GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #23

[FLNY]

A&E's description of program tonight:

Multiple times over the past five years, Joran van der Sloot has alternatively been arrested for, confessed to and recanted his involvement in the May 30, 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Now, it seems, the law, and his own hubris, may have finally caught up with him...

More at link:

http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=588250

Here's another:

"Who is the Real Joran van der Sloot (10pm, A&E) - An examination of the murder case against Joran van der Sloot through forensic evidence, psychological examinations, and opinions from those who know him. Van der Sloot is accused in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway and recently confessed to killing a woman in Peru."

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/tv/home

Let's hope there's some new info or analysis rather than a rehashing of previous reports!!

 

[panthera]

Maybe the grandfather law, or whatever it is called or referred to, would only be for already convicted murderers??? Since JVS has yet to be convicted, it would still pertain...for all those who think the DP would be appropiate...pray they stall for time until it's passed.

It doesn't seem to me that even Peru's laws would operate that way. It's always been, at least here in the US, the laws that were in effect when the crime was committed. MOO

 

[annalia]

Here's another:

"Who is the Real Joran van der Sloot (10pm, A&E) - An examination of the murder case against Joran van der Sloot through forensic evidence, psychological examinations, and opinions from those who know him. Van der Sloot is accused in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway and recently confessed to killing a woman in Peru."

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/tv/home

Let's hope there's some new info or analysis rather than a rehashing of previous reports!!

I'm looking forward to seeing this but my guess would be that it probably is a rehashing of previous reports. It is always good though even if it a rehash for the public to be reminded just what a cold calculating murderer he really is and what he's put the Flores and Holloway families through.
I wonder who might the opinions of those who know him be, maybe Melody and Anita from their interviews?

 

[annalia]

It doesn't seem to me that even Peru's laws would operate that way. It's always been, at least here in the US, the laws that were in effect when the crime was committed. MOO

I agree with you. And imo a long life in prison is better than the death penalty anyway.

 

[suzihawk]

I'm looking forward to seeing this but my guess would be that it probably is a rehashing of previous reports. It is always good though even if it a rehash for the public to be reminded just what a cold calculating murderer he really is and what he's put the Flores and Holloway families through.
I wonder who might the opinions of those who know him be, maybe Melody and Anita from their interviews?

I agree it's probably a rehash, Annalia. Has to be since there hasn't been any new news lately. I'm interested in what the forensic and psychological experts have to say. I got a glimpse of Terror Japp in a promo and I don't recall hearing directly from him before. Even if it's mostly rehash, I'm looking forward to it. At least it's a new rehash. LOL

 

[bhammom]

Just had a real scare! Local Birmingham News (CBS TV 42) just told the story of Peter De Vries being arrested for trespassing and then let out on bond. However, during the story they showed the picture of JVdS being arrested in Peru in handcuffs and under the story they said "out on bond." Nearly did a double take until I realized what they were saying!

 

[suzihawk]

Just had a real scare! Local Birmingham News (CBS TV 42) just told the story of Peter De Vries being arrested for trespassing and then let out on bond. However, during the story they showed the picture of JVdS being arrested in Peru in handcuffs and under the story they said "out on bond." Nearly did a double take until I realized what they were saying!

That IS a scary thought, isn't it?!

I saw a blurb or two this morning on HLN about the panel making a ruling on whether or not to throw out JVS's confession in about a week. It's not much, but at least it's SOME news after a long dry spell. Keeping my fingers crossed that they'll see through his BS and won't play the, 'oops, I take it back' con he's so used to running.

 

[dr dona]

I personally want JVS to spend a long, long time in prison. I want him to enjoy the rats, the intimate living with other prisoners, lousy food etc. Death is to easy. I really don't want anyone to "get to him". I want him to think of Stephany every day of his life!!!!!

 

[annalia]

I agree it's probably a rehash, Annalia. Has to be since there hasn't been any new news lately. I'm interested in what the forensic and psychological experts have to say. I got a glimpse of Terror Japp in a promo and I don't recall hearing directly from him before. Even if it's mostly rehash, I'm looking forward to it. At least it's a new rehash. LOL

Thanks for that bit of info, I didn't know that Terror Jaap was going to be in it. I'm interested to see what that's about too.

 

[GregH]

Thank you for your post. I think it's well known that Peruvian courts can move very slowly. If Joran van der Sloot's lawyer wants it to move slowly (as they often do in the Sates in high profile trials) I don't think they would have much trouble. Joran's case will always be treated differently in my opinion. The Peruvian Government is quite natually very sensitive to their world image.
For all we know "Trujillo Ospina" may be undercover police.

