Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #19

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Sorry, I don't really know anything about Lori Berenson, the MRTA or the Shining Path, other than what I just read on wikipedia.

Sorry to go a little off-topic here. I'm really not an expert on revolutionary groups, but I did find on Wikipedia that the MRTA (Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement) and the Shining Path (a Maoist group with members in Castro Castro) are rivals that had "violent clashes" with each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BApac_Amaru_Revolutionary_Movement

wonder why the Shining Path prisoners are so vicious in prison?
 
Because he tore them off forcefully. The attack started with her fully dressed. The rape never happened because she fought like a tiger and he killed her in a fury before he got that far. IMO.

Mrs. G, understand what your saying, but they are saying her pants didn't have any blood on them. How can that be? Not being argumentative here, just debating and trying to find answers.....:innocent:
 
NG Jean talking about her interview with Dutch reporter (last night) and how Joran kept going over the penal code of Peru and how he could reduce his sentence (by being convicted of manslaughter instead of murder). NG wants to know where Joran is getting his information. Jean speculating it may come from conversations with Colombian hitman or his attorney.

Dr. Dhar (guest) being asked about Stephany's injuries, DNA under nails and no scratches seen on Joran. Dr. said SF's spinal cord would be broken. SF would be struggling, hemorrhaging from nose, ankle bruises could be from being tied up :waitasec: and NG asks again about her eye being out of the socket :waitasec:. The Dr. says J is a huge guy and SF didn't have a chance.

Michael Griffith on again talking about Lurigancho and Joran may not survive.

Nancy just LOVES talking about that dangling eyeball. (Ugh, that's even difficult for me to type that.)
 
What I don't understand is why the ROL crime scene photos of her Nike t-shirt only shows one spot of blood on it, when her body was found wearing the t-shirt.

And the CBS crime scene photos show one of her bloody shoes being found on the floor on the other side of the bed.

Something just doesn't jive here re: her clothing.

Great minds think alike.
 
(snip)
Aside from that, I'm not thoroughly convinced that she doesn't know more about what happened to Natalee than most seem to think.

Does anyone remember Mark Hacking's mother? She did none of this type thing. She stated that she loved her son. She was enormously apologetic for what her son did. She never denied or covered up or tried to spin it into anything more than it was. That's how one should handle it, IMO.



I agree with your final paragraph but I also think the media has been like rabid dogs in this case in comparison. I don't think they would have been satisfied by a simple statement like that coming from Mrs. VS.

JMO
 
NG Nancy talking about the DNA found under SF's nails, and how Joran attempted to clean up the room. Nancy also talking about the suffering SF would've endured before her death.

Caller wants to know why SF went to his room; by her body language she doesn't seem to want to be there; maybe he conned her into loaning him money and took her to the room promising to repay her. Caller thinks casino video looks like he may have owed her money. Ellie saying they had met a few days prior and this is a theory LE has been looking at.

NG to Dr. Bethany Marshall about SF's demeanor. Dr. M says J could've been "working her" over a couple days, she looks ashamed; he was in a predatory mode; she talks about the long savage attack and extreme rage as if she had it coming to her.

Caller asking about DNA technology and forensic lab in Peru. Jean says they have a huge lab and very advanced.

Eleanor Odom, Michael Griffith, Daniel Horowitz, Peter Odom on panel.

EO: intense struggle, personal attack unlike a gun shooting someone from a distance, shows J's mindset.
 
Autopsy Report - Official released
- we don't hear bout t possibility that she fought back
- we don't hear bout VDS bruises, scratches, etc. (coffee shop woman didn't see - unless murdered her after)

bolded by me.

If she had skin under her nails from trying to fight him off, then where are the scratches are on his body? Apparently not his face, but did he have scratches on his torso, arms or hands?
 
NG to Daniel Horowitz re: SF ingesting amphetamine. He doesn't believe that is something J would've given her; describing ferocious struggle that probably lasted minutes due to her bruising (won't bruise after death).

Michael Griffith: NG asking him about J cleaning up room. His opinion is J probably got email from Netherlands (with time difference); believes the intent was sexual assault and led to the struggle. NG asking again about cleanup saying it shows he was in his right mind.
 
I thought someone posted earlier that there was a gag order for the hotel staff.
:waitasec:

In one of the photos NG just showed of the shoe I think I saw a woman's thumb on it. Would that be OK to do with crime scene evidence [hold it up for the camera]? There was no glove on it. FWIW.

Isn't that information from the hotel clerk coming from her official statement to police? I don't know that anyone from the hotel has spoken to the media.
 
