Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #9

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I think there was and still is, some confusion regarding whether he was going to Santiago, Chile from the coastal city of Vina del Mar, Chile (where he supposedly had a room) or if he was heading back to Vina del Mar, from Santiago when he was arrested.

In any case, what does seem to be true is that "According to sources the Dutch man was arrested in a taxi on Route 68, which connects Viña del Mar and Santiago, Chile."

It is the hotel in Viña del Mar that he said he couldn't remember what or where it was.
 
If Anita Van der Sloot cannot see, at this point, that her son is a dangerous person who should not continue to be free to kill, than I have no respect whatsoever. I do not subscribe to the 'not my child' theory of parenthood. It sickens me to see her continually tout his innocence. There comes a point where you have to face the truth and deal with it. She needs to stop trying to bail him out and encourage him to face the consequences for his actions.

Have we seen videos or pictures of her in Peru? I'm curious to see her demeanor.
 
The article states that's what he told Chilean police when he was initially picked up in Santiago. I can see him spewing a wild tale like that when he didn't have a clue what video evidence the Pervian police had on him. LOL

Which is odd in and of itself considering we've heard all along that he told the authorities in Chile that he knew Stephany and they went to a casino together but he didn't kill her.
 
Once again I'm reading the time of death was 8:10am. The reason I don't buy the laptop story is because of the time of death if it is accurate. He left to purchase coffee and came back at 8:20am correct? and wasn't he gone for 45 min's?

I need to start a log, this is very different sleuthing compared to sleuthing a reality tv show! :crazy:

There is no possible way to know the exact time of death forensically. Even in the best of circumstances and a liver temperature taken very soon after death it is simply not possible to be more accurate than a time frame window of a couple of hours or so. Considering that Stephany was not found until days later the most accurate time frame of death would have to have been figured out by the time she was last heard alive in the room (argument had allegedly occurred) and the time Joran left the hotel to begin his run from the police.

http://www.writersdigest.com/article/forensics-excerpt

"But most deaths are not witnessed. Natural death may come during sleep, and accidental and suicidal deaths often occur when the victim is alone. In homicides, the perpetrator is typically the only witness and he rarely checks his watch, and even if he did, he’s not likely to talk about it. This means that when the medical examiner must determine the time of death he can only estimate the approximate time.

These times of death may differ by days, weeks, even months, if the body is not found until well after physiologic death has occurred."
 
I have never read a report that the hotel held his passport. I do remember someone here offered that as a theory, and everyone has jumped on it ever since. (I was just in Nicaragua, and we had to show our passport every time we converted money, so that wouldn't have worked.)

Also, weren't the initial reports that he DID go toward the airport, only to find he would have to wait two days to use his ticket?
You're right T-Rex, It was only a theory here xox
 
Thank goodness I wasn't hanging out here all by myself. It has bothered me from day one about the June 3rd arrest warrant and how it all happened and I wish I had seen your earlier post on June 3rd. No one was diving into the exortion part of this case and I always, always felt they were linked somehow that caused the death of Stephany and that is was not a coincidence.

What needs to be uncovered is any contact from the "sting" operation team to Joran between May 16th to May 30th.

Hopefully someone in the media will dig a lot deeper ...

Thanks so much for linking me to your post. :blowkiss:

Patty G: I have been thinking a lot about the connection between the extortion case and Stephany also. Another possible scenario that has occurred to me is this: Joran is broke, lost most of what he had, with only the money inventoried by LR after his capture - just an incidental amount. He watches Stephany, complements her on her skill at the Poker table. He asks her how she is so good at winning, and she tells him there are some techniques to add to the odds of winning. He talks her into going to his room, which is close by, since it is so late, and she shouldn't drive. He also tells her she can sleep a little before going home, and he would appreciate her showing him the techniques she used to help her win. His main intention is to talk her into "lending" him some, or even all, of her winnings.

Maybe they do both nap, maybe not. He goes out to get the breakfast, and she gets on his computer. She finds the info about the extortion, and now she believes he is also trying to extort money from her. She is angry, and feels that he tricked her. When he returns, she confronts him. He no longer feels in "control" of the situation, goes into a rage and beats her to death. Seems totally plausible to me.

IMHO, Joran is walking a tightrope all of the time, in regards to control. Any little thing that makes him feel he has lost control of the situation and he explodes. Joran has no feelings or empathy for others but all in the world for himself. And when she confronted him, it was all about him - how dare she, etc. etc. etc. And when he confesses, he still lays blame with the victim because "He didn't want to" but she invaded his privacy. It is doubtful that Joran ever was held accountable for anything he ever did. But this time, he will be held accountable.
 
In 6/7/10-Nancy Grace transcripts, Nancy kept going on and on about the scrapes on the body drawing of SFR. After reading WS posts discussing her broken neck and how it might have happened and the mention of him stomping her neck, these scratches came to mind. She was found face down on the floor in the hotel room. He is 6' 5". If she were face down on the floor, with him standing above her, he could very well have put his foot on the back of her neck which could have caused carpet burns on her chin from pressure being applied to her neck from behind as he forced her chin into the floor with his foot. Just a thought to consider of how it might have played out...
 
Reminiscent of O.J



Reminiscent of Scott Peterson.

Scary fellow.. the love child of O.J. and Scott Peterson. His godfather is Ted Bundy.. What a monster in the making. Imagine if he was out on the streets until he was in his 30's? Look at all the damage he has done between 17 and 22 (not to mention the dog killing incident that happened when he was even younger).
 
