Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #21

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asiabrasil said:
I thought of that but....
'Sometimes" smokers (cigarettes or weed) don't normally carry lighters in their designer jeans pockets just in case.
She is (for a woman) packing extremely lightly. No purse, no fanny pack, nothing except for a cell phone, that teeny coin purse, a pen, and 2 lighters. The very first thing I noticed in the video of her entering the casino was her lack of a normal sized purse. Now, maybe in Peru with the high crime rate, women don't carry purses, but at any rate, she carried almost nothing with her, therefore the lighters must have been important to her for some reason.

The other possibility of course is that they were Joran's and somehow Peru LE mistakenly noted them as hers. That would be really strange if true.
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If you look closely in the video as she wlks in and gets closer to the table, leaning forward a bit, there is something loose hanging from the waistfront, out of which she seems to take some chips or money. IMO anyway.
 
asiabrasil said:
Ah. I had not heard that quote, but just from her body language I thought so too. Not that that's a bad thing at all. (I happen to prefer that type of woman) Sr. Flores has said he sheltered Stephany too much from "the bad", but I think she was plenty savvy. I highly doubt she would have gone to the room of a Peruvian she had only met a few times. I think the reason she is hanging her head in the hotel video is because she is ashamed to be seen entering that particular hotel with a man at that hour. Surely the last thing she expected from a clean cut, well spoken foreigner was violence. Anyway, back to the smoking. Does anyone know where the poker players have to go to smoke at that casino? I'm surprised there are no ashtrays on the tables. IME, social/occasional smokers don't usually carry lighters, so why doesn't SF have her cigarettes with her (assuming she smokes)? And, if she did have them somehow in a pocket of her clothing, why were they not found in Joran's room? I am interested in the DNA from the butts in the room too. Did she have time to have a smoke before he killed her?
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I do agree she was savvy and likely wouldn't have gone to one of those rooms with a Peruvian, also possibly the reason for hanging her head.
In the casino when the game was over and they were leaving, Joran didn't have chips to cash in but Stepheny did. There's also a link around from SBS I believe that Joran had been frantically messaging his friends in Aruba and Holland to lend him some money on the 27th already. Melody confrimed his call to her, and those he spoke to in Holland, he wasn't very nice to when they didn't come across with money, telling them he didn't need them later if they couldn't help him now, and that his mother was sending him some. (If one can believe that.) Some posters were also wondering if the money that was sent from FBI to Holland bank was frozen immediately and he couldn't get his money out.
The following could be why Stepheny went with Joran. If he promised her money return if she went to the room and for that reason got onto the computer to check his bank account and relaized he didn't have anything, well that is anyone's guess.

Stephany allegedly lent Joran money

Stephany won $ 10,000 in the game, says family lawyer
Netherlands took her to the hotel under the pretext of giving back money he borrowed.

Noticias Ramirez Flores had won no less than $ 10,000 playing poker in Atlantic City casino de Miraflores, money that has disappeared, said family lawyer Edward Alvarez.

He added that half of the game, Stephany lent money to the Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot to continue betting on hearing that he had lost everything. One of the assumptions in the research is that the alien made Stephany accompany him to the hotel "Tac" supposed to return the borrowed money.

Edward Alvarez's lawyer added that another hypothesis is that Stephany went to the hotel to learn some techniques Dutchman's view that gambling is going to make a tournament, which is less credible, given that she was best player in the Netherlands.

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Sounds like this might be speculations but if it is true that he lost money and she lent money to him, it would be caught on the surveillance video?

The last paragraph doesn't make sense but probably lost in tranlsation.


http://www.capital.com.pe/2010-06-1...ice-abogado-de-su-familia-noticia_271298.html
 
suzihawk said:
Like everyone else, I've given a lot of thought to why Stephany went to his room in the first place and I keep coming up empty. A lot of well thought out and possible theories, but we'll never know, IMO.

We know he had the capability of being 'charming' and I'm sure he was able to disarm her if she initially felt uncomfortable with the idea of going to a 'stranger's' room so that she'd have no reason to feel she was in any danger.

Her odd demeanor in following him to the room can be explained by any number of things. Maybe it was simply fatigue? They'd been gambling all night, after all. She laid her head on the table and looked very tired at one point.

We've all been in the position at one time or another of going into a situation thinking everything was okay while simultaneously your subconcious knows better. We only realize these subconcious warnings afterwards when we've escaped some sort of disaster. "Wow, I shouldn't have done that. I knew something was wrong." Maybe her body language was reflecting her subconcious and inate feelings of danger ?