Questions for later

How old is M Griffith?

What about the unprotected hand holding up the shoe in the photo?
 
Actually, he only said that he didn't pay her hence the discussion here about other networks licensing.

CASAREZ: You know, John, I just have to ask you this because people are going to wonder. Were you paid to do this interview? Did you pay the family to do this interview?

VAN DEN HEUVEL: No. No. I didn`t pay anything. I asked Anita to give an interview. I talked to her. It was for two reasons. She wants to -- she wants to give her point of view and she wants to let the world know that she thinks that Joran is totally crazy and sick in his head, but I don`t pay nothing for the interview.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/23/ng.01.html


Van Den Heuvel sold the interview to ABC. It is different if ABC did the interview first hand and paid for video/photos through ABC licensing agreements.
 
Questions for later

How old is M Griffith?

What about the unprotected hand holding up the shoe in the photo?
Just curious why you're interested in his age? Something he said?
 
Her pants must have been folded and in an area well guarded from the blood splatter. Tho her back tee didn't seem to be filled with blood either.... Maybe she did take her clothers off and put on JVS shirt to sleep in. It would have been as big and long as a night shirt or dress on her. He then takes the shirt off after the deed and redresses her in the tee. ??? Don't quite know, but something is hinky with the clothing so far....IMO ?????

He didn't get that far - looks like just the pants. Don't believe he got her T-shirt, bra, panties off. Struggle>the beating. He wanted a female that night (anniversary); lured her up; etc. She said, No. Repeat of NH murder - IMO, sexually motivated.
 
I honestly can't understand Stephany's clothing being off her body either or why she would've removed it voluntarily. From all appearances it didn't seem she was "interested" in Joran, and also the report about the sanitary napkin would seem that she didn't intend to have sex with him. MOO

I thought it was reported that Joran removed her jeans after he killed her.
 
I agree with your final paragraph but I also think the media has been like rabid dogs in this case in comparison. I don't think they would have been satisfied by a simple statement like that coming from Mrs. VS.

JMO

The media can't quote what AVS does not say.
No interviews (only a written statement) end of
story.

JMHO
 
I certainly do not condemn Anita for giving birth to Joran, a murderer. And I'm also aware of the terrible position she finds herself presently in. It's true, she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. That's why I don't understand why parents of the accused don't limit themselves to two comments.

1) I love my child and will not abandon him/her in their time of need.
2) No further comment

Although admittedly is easy to be an armchair psychologist, I'm critical of the way it appears that she turned a blind eye to early problems, especially being a teacher that should have been trained to pick up on such indicators, rather than dealing with them head on. I'm critical of her for instead of dealing with these problems, she took the 'out of sight, out of mind' approach and allowed him to live apart from the rest of the family and to come and go at his will. I'm critical of her for allowing him the funds by way of a very large amount of money on account with which to gamble and drink at the casino while he was under the legal age to do so. I'm critical of the way she blamed (and continues to blame) others for his problems, specifically Natalee and her family. And I'm critical of her trying to spin his current problems into a mental disorder, thus further not holding him responsible or making him be responsible for his own actions.

Aside from that, I'm not thoroughly convinced that she doesn't know more about what happened to Natalee than most seem to think.

Does anyone remember Mark Hacking's mother? She did none of this type thing. She stated that she loved her son. She was enormously apologetic for what her son did. She never denied or covered up or tried to spin it into anything more than it was. That's how one should handle it, IMO.

I couldn't have said it any better, but my feelings exactly Suzihawk. TY

I think the difference in MH and JVS, MH finally admitted to the murder under his brother's guidance. ??
 
NG reporting that Stephany was not wearing her shoes at the time of the murder. Has it ever been reported that Stephany had her shoes off before Joran murdered her?
 
- head of homicide told her (reporter) about his effort to clean up scene>but left them (sheets, spread) there
- shirt to strangle her?
JC: he smothered her with it (shirt)
JC: basis of the robbery was greater than jewelry - watch and ring left there
robbery was for car and her money
it's not a sincere confession - struggle is left out
NG: crime scene photos belie what he is saying.
 
It was also just stated he was not interested in her jewelry, just the money and the car
 
As soon as he was busted for her murder>NG says, he called Mommy

?: We learn it wasn't a court-appointed atty; she showed up (w/other atttys?) and he actually chose her

JC: 2 bros, the cab drivers, actually did not show up today


?: That sounds like JVS, picking the female he thought he could smoooze. RE: cab drivers...heard they submitted something in writing to judge for them not being present in court.
 
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