Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #5

[la_cavalière]

To start, he can point to the location of Natalee's remains. That may be difficult if she was taken out to sea. But there must be some evidence that can show he's telling the truth.

 

[la_cavalière]

I wonder if any former girlfriends or dates will come forward to talk about their experiences with Joran during the last five years?

 

[suzet]

Apparently Joran is asking for his mother. His mother holds the KEY. In exchange for her support and money, Anita can insist that Joran tell EVERYTHING about what happened to Natalee and Stephany. EVERYTHING. Without money, he will not fare well in prison.

I followed the Holloway case very closely. In everything I have witnessed with the Vandersloot family, Anita and Paulus were parents who encouraged their son to keep his mouth shut whenever possible, do not offer any helpful information, and just lie, lie, lie.

Imo, Anita is someone who would insist her son continue to do what he always has done, what Paulus taught him... lie about everything, cover up the evidence, repeatedly change your story to confuse the heck out of everyone, disregard anything that resembles doing the right thing, think of yourself first, and on and on. Anita, imo, is the last person who would advise her son to come clean and tell the truth.

 

[suzihawk]

I think a lot of the misinformation is coming from translation errors and ignorance of decomp. The ME was clear that the injuries to Stephany were in the areas of the back of her head, neck, and back. He opines that those regions struck the edge of the exposed wood bedframe with sufficient force to kill her. That is straightforward and plausible.

The account her brother gave is that Stephany was covered in blood and wounds and was unrecognizable and missing an eye - leading to the impression she was brutally beaten. I think what the brother saw was 72 hours of decomp. I doubt he'd ever seen a decomposed body at 72 hours (most are frozen or embalmed to prevent this event). What he would have seen was a body that was grossly distended and discolored with the early gases of decomp and yes, she would have likely been extremely swollen and discolored and probably leaking decomp fluids (sorry).

After hearing the brother's account, the mistranslation of "raquet" into "bat" lead to the obvious thought she'd been beaten severely with a bat, which is not the case at all. She was killed by a blow to the back of her head that caused hemmorhage (according to the ME).

It's likely he didn't plan to kill her at all (at least not openly in that room). Even he is not stupid enough to purposely parade his victim into the lobby in front of clerks, kill her less than 3 hours later, then run. I think something happened that pissed him off and he either flung her across the room onto the bed frame, or deliberately bashed her head into the bedframe in a moment of extreme irritation or anger.

Excellent point on your speculation re: the differences between what the brother observed and the ME report. I hadn't thought of that and that's a logical explanation about the discrepancies.

Not so sure I agree about it being spontaneous, though. I can't ignore the extreme 'coincidence' that this occured on the exact day five years later that Natalee 'disappeared'. That's not to say I don't think rage didn't play a huge part.

BBM... I won't comment on Joran's stupidity , but his arrogance has been displayed over and over again. I think he's just that arrogant and cocky to think he could pull it off. After all, he's gotten away with everything up to this point. He felt invincible, IMO.

Using this post to opine on issues commented on overnight (don't you guys ever sleep)... I definitely see Stephany clutching something in her right hand on the video of her in the lobby. I'm also not seeing any indications of her being intoxicated or stumbling, etc. I think the reason for her demeanor is because she's not used to going to a seedy hotel with a 'man' room at 5 am.

 

[suzet]

To start, he can point to the location of Natalee's remains. That may be difficult if she was taken out to sea. But there must be some evidence that can show he's telling the truth.

Natalee's body and that aint gonna happen.

 

[Patty G]

June 5, 2010
Geraldo

In order to get to the links in the mini video, click on the word "You Tube" ...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcYkvHHpVeA[/ame]

 

[md89]

Joran van der Sloot wil Peruaanse advocaat.

Joran van der Sloot wants Peruvian lawyer.

Joran van der Sloot, die ervan wordt verdacht de Peruaanse Stephany Flores te hebben vermoord, wil een Peruaanse advocaat toegewezen krijgen en geen Nederlander.

Murder suspect Joran van der Sloot wants a Peruvian lawyer instead of a Dutch one.

Tijdens zijn verhoor zaterdagmiddag heeft hij geen antwoord willen geven op de vragen van de politie over de dood van Flores, omdat hij erg moe was van de reis van de Chileens-Peruaanse grens naar de Peruaanse hoofdstad Lima. Dat schrijft de Peruaanse krant Perú21.

According to the Peruvian newspaper Perú21, Joran didn't answer any questions about the dead of Stephany Flores because he was very tired from his trip to Lima.

Volgens de krant heeft hij verklaard nooit aangehouden te zijn in Chili, maar dat hij zich heeft overgegeven aan de politie daar omdat hij wist dat hij werd gezocht.

According to the newspaper he stated that he never was arrested in Chile but that he surrendered himself to the police because he knew he was sought.

Source: detelegraaf.nl

 

[Beyond Belief]

I do not believe the refusal of Dutch representaton. I believe this is the first step of control.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I do not believe the refusal of Dutch representaton. I believe this is the first step of control.

