the prison -- about the situation in the prison.
CASAREZ: Did he tell you that he killed Stephany Flores?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: No, he didn`t tell that. He didn`t deny it, but he said, I don`t want to say anything about that case. I talked to my lawyer, and he advised me to say -- to say nothing about the case. So he told me something about the situation in prison, but he didn`t want to talk about the case.
Of course, I asked him, Did you murder Stephany Flores? He said, I cannot say anything about it, that that`s the advice of my lawyer.
CASAREZ: Did he talk about that he was tricked, that he -- that they forced him to talk when he didn`t want to?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: Yes. He -- - that`s what he said. He said that the police in Chile and Peru put mental pressure on him to sign the reports. And he said they put a bucket full of water near him and they threatened him to put his head under the water if he didn`t want to declare.
CASAREZ: Say that again? What did he say?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: He said there was a bucket full of water near his -- near him and he said that they threatened him that they`d put his head under water if he didn`t want to declare anything.
JOHN VAN DEN HEUVEL, REPORTER, DE TELEGRAAF, EXCLUSIVE JAILHOUSE INTERVIEW WITH JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (via phone): No, he didn`t say anything about the case as already told. He said, I don`t say anything about it because that`s the case with my lawyer.
The only thing I think what he wants is to be convicted not for murder but for manslaughter. And I talked also to the lawyer for Joran. And he explained murder in Peru can give you 35 years behind prison. And manslaughter maybe only nine years.
Everything Joran says and wants to do is to be convicted for manslaughter.
CASAREZ: So did it sound like to you that he`d been studying the penal code here in Peru? The looking at the laws?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: Yes. I -- believe that. He -- he looks -- he looked very relaxed and calm, and I think he was upset in the first days after the arrest, but now he -- that`s amazing if you know -- this guy`s young, he`s only 22 years old. He had a crazy life the last five years.
I think when you`re in his position you`d be there in that hell -- you had to -- the thought that you maybe have to be there 35 years or more, I think everybody would be in panic. But this guy is very calm and relaxed and it`s really unbelievable.
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VAN DEN HEUVEL: Well, I (INAUDIBLE) contact with Anita Van Der Sloot a few days or a week ago, and I asked her if she wanted to go and to -- I ask her if she want to give an interview. And I told her maybe it`s OK to give one big interview to a newspaper and for television. So she did for a few reasons. She wants to tell her side of the story and she wants to explain why she thinks Joran is completely sick in his head.
But I was there on Tuesday on Aruba for the interview. And then I asked her, Is it possible to have contact with Joran? And she had Joran several times on the phone. So I ask her, Is it a possibility that I can visit him in Peru? And she said, I cannot guarantee you that, but I can put your name on the visitors list of the Castro Castro prison, so you can try it. So she did. And I flew -- on Saturday, I flew to Peru, and on Sunday I went to the prison. And I went in and my name was on the list.
CASAREZ: So where did you talk to him? Did you get to go into the cell and talk to him or did they take you to another area?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: Yes, it was in his cell. It was also the first time I met him, of course. Of course, I saw him on television directly after the arrest, and at that time he looked very confused, which is not strange, of course. But when I met him, he was amazingly relaxed and it seemed that he accepted the whole situation. He looked relaxed. He laughed sometimes and he was detached. And I spoke 20 minutes with him, and he told me something about the prison -- about the situation in the prison.
CASAREZ: Did he tell you that he killed Stephany Flores?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: No, he didn`t tell that. He didn`t deny it, but he said, I don`t want to say anything about that case. I talked to my lawyer, and he advised me to say -- to say nothing about the case. So he told me something about the situation in prison, but he didn`t want to talk about the case.
Of course, I asked him, Did you murder Stephany Flores? He said, I cannot say anything about it, that that`s the advice of my lawyer.
CASAREZ: Did he talk about that he was tricked, that he -- that they forced him to talk when he didn`t want to?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: Yes. He -- - that`s what he said. He said that the police in Chile and Peru put mental pressure on him to sign the reports. And he said they put a bucket full of water near him and they threatened him to put his head under the water if he didn`t want to declare.
CASAREZ: Say that again? What did he say?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: He said there was a bucket full of water near his -- near him and he said that they threatened him that they`d put his head under water if he didn`t want to declare anything.
JOHN VAN DEN HEUVEL, REPORTER, DE TELEGRAAF, EXCLUSIVE JAILHOUSE INTERVIEW WITH JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (via phone): No, he didn`t say anything about the case as already told. He said, I don`t say anything about it because that`s the case with my lawyer.