Since there's been no news on JVDS, I decided to look into his prison mate, Trujillo Ospina, to see if his case is proceeding as slowly....and found these interesting comments in one of the more recent articles:

"Alexander 'Hugo' Trujillo Ospina aka 'Clown,' currently resides in Castro,
Castro prison in a cell awaiting trial. His most recent cell block mate is Joran
van der Sloot, accused murderer of Stephany Flores Ramirez. Ospina has
refused to provide a formal statement to the Judge in his case, and has
complained of not having an attorney of his choice.

The two have reportedly been spending time together talking in a common area of their cell block.

Van der Sloot now has refused to provide a formal statement... and complains
about his choice of attorney.

It appears Ospina is coaching Van der Sloot in delaying tactics." :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

This is at the very bottom of the long article, just above the comments.

 

[suzihawk]

Well, I thought that the A&E special was very good! Even though a rehash, as we suspected, it covered the facts from 2005 until the present in a very methodical and thorough manner, IMO. It put together so many of the bits and pieces that some of us have spent a lot of time digging around for.

I enjoyed the forensic psychologist's opinions and agree with him 100% in his assessment of JVS - that he's a clear cut sociopath. The one thing that stood out to me is when he said that the rage almost always stems from some sort of sexual frustration. Either from being spurned for one reason or another (which we've all speculated on) or from his inability to perform. I have to admit this has never occurred to me! :waitasec: Also that, for a sociopath, once they get away with something the first time, they feel invulnerable so they think they can get away with it again.

Both Aline Hibbert and John Ludwick were predictable. Aline is just another starry eyed (16 yr old) ex-girlfriend. Ludwick is a loser punk trying to extend his fifteen minutes into twenty. He's so proud of himself. (The following is from his FB page where he claims to have 'really opened up this time. Get excited world!' and 'I can guarantee one thing, what I say will make what I told Nancy look like an appetizer'.)

Star of A&E's "The Real Joran Van Der Sloot" Documentary

CNN Contributor

Verified Official✔
║▌│█│║▌║││█║▌║▌║║▌
OFFICIAL CELEBRITY
© Profile Original & Official®

Need I say more? In all fairness, I guess it's slim pickings when it comes to trying to find anyone other than his family that wants to publicly claim what a terrific guy he is.

All in all, it was a good documentary, IMO.

​

 

[georger]

I constantly have to correct my thought process from saying that he is a murder, to suspected murder. Regardless what the publicized evidence suggests, he has not been convicted of anything.

I wouldn't throw myself into the JVDS sympathizer, but I also try to force myself to continue to think "innocent until proven guilty". He is in prison because there is sufficient evidence to charge him, but he has not been convicted.

.

I just want to take a moment to thank you for your post. You have a
lot of company in everything you say. I am just finally glad Joran is
under wraps ... regardless of any doubts left. Thanks.

 

[georger]

Both Aline Hibbert and John Ludwick were predictable. Aline is just another starry eyed (16 yr old) ex-girlfriend. Ludwick is trying to extend his fifteen minutes into twenty. He's so proud of himself. (The following is from his FB page where he claims to have 'really opened up this time. Get excited world!' and 'I can guarantee one thing, what I say will make what I told Nancy look like an appetizer'.)
[/quote]

The fact that anyone who use these two for any serious purpose may say other more rational
people who could have spoken, either wont or dont wish to, precisely
because more sober people understand the seriousness of this and see no value in it - except to keep Joran right where he is and let the wheels of
Justice turn out. Frankly who gives a ________ what Aline and Ludvick
think! I would rather hear what two chickens have to say than listen to
them ...? :banghead: Fortunately there are other people who have reason behind them.

:angel:

 

[FLNY]

FINALLY official some news....but not exactly what we wanted to hear...

"Case against Joran van der Sloot is delayed due to lack of translator Netherlands"

http://translate.google.com/transla...atrasa-falta-traductor-holandes&sl=auto&tl=en

These guys just aren't going to give up without a fight....at this rate, the reportedly lllooonnnggg Peruvian court system times may actually be doubled or tripled for the JVDS case....awww, Joran may have to spend many, many years in jail before this case ever gets to trial !!! :dance: :dance: :dance:

I can't believe his lawyer Maximo is coming up with all this on his own... there's gotta be some legal master-mind on the payroll calling the shots...either the van der Sloot's Dutch lawyer...or good ole Joe!!!

MOO

 

[FLNY]

And MORE.....what's with all the news all of a sudden...not that I'm complaining!!!