As to her purpose for going to his room and how he convinced to go with him? Again, we'll never really know. To attempt a guess, I'd have to first know if he lured her there with the expressed intent of killing her or whether it was the result of his rage over something that occurred once he got her in the room. I haven't decided which that is.
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One of the many things that is bothering me is how Stephany appears more lively and talkative when leaving the casino with Joran...but then appears docile and almost subservient when entering the hotel and his room. Of course, it may just be fatigue or embarassment. Who knows??!!??

MOO
 
Has it been confirmed that those last phone messages were right before going to Joran's room. The one that said "going up now"?

If so, I think money was involved with going to his room, or buying the computer. I think she was scared to do so or would never have said "going up now" as if to let someone know where she was, just in case.

Guess we will never know the truth of why she went there though. :(
 
hollyblue said:
It's late so I hope I can get away with this. Let your girls know. Most of the time... the more dangerous ones are like the worst of farts.....silent but deadly.
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LOL. Once they are exposed there is no escape.
 
nervous_nellie said:
it was mentioned that he had had one of his online poker accounts frozen earlier in the year (dont remember when?? anyone??) so possibly he needed her to sign him on under her name or her sign on as him or something weird like that and get him out of debt on one of these sites(not necessarily the site that was talked about earlier) ?? who knows - just trying to think of what he could have needed her for that she would have agreed to...

eta: i know it was said that he was frozen for suspicion of cheating - but since it has come to light that he really wasnt a very good poker player maybe he was negative on funds from losing or owed the site money.... i have never played on any of these sorta things so i have no idea how they work...
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Hid email on the frozen poker account was circa March of this year ( IIRC) I will have to look back for certainty.
 
nums24 said:
July 2, 2010 11:40 AM
Van Der Sloot Cops Say he Ditched Cell Phone's Sim Card on the Run

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20009554-504083.html
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NEW YORK (CBS) Peru police told 48 Hours | Mystery that they believe Joran van der Sloot, the man accused of killing Peruvian student Stephany Flores, disposed of the SIM card in his cell phone before he was apprehended.

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After van der Sloot was caught in Chile, cops confiscated his cell phone. Police later found that the SIM card had been removed.

Why would van der Sloot ditch his SIM card?


According to 23-year NYPD veteran Vinny Marra, investigators can use cell phones to pinpoint the exact location of the phone, and so, the person carrying it.
But in order to do so, the cell phone must be in working condition.


Without the SIM in the phone, investigators could not use this tactic to track van der Sloot's location while he was fleeing Peru after allegedly committing the murder.
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(May 30th/05 van der Sloot and Co. also had problems with phones. Some were lost and some were borrowed. A cell registered to Paulus was found in the rocks near the lighthouse, however Anita stated it belong to Val. Sure it did.:innocent: The teacher who found it turned it into vd Sloots rather than police however he was interrogated 3 times over it. These Arubans had a hard time keeping track of evidence, seemingly.)

SBS has a record of Joran's cell traffic which shows he was calling friends right after Stepheny's murder.
 
FLNY said:
Hmmm...kinda skepical once I saw it was NG...she was harping about the missing girls in Columbia being tied to VDS for weeks after it was found to be untrue!!
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Mmmm...really it was not fully explained how and when Van der Sloot crossed the border. a focus on women disappearing in casinos in Colombia would go a lot further than implications of a serial killer from Aruba.

Read this article, I am still looking for the one that names the representative in the Police dept.

http://open.salon.com/blog/dorian_de_wind/2010/06/09/van_der_sloot_link_to_missing_columbian_women

Women went missing on May 13. Van der Sloot arrives in Lima May 14.
 
selena said:
Mmmm...really it was not fully explained how and when Van der Sloot crossed the border. a focus on women disappearing in casinos in Colombia would go a lot further than implications of a serial killer from Aruba.

Read this article, I am still looking for the one that names the representative in the Police dept.

http://open.salon.com/blog/dorian_de_wind/2010/06/09/van_der_sloot_link_to_missing_columbian_women

Women went missing on May 13. Van der Sloot arrives in Lima May 14.
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Columbian authorities ruled out JVDS as suspect in missing women:

http://colombiareports.com/colombia...tchmans-role-in-colombians-disappearance.html
 
Here is a video of the JVDS documentary televised on Dutch TV on Wed.

It is mostly in Spanish with Dutch sub-titles, but there are many views inside Castro Castro that I haven't seen before, including some from the uprising there several years ago. They gained entry into one of the 'general population' pavilions, but were not allowed in the building housing JVDS. The footage on his cell and his ex-girlfriend were from US TV.

http://www.sbs6.nl/web/show/id=916193/langid=43/media=191440/page=1
 
marikesh said:
(May 30th/05 van der Sloot and Co. also had problems with phones. Some were lost and some were borrowed. A cell registered to Paulus was found in the rocks near the lighthouse, however Anita stated it belong to Val. Sure it did.:innocent: The teacher who found it turned it into vd Sloots rather than police however he was interrogated 3 times over it. These Arubans had a hard time keeping track of evidence, seemingly.)

