Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #21

[annalia]

Bradshaw is indeed an excellent source for understand dysfunctional families; as someone who grew up with a narcissistic mother, I can attest to how she saw anything we did as children or adults as a reflection on her. It may be that Paulus, as well, operated from this same enmeshed perspective--that if Joran was held responsible for what happened to Natalee, it would reflect on his own status as a member of the legal community.
The other way to look at it would be to figure that a child is his or her own person and must be held accountable in order to learn that actions have consequences--legal, moral and social consequences. And when people escape legal consequences, the social ones often kick in (e.g., O.J. Simpson and Steeler QB Ben Roethlisberger, who wasn't charge with sexual assault for his latest bit of bad behavior but is pretty much as popular as a skunk at a garden party.)

My bolding

Anita did say that even though they had problems with Joran pre Natalee, Paulus didn't want Joran to get help after Natalee disappeared because it might make him look guilty.

 

[hollyblue]

Thanks for the good info, Doobie!! I bet JVS thought that by removing the SIM card they couldn't track his number and know his location. I know that's what I would have thought!

I've heard so many variations on this subject regarding cell phones. Removing the SIMS card, turning the phone off or removing the battery. I'm thinking it must be down to what kind of phone you have. ? But I sure would like some finite answers to this. ????? Maybe it's not out there because LE doesn't want it to be, but it comes up in most cases discussed on WS. I'm no techie either.

 

[suzihawk]

"Natalee Holloway" movie on Lifetime channel tonight at 8p

Followed by "What Happened to Natalle Holloway" at 10p. An investigation into the 2005 disappearance of Natalle Holloway, the Alabama teen who vanished in Aruba.

 

[panthera]

"Natalee Holloway" movie on Lifetime channel tonight at 8p

Followed by "What Happened to Natalle Holloway" at 10p. An investigation into the 2005 disappearance of Natalle Holloway, the Alabama teen who vanished in Aruba.

Thanks for the reminder! I might as well watch some of it since the race is still in a rain delay!

 

[hollyblue]

Did Nancy Grace get her story from Enquirer? Then her panel took it a few steps farther? I have no idea how she keeps her job with the way she lies and then treats her panelists like crap. She's as bad as Joran in the lying department. Maybe we ought to analyze her too.

I think NG would do best to keep and get more viewers if she would truly get up to speed with info and drop the drama of bombshells and sarcastically attacking her panelists. The show is hurting in the "investigative" department and seems to be very much scripted now--like NY Housewives, etc. (Reality TV evolution?) The original idea and qwest of her show has seemed to diminish unless it's in FL with the Sunshine Laws that give more access to info. I don't think LE wants anything to do with her and I know in one case she tried to get info...LE would not speak to her and told the locals to do the same. I still watch her to get the news on new cases, and to follow along, but am finding it irritating to sift through that drama to get to the gist. Some of the people I swear are on there for the sound of their voice alone. :shocked2: If you have ever called in to a program you know the call is screened and prolly has a delay of some sort. There are so many questions that could be posed...but somehow never come up. And no, I've never called in to her. Use to on the financial program the Doolin's had many moons ago.
I think JC is doing a good job in Lima, but I'd like to see more......like the interior of the casino---especially the areas where JVS and SF were that night....the route so to speak and the views from different angles besides the video.

 

[hollyblue]

This article lists the timeline for Stephany on 5/29 and for Stephany and Joran on 5/30.

It lists Elton Garcia as being at the casino poker table with them on 5/30....so maybe he is the man in the striped green shirt!!??!! :waitasec:

http://translate.google.com/transla...ne/Html/2010-06-04/ontractualidad1093031.html

I think you may be right. Thanks for the link FLNY. I thought the video of her walking in was more around 2AM? IIRC. Now I'll have to go back and check...... Everytime any casino video comes up...I'm stuck there ....going over and over and over!!!!!!!!!

 

[suzihawk]

This article lists the timeline for Stephany on 5/29 and for Stephany and Joran on 5/30.