"Lawyer Max Altez told the Dutch website BNDESTEM.NL van der Sloot’s fundamental rights have been violated. 'I appeal for as long until that happens. If necessary to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.' "

"The case involves heated passions in Peru which as seen a rash of local women apparently killed by visiting foreigners. Altez says he’s been threatened. 'There are stones thrown at my office and relatives in Miami have also received threats.' He says he’s sticking with the case."

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...ke-backs/ycoDcScICUq8x_yHNUktZw.cspx?rss=1659

Hang onto your hats...looks like we're in for a long bumpy ride!!!

MOO

 

[hollyblue]

Well, I thought that the A&E special was very good! Even though a rehash, as we suspected, it covered the facts from 2005 until the present in a very methodical and thorough manner, IMO. It put together so many of the bits and pieces that some of us have spent a lot of time digging around for.

I enjoyed the forensic psychologist's opinions and agree with him 100% in his assessment of JVS - that he's a clear cut sociopath. The one thing that stood out to me is when he said that the rage almost always stems from some sort of sexual frustration. Either from being spurned for one reason or another (which we've all speculated on) or from his inability to perform. I have to admit this has never occurred to me! :waitasec: Also that, for a sociopath, once they get away with something the first time, they feel invulnerable so they think they can get away with it again.

Both Aline Hibbert and John Ludwick were predictable. Aline is just another starry eyed (16 yr old) ex-girlfriend. Ludwick is a loser punk trying to extend his fifteen minutes into twenty. He's so proud of himself. (The following is from his FB page where he claims to have 'really opened up this time. Get excited world!' and 'I can guarantee one thing, what I say will make what I told Nancy look like an appetizer'.)

Star of A&E's "The Real Joran Van Der Sloot" Documentary​

CNN Contributor​

Verified Official✔
║▌│█│║▌║││█║▌║▌║║▌
OFFICIAL CELEBRITY
© Profile Original & Official®​

Need I say more? In all fairness, I guess it's slim pickings when it comes to trying to find anyone other than his family that wants to publicly claim what a terrific guy he is. ​

All in all, it was a good documentary, IMO.​

I thought it was a good too. I learned a few things about NH's case. IE: the break in of the fish house, the missing knife and cage. Also, the boat that was taken out of the water shortly afterwards. You would think that would be an noisy operation to haul and place into a boat and that someone surely heard it...but don't know how close the nearest residence is. Had to be a pretty good size boat to accommodate that cage and just not a little row.

Agreed with the psychologist also, until that comment about sexual frustration. The connection to the sexual aspect is him being told "NO" by someone he clearly thinks he has control of. We saw this in his frustration with the outcome of the lie detector test. He clearly thought he could schmooz his way through it and when confronted with his own deception and "NO" that he failed to conquer, he raged. JMO Totally agreed when he stated Joran lied to his parents, teachers, etc....prolly for a very long time.

Enjoyed the piece with Jaap. I had never seen this interview previously, and now more curious than ever what his arrest is about and what was on his puter.

I thought it interesting that DeVries thinks he would have been Joran's third victim. Certainly may have been.

Also, didn't know, but suspected, Joran's adventures in Thailand. Basically, he was playing around and up to his regular wannabe con games, with the pretense of "school".

And yes, the FBI made the decision not to go forward with his arrest even tho they were aware of his pending plans for Peru.

Agree with everyone on Hibbert and Ludwick. I wish her mother would set her down and tell her about sociopaths. Ludwick......seems he was a quick study of Joran and picked up quite abit. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her to go near him....He's a little imp.

Thanks for the heads up Suzihawk....if was a good program and made for some new insights.

 

[hollyblue]

Whoops. Wanted to add this too. RE: Joran's run to the mental hospital during Natalee's case. This was the first case study in The Mask of Sanity. A guy named Max. This is an excerpt from it:

Records show that he sought hospitalization on other occasions after having been
fined a half-dozen or more times for brawling on the streets and for petty frauds. There
is every reason to believe, from the evidence of careful reports by the Red Cross and by
social service workers, that when his troubles with the civil authorities became too​

discomforting he sought the shelter of a psychiatric hospital.

Case starts on pg. 29 of the pdf, if anyone is interested in reading it. Some rush to mental insitutions when things get a little deep, but leave soon afterwards.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF

 

[suzihawk]

I thought it was a good too. I learned a few things about NH's case. IE: the break in of the fish house, the missing knife and cage. Also, the boat that was taken out of the water shortly afterwards. You would think that would be an noisy operation to haul and place into a boat and that someone surely heard it...but don't know how close the nearest residence is. Had to be a pretty good size boat to accommodate that cage and just not a little row.