SBS has a record of Joran's cell traffic which shows he was calling friends right after Stepheny's murder.
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I remember that about the phone at the lighthouse, did the VDS turn the phone over to ALE? And there was a lot of confusion surrounding cell phones that night, you're right. Didn't Joran say he had to go pick up his phone from someone?

If Joran threw away his SIM card what phone was he using when Anita said she talked to him, maybe he threw it away after she told him police were after him?
 
I've been trying to think of possible reasons why Stephany would go to Joran's room...


  • To pay back money he borrowed. We may not have seen actual money change hands at the casino, but it’s possible she moved him over some chips without it being caught on video.


  • To play online poker. I’m not sure ahout this one - why would you play online when you have the real thing available. In any event, it’s not likely they would share a computer, there is no fun in that. Perhaps he told her he had two laptops and they could each use one.


  • He told her he would sell her his laptop, as he needed the money to continue gambling.


  • She was tired and he told her he had amphetamines in his room, which would keep them awake to play more poker at the casino. She was found to have amphetamines in her system.
 
Dion said:
I've been trying to think of possible reasons why Stephany would go to Joran's room...


  • To pay back money he borrowed. We may not have seen actual money change hands at the casino, but it’s possible she moved him over some chips without it being caught on video.

  • To play online poker. I’m not sure ahout this one - why would you play online when you have the real thing available. In any event, it’s not likely they would share a computer, there is no fun in that. Perhaps he told her he had two laptops and they could each use one.

  • He told her he would sell her his laptop, as he needed the money to continue gambling.

  • She was tired and he told her he had amphetamines in his room, which would keep them awake to play more poker at the casino. She was found to have amphetamines in her system.
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Is it possible that SF wasn't aware she was going to his room? Date rape wrappers were found in her car. That is what the father said and I don't think he would have a reason to make it up. Since I'm sure she didn't keep those in her car we can assume that JVS gave her those drugs. I personally know two young women who had these drugs dropped in their drinks. Neither remember anything after drinking the drinks except being feeling kind of sick and then waking up at a later time with no memory of what occurred. Maybe they were dropped in a coke for her to drink in the SUV and then tossed afterwards. I personally don't think he would try to sell her his laptop when he could just rob her. I'm not sure about the text message though - that doesn't really fit the drugging picture - is it possible to send a text message under GHB? It woul also explain her walking with her head down (not feeling well).
 
annalia said:
I remember that about the phone at the lighthouse, did the VDS turn the phone over to ALE? And there was a lot of confusion surrounding cell phones that night, you're right. Didn't Joran say he had to go pick up his phone from someone?

If Joran threw away his SIM card what phone was he using when Anita said she talked to him, maybe he threw it away after she told him police were after him?
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You can still use a cell phone without the SIM card though, right? It's just that the phone numbers, etc. will only be kept on the phone's memory and not to the SIM card?
 
bhammom said:
Is it possible that SF wasn't aware she was going to his room? Date rape wrappers were found in her car. That is what the father said and I don't think he would have a reason to make it up. Since I'm sure she didn't keep those in her car we can assume that JVS gave her those drugs. I personally know two young women who had these drugs dropped in their drinks. Neither remember anything after drinking the drinks except being feeling kind of sick and then waking up at a later time with no memory of what occurred. Maybe they were dropped in a coke for her to drink in the SUV and then tossed afterwards. I personally don't think he would try to sell her his laptop when he could just rob her. I'm not sure about the text message though - that doesn't really fit the drugging picture - is it possible to send a text message under GHB? It woul also explain her walking with her head down (not feeling well).
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The theories I listed were ones where she might have gone willingly to his room.

You are right, it could have been the date rape drug kicking in, although she didn't seem like she needed assistance in walking. But unless they stopped off to get cold drinks or something, he wouldn't have had the chance to slip something into a drink. I wonder if they have timed their leaving the casino with the time they arrived at the hotel, to see if they had time to pick up drinks and sit in the car chatting until it started to work.

I would prefer the date rape drug theory, because it would have meant that Stephany didn't suffer as much, but there was none found in her system, and she apparently gave a good fight, so I don't know. If she was incapacitated, he could have robbed her in her car and left her there, without going back to his hotel room to kill her. They wouldn't have tracked him down in Chile if it was just a robbery that he committed.

Regarding the possibility of selling laptop to her - he may have used that as a ruse to get her to his room in order to rob her.

Who really knows what went on in that warped mind of his - it could be that he just asked her for a lift back to his hotel, then once there, asked her in for a nightcap.

Edited to add - just realized that it was early morning and not nightime, so make that nightcap, breakfast at his hotel because they were both hungry.
 
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