The only thing I think what he wants is to be convicted not for murder but for manslaughter. And I talked also to the lawyer for Joran. And he explained murder in Peru can give you 35 years behind prison. And manslaughter maybe only nine years.
Everything Joran says and wants to do is to be convicted for manslaughter.
CASAREZ: So did it sound like to you that he`d been studying the penal code here in Peru? The looking at the laws?
VAN DEN HEUVEL: Yes. I -- believe that. He -- he looks -- he looked very relaxed and calm, and I think he was upset in the first days after the arrest, but now he -- that`s amazing if you know -- this guy`s young, he`s only 22 years old. He had a crazy life the last five years.
I think when you`re in his position you`d be there in that hell -- you had to -- the thought that you maybe have to be there 35 years or more, I think everybody would be in panic. But this guy is very calm and relaxed and it`s really unbelievable.
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/23/ng.01.html
I watched the entire show last night and did not hear anyone say that the security camera was lost, isn't available or didn't record.
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Thank you for the Who's Who link Sanny. The captions underneath the images are very helpful. As the saga of lies continues ... the list will just keep getting longer and longer, eh? Compliments of :liar: JVDS
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My take on AVS statement: "Maybe he missed a chance to become an actor," his mother said.
Joran probably would have made a good actor. Actors play roles of characters, and speaks words they probably would never say as themselves in normal day life.
I don't have a problem with AVS getting an apartment for her son. It probably was less stressful for in her daily life to get him out of the house so she had peace to raise her younger children and go to work.
My son would sneak out of the house, in the middle of the night also and I had no clue.
Joran probably would have made a good actor. Actors play roles of characters, and speaks words they probably would never say as themselves in normal day life.
I don't have a problem with AVS getting an apartment for her son. It probably was less stressful for in her daily life to get him out of the house so she had peace to raise her younger children and go to work.
My son would sneak out of the house, in the middle of the night also and I had no clue.
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Nightline coverage on Anita's interview:
She's still perpetuating the lie that Natalee was dropped off at the Holiday Inn when security tapes proved that was a lie within 24 hours.
Maybe Joran gets his acting skills from his mother.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/
BTW... we all were surprised when JVS wasn't handcuffed when we first saw him with the Chilean authorities. I'm guessing it's because he wasn't under arrest at that times as he's now claiming.
She's still perpetuating the lie that Natalee was dropped off at the Holiday Inn when security tapes proved that was a lie within 24 hours.
Maybe Joran gets his acting skills from his mother.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/
BTW... we all were surprised when JVS wasn't handcuffed when we first saw him with the Chilean authorities. I'm guessing it's because he wasn't under arrest at that times as he's now claiming.
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I did hear about the camera either not working, or not installed, however I don't remember where I heard it. Yesterday, I was only listening to In-Sessions, Prime News, Issues and Nancy. Ruled out Nancy and Issues for the last two nights.
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You're right. They were just holding him under a citizen alert issued by Peru Interpol. Once they had him, an international arrest warrant was sent to Chile by Peru Interpol.
There was a Dutch article, by the same person who interviewed Joran I believe, about cameras never being in the hotel before and that the camera was gone when he went to the hotel.
IMO it was not factual but speculating about the possibility that it was an FBI sting, playing on Joran's claim that the FBI lured him to Peru. It was also said that the hotel staff was on a gag order and it was intimated that that was suspicious too.
There are many holes in his stories.
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I found the fuller interview of AVS to be genuine and being who she is and not playing any role other then a mother who is dealing with the pain of what her son has done to Stephany.
AVS is holding her stand regarding Natalie's disappearance, however this may change as time moves forward in the murder trial against Joran.
I can't even imagine what AVS is going through as a mother and having to speak the words she has with regards to her son and what he has done. Although her pain is nothing in comparison to the other two families.
AVS is holding her stand regarding Natalie's disappearance, however this may change as time moves forward in the murder trial against Joran.
I can't even imagine what AVS is going through as a mother and having to speak the words she has with regards to her son and what he has done. Although her pain is nothing in comparison to the other two families.
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The issue about the camera was brought up on NG last night. It was just a hypothetical question posed to Micheal Griffith about what happens if the video surveillance is contaminated or edited and they can't find the tape from the two days after Joran left the hotel room. It was a brief part of the conversation and Michael Griffith just fluffed over and ignored it and went on about something else entirely. I don't even know why JC posed the question because the caller's question had nothing to do with that. The caller wanted to know if he was being video taped now in his jail cell at Castro Castro or during his conversations with his card playing buddy. Here's the part of the transcript in question...