It lists Elton Garcia as being at the casino poker table with them on 5/30....so maybe he is the man in the striped green shirt!!??!! :waitasec:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrome.pe%2Ftonline%2FHtml%2F2010-06-04%2Fontractualidad1093031.html

Thanks, FLNY. I'm wondering about the acuracy of this timeline. I wish there was a date that this information was published. Wasn't it determined that the following wasn't accurate?

8:10 a.m.: The subject goes out to buy bread and two cups of coffee in Wong.

:waitasec:

 

[suzihawk]

Did Nancy Grace get her story from Enquirer? Then her panel took it a few steps farther? I have no idea how she keeps her job with the way she lies and then treats her panelists like crap. She's as bad as Joran in the lying department. Maybe we ought to analyze her too.

The story on NG's site about Thailand investigating missing girls in Thailand is no longer on her page. It's just gone. Poof... disappeared.

Interesting...

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/


This is what was on yesterday. Not a trace of it now...

 

[TwiceIrish]

Van der Sloot files suit against initial lawyer

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hP65mkhJDnoedFlSx7Qa2IAc18gAD9GNT9200

From this link:

AP) – 36 minutes ago

LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot has sued the lawyer who represented him during a police interrogation on the day that authorities say the Dutchman confessed to killing a Peruvian woman, his current attorney said Saturday.

Maximo Altez told The Associated Press he filed suit Friday charging attorney Luz Romero Chinchay with misrepresentation, abuse of authority and conspiracy to commit a crime. Altez said the initial lawyer "pretended to be a public advocate when he is actually a private attorney."

 

[FLNY]

Thanks, FLNY. I'm wondering about the acuracy of this timeline. I wish there was a date that this information was published. Wasn't it determined that the following wasn't accurate?

8:10 a.m.: The subject goes out to buy bread and two cups of coffee in Wong.

:waitasec:

I don't believe this timeline was done recently. I think it was done within the first week in June, right before or around the time they found her body. I remember reading then about SF's whereabouts on May 29, but I don't recall if specific times were given.

And, yes, they did confirm that the Wong market was closed and the coffee was purchased at the gas station, IIRC.

 

[Carrington]

Van der Sloot files suit against initial lawyer

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hP65mkhJDnoedFlSx7Qa2IAc18gAD9GNT9200

From this link:

AP) – 36 minutes ago

LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot has sued the lawyer who represented him during a police interrogation on the day that authorities say the Dutchman confessed to killing a Peruvian woman, his current attorney said Saturday.

Maximo Altez told The Associated Press he filed suit Friday charging attorney Luz Romero Chinchay with misrepresentation, abuse of authority and conspiracy to commit a crime. Altez said the initial lawyer "pretended to be a public advocate when he is actually a private attorney."

This makes no sense to me at all. I'm calling BS, paid attorney vs public defender, and he's suing. ?????
He really really wants to get on the wrong side of everybody.

IMO

 

[TwiceIrish]

This makes no sense to me at all. I'm calling BS, paid attorney vs public defender, and he's suing. ?????
He really really wants to get on the wrong side of everybody.

IMO

Further on in the same article it mentions this:

Altez said he also has filed suit charging the same offenses against Col. Miguel Canlla, chief of the police homicide squad, who led the interrogation of Van der Sloot.

Doesn't make much sense to me either...other than running up billable hours for Mr. Altez. Use up all the cash reserves JVS may have access to and then drop him when he can't pay him anymore. Unless Mr. Altez thinks Joran can get a hold of that cool million he wants.

He did promise to paralyse the system, so looks like the two of them are reaching deep into their magic hat for who to sue next. I don't think this is going to play out very well for JVS in the long run. And, I've always thought there was something odd about Mr. Altez refusing the case based on death threats then doing a 180.