Agreed with the psychologist also, until that comment about sexual frustration. The connection to the sexual aspect is him being told "NO" by someone he clearly thinks he has control of. We saw this in his frustration with the outcome of the lie detector test. He clearly thought he could schmooz his way through it and when confronted with his own deception and "NO" that he failed to conquer, he raged. JMO Totally agreed when he stated Joran lied to his parents, teachers, etc....prolly for a very long time.

Enjoyed the piece with Jaap. I had never seen this interview previously, and now more curious than ever what his arrest is about and what was on his puter.

I thought it interesting that DeVries thinks he would have been Joran's third victim. Certainly may have been.

Also, didn't know, but suspected, Joran's adventures in Thailand. Basically, he was playing around and up to his regular wannabe con games, with the pretense of "school".

And yes, the FBI made the decision not to go forward with his arrest even tho they were aware of his pending plans for Peru.

Agree with everyone on Hibbert and Ludwick. I wish her mother would set her down and tell her about sociopaths. Ludwick......seems he was a quick study of Joran and picked up quite abit. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her to go near him....He's a little imp.

Thanks for the heads up Suzihawk....if was a good program and made for some new insights.

I knew about the fisherman's hut that was broken into and the knives and (large) cage that went missing. There was a cage found later at some point (by Tim Miller, I believe) that had some small scraps of cloth that were speculated to be from the outfit that Natalee was last seen wearing. As for the boat noises, I'm guessing that may be common on an island that small? Especially behind the hotels.

I agree with you about JVS's frustration regarding being told 'no'. I'm sure his massive ego wouldn't like that at all. But it's possible that the frustration also may have come from him not being able to perform after making his big conquest - seeing as he had that big playboy reputation to fulfill. Especially if he perceived he might being be being ridiculed. The possibility of impotency never occured to me.

I think this was a new interview with Jaap (like the ones with Ludwick and Hibbert). I don't believe he was arrested, though. His house and/or office was raided the same day that JVS was arrested (or shortly thereafter) and they took some of his files and his computer to search for correspondence regarding JVS (I'm assuming).

Both Hibbert and (especially) Ludwick are just plain stupid. Ludwig was so proud of how he and JVS picked up girls at the Excelsior and walked along the beach behind the Marriot. That he was "in the same casino and the same spot that all this stuff happened with Natalee and I'm with Joran doin' the same stuff". WTF?! I'm hoping the authorities will be paying him a little visit soon, if they haven't already. Maybe he's looking for the same type of 'celebrity' as his hero, Joran? Dumba$$ stupid punk!

 

[suzihawk]

And MORE.....what's with all the news all of a sudden...not that I'm complaining!!!

"Lawyer Max Altez told the Dutch website BNDESTEM.NL van der Sloot’s fundamental rights have been violated. 'I appeal for as long until that happens. If necessary to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.' "

"The case involves heated passions in Peru which as seen a rash of local women apparently killed by visiting foreigners. Altez says he’s been threatened. 'There are stones thrown at my office and relatives in Miami have also received threats.' He says he’s sticking with the case."

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...ke-backs/ycoDcScICUq8x_yHNUktZw.cspx?rss=1659

Hang onto your hats...looks like we're in for a long bumpy ride!!!

MOO

Thanks, FLNY. You won't hear me complaining about getting some news, either!

I'm in it for the long haul, bump ride and all. I just hope I live long enough to see him get what's coming to him - one way or another.

 

[Kamille]

I caught the show last night too and hung on for the second hour regarding Natalee's disappearance. Thanks so much to Suzihawk and everyone for alerting to these two programs. Since I never followed that case I learned a few new things about it although posters have been pretty thorough in the few posts regarding it that I've read on here so thanks for that too.

I can't believe that he got away with all that he did prior to Stephany's murder and I can't help but think that her death could have been prevented by so many people who should be feeling the karma about now too. I also can't believe that that Ludwick guy is getting any airtime regarding this. He showed up pretty late to the game and doesn't really know anything but he does seem to idolize Joran and someone better be keeping an eye on him IMO. If he can't get his fifteen minutes riding Joran's coat tails, he may consider making his own fame somehow.

Too bad they were unable to get the Kalpoe brothers to speak. I'm still confused about their involvement and think they still have a lot to answer for. It would have been interesting if they could have tracked down people who had contact with him in Peru also.

I'm not sure I understand why they are trying to delay his trial other than the fact that as long as he is waiting he gets to stay in his own cell in Castro Castro? Perhaps he will be transferred to Lurigancho after his conviction and won't have the same set up?