JENNIFER, CALLER FROM WASHINGTON: Hi, yes, I had a comment first. I really hope that they`re taping this in jail right now because from the kind of person he seems to be he is probably bragging himself silly to the guy he`s playing cards with.
But my question is whether if this complaint of him not having a valid warrant when he was picked up in Chile, if that is ruled in his favor, will the evidence that they found such as his laptop and what he`s told be no -- poison the tree, so to speak, or will it still be eligible in court in the -- by Peruvian law?
CASAREZ: Really good question. Let`s go first out to Ron Shindel, former New York police deputy inspector.
He`s in Castro Castro right now, and I`ll tell you something, there`s a lot of guards around there. He is in solitary confinement, but if there`s one thing I learned about Peru, they have video cameras every where. On the streets, in the buildings, in the beauty shops, every where.
Do you think they`re recording him in his cell right now?
RON SHINDEL, FORMER NYPD DEPUTY INSPECTOR: Absolutely, Jean. They`re going to keep a close eye on this guy as possible. They`re going to use CCTV, they`re going to use surveillance in any way they can. They probably have a guard watching him, too, you know, 24/7.
This is their big case down there and they want to make sure it goes right. They`re going to keep their eyes on him, whether it`s through a camera or direct surveillance by an officer down there.
CASAREZ: To Michael Griffith, international criminal defense attorney, you have defended many cases here in Peru. Let`s look at the confession, let`s look at the video surveillance tape.
If there was corruption and even mistreatment of Joran Van Der Sloot during that interrogation, how do we know that the videotape surveillance, as the caller said, isn`t contaminated in some way?
MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY/CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, they`re usually not contaminated. These are excuses that people give when they`re guilty. He can make a complaint under the 1963 --
CASAREZ: Well, what about if it`s edited? What about if it`s edited and they can`t find the other two days before her body was found?
GRIFFITH: Well, I mean, it could be, but to my experience I doubt it. What the family should be doing now is -- you`ve heard me say before, Jean, you know, I was in that prison in Turkey, Midnight Express, my client, Bill Hayes.
That`s the Ritz Carlton compared to Lurigancho where he`s going. I don`t think he`s going to survive Lurigancho. What the family should be doing now, having their lawyer go down or you can even do it, Jean.
Go to the embassy. Go and speak to the Department of Justice and ask them what they`re doing to put pressure on him to give up where Natalee Holloway`s body is. Because he can extradited back to the U.S.
But you know, by that point eight or nine years, we can`t have the family wait that long. They must press him as to where Natalee`s body is now because he may die in Lurigancho. They`ll never know.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/23/ng.01.html
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I'm curious about the fact that journalists were banned from the hotel for some time after the crime. Has that been lifted? How did he get in to notice this camera missing? Did he do this when he was down there interviewing Joran last Saturday? He tried to speak to the owners and they wouldn't talk to him but allowed him into the hotel and up to that floor? Where is the picture of the wall with the missing camera? Why haven't any other reporters gone in and taken pictures after the fact?
I think he was just reporting on rumours and hearsay around the hotel. Although it would not be a surprise at all that the camera has been removed as evidence anyway.
We never really did find out what kind of surveillance system they have in the hotel and how those cameras work. Are they CCTV or digital/internet based? Based on the images that we were seeing, they appear to be of good quality and are more likely digital/internet based as opposed to CCTV. That kind of system records and keeps tape forever on a computer until it's deleted by the operator I believe.
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Thanks, but I heard on one of the shows about a camera not being installed or something like that ...
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Witness statement from hotel worker that found Stephany's body:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...murdered-woman-joran-van-der-sloots-room-read
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...murdered-woman-joran-van-der-sloots-room-read
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Don't forget to post new links to articles etc. in the Media thread.
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To add to the camera muddle, iirc, a couple of days ago it was part of the FBI setting Joran up story. The story was that the hotel did not have cameras before Joran went to Peru, the cameras were put in just for Joran's FBI sting. The cameras were then removed AFTER Joran left the hotel. There was some discussion, can't remember which thread. I do remember that it was stated (don't know if speculation or news article) that IF the cameras were removed, it was by the crime scene forensic people, so that they could gather all info. Just have to go back a thread or two and scroll through, it was lengthy conversation.
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