According to the article, this was told to the Chilean police. Maybe he was practicing to see what would fly. ;)

Most of his 'stories' fly like a ....... well, a LED ZEPPLIN. Sorry, I couldn't help it.
 
So do you read that as he did have it with him or was it left at the desk?

He did have his passport with him as it is on video with officials looking at his passport. The video is a few posts back or forward depending how you read your posts in the thread.
 
According to the article, this was told to the Chilean police. Maybe he was practicing to see what would fly. ;)


I'm sure he's been working on a list of stories from the get-go. When we first started seeing the pics of him after he'd been arrested, everyone kept saying he looked stunned but I was thinking he had the look of someone inside their own head (as in the wheels were spinning really fast!)...like he was drawing on his experience of beating the NH murder-rap and trying to come up with 'plausible' stories he could pull out as police revealed their evidence.
 
OT: I've been trying to post this post for the past 30 minutes. I have a really BAD connection in the Hotel in which we are living for the next couple weeks. So I am shortening it and hoping it goes through this time :)

JVDS traveled southward to Chile. Which countries in the Southern part of SA have an extradition treaty with the Netherlands?

From what I'm reading Argentina does. IMHO this man would know which country he wanted to go to ---even if Argentina also extradites to the USA----in order to seek protection from his native country. Even if he was eventually prosecuted he would be buying himself a lot of time to get a defense in order and possible be able to request to serve time within his native country.

Heck just surrendering himself to a Netherland Embassy was a better picture than getting caught. KWIM?

Has research been done yet on which countries in the South would have offered him the best outcome? I can't do it! I'm so sorry---I just don't have the internet connection :(

IMHO at this point in time I can't think that he was just running to be running. I am still wondering if there was rhyme to his reason for running south. maybe maybe not.

(crossing fingers that this one gets posted LOL)
 
What makes most sense to me is that either before or after getting the coffee she discovered that he had stolen her money... then the beating/murder. I think she maybe just was going to crash a while there, thus her pants were off to make more confortable.

From what I have seen of Joran, lying is his game... so no way his first few stories were anything close to accurate.
 
I had the same thought -- but the leaders would no doubt take the money and do what they want. On Monday, Shamans cursed Joran van der Sloot. IMHO this will not bode well for him in prison.

So all the money in the world (IMO) would not save this guy.

MOO

Mel


I thought that as well. But if they kill him they won't get any more money. There are plenty of people in that prison that would love to have a monthly income to buy food, clothes, etc. I am just guessing but maybe I am wrong. I guess the best thing to do is ask someone that has been in there.
 
Patty G: I have been thinking a lot about the connection between the extortion case and Stephany also. Another possible scenario that has occurred to me is this: Joran is broke, lost most of what he had, with only the money inventoried by LR after his capture - just an incidental amount. He watches Stephany, complements her on her skill at the Poker table. He asks her how she is so good at winning, and she tells him there are some techniques to add to the odds of winning. He talks her into going to his room, which is close by, since it is so late, and she shouldn't drive. He also tells her she can sleep a little before going home, and he would appreciate her showing him the techniques she used to help her win. His main intention is to talk her into "lending" him some, or even all, of her winnings.

Maybe they do both nap, maybe not. He goes out to get the breakfast, and she gets on his computer. She finds the info about the extortion, and now she believes he is also trying to extort money from her. She is angry, and feels that he tricked her. When he returns, she confronts him. He no longer feels in "control" of the situation, goes into a rage and beats her to death. Seems totally plausible to me.

IMHO, Joran is walking a tightrope all of the time, in regards to control. Any little thing that makes him feel he has lost control of the situation and he explodes. Joran has no feelings or empathy for others but all in the world for himself. And when she confronted him, it was all about him - how dare she, etc. etc. etc. And when he confesses, he still lays blame with the victim because "He didn't want to" but she invaded his privacy. It is doubtful that Joran ever was held accountable for anything he ever did. But this time, he will be held accountable.

The information about the extortion was divulged on 6/3 -after her murder. Until then, the complaint was sealed.
 
I'm thinking Stephany Ramirez may have been asleep when Joran went to get the coffee and was still asleep when he returned. Maybe he started rummaging through her purse, she woke up and confronted him and he flew into a rage and killed her on the bed. Maybe she did not go into his computer at all.

Yes, that theory is as plausible as the my last post re: another theory I thought could have occurred, and as plausible as the confession/story Joran told Peruvian LE. With him, any of those things could have occurred.
 
The information about the extortion was divulged on 6/3 -after her murder. Until then, the complaint was sealed.

Suzihawk that is true that the general public did not know about the extortion.But the news not being released to the general public does not mean that Joran did not have info about contacting Beth for the money, and other things on his computer that may have alerted Stephany that he was trying to extort or scam her for her money.
 
la_cavalière;5268388 said:
I assume this explains how evidence of prior incidents with women and guns was introduced at the Phil Spector trials.

Exactly! Here is a cite to a United States Supreme Court case which sets forth in very simple language why uncharged crimes have to be relevant to the crime charged in order to be admitted into evidence during the criminal proceeding but why that's not the case after conviction and during sentencing. Williams v. New York (1949) 337 U.S. 241 at page 246.

OT: I just got back and the thread is flying fast! Is there a link that establishes that Anita VDS is once again claiming Joran's innocence or is that just opinion???
 
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