 

[Carrington]

Makes me wonder who's side Mr. Altez on really on.
Death threats if he didn't defend him ?????
IMO

 

[FLNY]

Van der Sloot files suit against initial lawyer

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hP65mkhJDnoedFlSx7Qa2IAc18gAD9GNT9200

From this link:

AP) – 36 minutes ago

LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot has sued the lawyer who represented him during a police interrogation on the day that authorities say the Dutchman confessed to killing a Peruvian woman, his current attorney said Saturday.

Maximo Altez told The Associated Press he filed suit Friday charging attorney Luz Romero Chinchay with misrepresentation, abuse of authority and conspiracy to commit a crime. Altez said the initial lawyer "pretended to be a public advocate when he is actually a private attorney."

Uh-oh!

"As to the attorney who reportedly appeared with Joran when he confessed, CNN confirms with the public defender appointed for him that it wasn't her, and that Joran refused to make a statement while she was with him.

[Carla]Odria said that she spoke to Joran and advised him of his rights including his right to remain silent. She says Joran did not wish to give a statement at that time saying he was too tired after his trip from the border. Since Joran wouldn’t speak Odria suspended the proceeding and left.

We have been able to confirm that the attorney listed in the confession document named Dr. Luz Marina Romero Chinchay is not a court appointed defense attorney with the Attorney General’s office, but a private attorney. We do not know if Joran consented to this attorney.

If the court finds that the confession was botched it will be annulled and a new interrogation will have to take place....So the question remains, who hired attorney Chinchay?"

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/24/132143/194

Howwwevvvver....the first question in his confession would make it seem that he agreed to the use of the attorney who was present, so has no grounds for a lawsuit:

"1.Via translator : Do you have advice from a lawyer for that statement ?

- My lawyer is present."

http://translate.google.com/transla...Verklaring_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html?cid=rss

 

[marikesh]

The story on NG's site about Thailand investigating missing girls in Aruba is no longer on her page. It's just gone. Poof... disappeared.

Interesting...

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/


This is what was on yesterday. Not a trace of it now...

I imagine his total of 7 defenders flooded Nancy's show with their 20 alter ego's (each) and got Nancy stopped, lol.

 

[marikesh]

Further on in the same article it mentions this:

Altez said he also has filed suit charging the same offenses against Col. Miguel Canlla, chief of the police homicide squad, who led the interrogation of Van der Sloot.

Doesn't make much sense to me either...other than running up billable hours for Mr. Altez. Use up all the cash reserves JVS may have access to and then drop him when he can't pay him anymore. Unless Mr. Altez thinks Joran can get a hold of that cool million he wants.

He did promise to paralyse the system, so looks like the two of them are reaching deep into their magic hat for who to sue next. I don't think this is going to play out very well for JVS in the long run. And, I've always thought there was something odd about Mr. Altez refusing the case based on death threats then doing a 180.

Judging by the "toasting" going on at FB, I wonder if Melody Granadillo and her money are soon parted.
Let them. It's expected of them but it still doesn't weigh in. The evidence alone is enough, no matter what BS they come up with.

 

[marikesh]

Makes me wonder who's side Mr. Altez on really on.
Death threats if he didn't defend him ?????
IMO

Nah, I think he saw money and his last shot at world "fame" before he retires. My own opinion of course.
Lawyers do well, but it's the last and I do mean very last job I would ever want. One has to be willing to let go of personal principles undertaking the defense of a criminal.

 

[suzihawk]

Wasn't it reported that while Tacopina wasn't going to Peru directly that he would be consulting? Maybe he's behind some of these idiotic legal maneuvers?

 

[georger]

If he did contract AIDS in Thailand, that's a very short time frame and can only be diagnosed with special blood tests that may prove he has the AIDS virus; far from full blown AIDS and many symptoms.

see:

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiv[/ame]

and from the CDC see:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/

 

[georger]

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/natale...n-der-sloot-confesses/story?id=9917465&page=2

http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/

Worried about HIV? lol, according to above links Joran always wore condoms...

Condom use is not a universal preventitive, sorry. The issue is exchange
of bodily fluids carrying the HIV virus into the blood stream - see:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/