Right. I'll believe it when I hear it from the Dutch Consulate.

 

[Belinda]

I would think that a Peruvian attorney would be much more up-to-date on the pertinent laws and rights and such. That seems like the most obvious way to go, to me anyway.

 

[Beyond Belief]

When I heard that i felt like we were hearing words coming out of Cuba.

 

[Dreya]

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://elcomercio.pe/&ei=vlkKTOG7MYT48Aao4NCNBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ7gEwAA&prev=/search?q=el+comercio+peru&hl=en

A good video that shows some of what he was carrying with him when they caught him (Or when he 'gave himself up' depending on who's story you believe)

 

[Belinda]

Oh, I didn't think of that! I don't know that Peru would take the chance to be seen as railroading him. Or am I taking it the wrong way?

 

[suzihawk]

Here's my take, FWIW..what she has in her right hand is a small clutch purse or wallet with a wrist strap. You can clearly see the strap around her wrist and sort of streaming down her hand in the video.

JMO..but I think the reason she is not too seemingly happy about being there is because he was extorting, blackmailing, etc her.....I believe those are her keys in his right hand at the desk. Someone said they had been sitting in the car of 45 mins before going in. I think he took her car keys from the ignition to lure her to his room. Can't have the keys back until you come up to my room...she was either under the influence of alcohol or the ruffies and knew she couldn't call her father...especially after him not wanting her to go back to the casino. The text msg to the friend could have been her going to the bathroom and texting her friend "going upstairs to bed"....maybe a msg of warning---plus we don't know if that was all the msg said either.
Plus, it was mentioned that JVS had complained that he could get the women to leave with him in Peru. This was his "charming" way to make sure of it. Also the smirk on his face and the delight showed when given the room keys...he thought he was home free for a little.....and the money too. Think the playing, fumbling with her keys in his right hand was a sick psyche taking form and give me the creeps. I think he knew he had her at that point. She's helpless.... and he knows it. She knows it too and may have tried to talk to him in the room....but it was too late...the argument or his coming on to her started and that was it.
Her keys were very apparent in the video with the circles in it....they even focused on the desk and his hands at one point. I can't find it right now, but will edit and add when I do.
I wanted to bring all the videos of it we had over:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gFDZlRoBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyGioxzDAw&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8SYfgn5HWo

BBM... this is first I've heard this. Any chance of a link without too much trouble?

Thanks for bringing over the videos.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I would think that a Peruvian attorney would be much more up-to-date on the pertinent laws and rights and such. That seems like the most obvious way to go, to me anyway.

If his mom won't pay for a private Peruvian attorney (I think she will) he's stuck with the public defenders office which is wildly understaffed and overworked and undertrained. He'd be an idiot to do that. I'd prefer to have a Dutch attorney and a Peruvian one both. I imagine that's what we'll see happen.

 

[trigger]

But even if Joran "tells" everything how will we ever know if it is the truth? He has changed his frigging story so many times......sorry if I seem ill,lol, I am just frustrated with this whole thing right now....he is evil that is for certain, IMO:banghead:

I wonder what they are going to do to him when he starts lying to them...I hope they tape it and we get to see the interrogation...

Also I wondering when Joran left the room and looked up and saw the surveillance camera thats when he decided to go get the coffee making it look like she was still alive then. I guess we will have to wait for more video's.

 

[Missy70Texas]

I followed the Holloway case very closely. In everything I have witnessed with the Vandersloot family, Anita and Paulus were parents who encouraged their son to keep his mouth shut whenever possible, do not offer any helpful information, and just lie, lie, lie.

Imo, Anita is someone who would insist her son continue to do what he always has done, what Paulus taught him... lie about everything, cover up the evidence, repeatedly change your story to confuse the heck out of everyone, disregard anything that resembles doing the right thing, think of yourself first, and on and on. Anita, imo, is the last person who would advise her son to come clean and tell the truth.

Liken her to Jackie Peterson, the woman lives in denial, most likely. Couldn't the Peterson's mantra been "deny, deny, deny".

 

[karma-girl]

I am not sure if these new pics have been posted...Joran is sitting at a table with his belongings spread in front of him....
http://www.peru.com/noticias/fotos20100606/100723/Holandes-se-mostro-preocupado-tras-su-captura

 

[Meagain]

Sigh - I regret not paying attention in High School Spanish

 

[marmar]

Joran van der Sloot wil Peruaanse advocaat.

Joran van der Sloot wants Peruvian lawyer.

Joran van der Sloot, die ervan wordt verdacht de Peruaanse Stephany Flores te hebben vermoord, wil een Peruaanse advocaat toegewezen krijgen en geen Nederlander.

Murder suspect Joran van der Sloot wants a Peruvian lawyer instead of a Dutch one.

Source: detelegraaf.nl

Can you blame him? :crazy:

In all seriousness though, he may just be afraid of what they already know about him and might not get the defense he's hoping for...or he saw how they handled the Natalee Holloway case, which would be enough to scare the bejeezus out of me if it were me in that situation.