Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #9

[panthera]

Right but if JVDS was a stranger, you most certainly wouldn't be drinking his drink. I think they met up earlier she said - hey I have to take my girls home, save my drink, and I'll be back later....the video 5 years earlier with NH is eerily similar to this one- WOW!~

I was thinking of the similarity too. I remember hearing someone who had been in the casino and met Joran, say Joran & Stephany had met a couple of days earlier, so the interaction on this video isn't surprising. MOO

 

[SoCalSleuth]

After having watched the casino video, my take on what happened has changed. It looks to me as if they had prior plans to meet up at the casino, she arrives to meet him and finds him playing poker; she greets him like Here I am & gives a young person's high-5/handshake; she waits for him to finish his hand and get up to leave with her but he doesn't. so instead of standing there she pulls up a seat and starts playing herself. (I've done this myself at casinos when meeting up with friends for dinner, a show, etc. and they are still playing.) She stops playing and gets up and then he follows her and they leave. It appears clear to me they had plans to leave together before she got there. It doesn't appear that they were talking much at the table. Now, it could very well be that this is a composite of 5 hours of tape but I don't think that would change my opinion. I think before Stephany arrived they had plans to meet up and go back to his hotel to party (no sex in her mind). I don't think he planned to kill her at that time--I think he planned to become friends with her and then later claim his wallet was stolen and get money from her.

 

[Patty G]

Issues Transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/09/ijvm.01.html

 

[TravelingBug]

In case this hasn't been posted already:

The first absurved version of the crime that Joran Van der Sloot told to the Chilean police

such a liar!

original version in Spanish http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/492278/van-der-sloot-conto-increible-version-crimen-stephany-flores-policia-chilena

I'll do a human translation of it and put it in the translation thread in a few minutes.

 

[panthera]

A lot of good information tonight and especially the casino video. Thanks so much and have a good night! :seeya:

 

[frenchvixen]

Pat Lalama is hosting for Nancy.

Watching NG for a second time and Pat Brown says that JVDS was probably performing oral sex on Stephany. I'm sorry but I had to LMAO b/c that sounds so gross considering that it was her time of the month. I don't know where she got that info from but I'm certain that it's wrong.

 

[krowdkat]

A lot of good information tonight and especially the casino video. Thanks so much and have a good night! :seeya:

You too, Panthera! Sweet dreams.

 

[LilJoePinto]

Patty, I also asked a couple of times why the FBI couldn't pick him up as soon as the money was transferred or JVS was paid. The answer that it "wasn't enough sufficient evidence", didn't sit well with me. They couldn't arrest him on the day the money was transferred, but they could a few days/weeks later, after he was arrested for SF.

I'm not expert by any means, but something is up with the FBI and I would love to hear their side of this story. My gut tells me May 30th was his magic day to strike again in his sick mind, using the money from Beth to commit his crime, is even more horrendous, if that's even possible.

Bureaucracy. Not only within the FBI but the foreign officials they have to coordinate with. The FBI is an in-country US organization and has to be invited to work within another country. They don't have jurisdiction to make an arrest outside the US... all that has to be coordinated through the host country and possibly Interpol depending on the situation. The FBI has to present their findings to the host country (and possibly Interpol) and at that point it's really out of their hands. They have no authority to insist an arrest be made, and sometimes (maybe even often) political manueverings perhaps even among the highest government officials require pressuring or tapdancing around to convince whoever it is that requires convincing needs to see it the FBI's way and not drag their feet about it.

Raise your hand if you think Aruba wouldn't exactly be cooperative in making an arrest after the mess of the NH investigation and would much prefer to bury their heads in the sand and hope it all just goes away? Aruba has been trying for years to live down their embarrassing (and more than possibly corrupt) Keystone Cops NH investigation and was probably not very keen on opening up that can of worms again with this investigation.

And realistically, how was the FBI or anyone else to know that Joran was going to go to Peru and kill someone in the middle of this extortion and wire fraud sting? They're good, but they aren't clairvoyant. And what's the rush? They should take as much time as necessary so that he doesn't manage to pull another get out of jail free card out of his ear and slips out of the noose again... making the charges stick is FAR more important than rushing for no logical reason and creating another botch. As far as the FBI or anyone else knew for the past years Joran hasn't so much as physically harmed a single hair on anyone's head since the NH mess. The FBI spent a lot of time and effort working this case convinced Joran believed he was on his way to making $250,000... why in the world would they imagine he'd shoot himself in the foot by killing someone else because he most certainly wouldn't be making any more of that extortion money he was breaking some heavy duty laws to obtain.

So, here's the FBI ready to go with their investigation, but Joran is no longer in Aruba for Aruba officials to arrest. Now what? Well, they can try to convince Aruba to bring charges and attempt to extradite him from whatever country he's in at the time. Not such a good outcome, since Aruba may not be willing or able to do so, and once Joran finds out the charges have been made he'd run to whatever country wouldn't extradite him and stay there. So, with him out of Aruba another option for the FBI is to attempt to lure him to the US in order to not have to deal with Aruba at all so they can just arrest him on US soil themselves, but that would take more time, and there's no guarantee Joran would fall for it and actually touch down on US soil.

But while this decision making is going on Joran kills a young woman in Peru and they got him. Now there's nothing to stop the US from bringing charges because at that point they don't need Aruba's cooperation anymore nor do they need to lure him to the US. Problem miraculously solved through Joran's own fault though it took poor Stephany's life to solve the problem. That's why the FBI made the charges when they did... through Joran's own despicable actions he made it easy for the FBI to be able to bring the charges because he was in custody in Peru and neither Aruba's cooperation nor the possible need to try to lure him to the US mattered anymore.

 

[jilly]

Another thing that might support the notion that the hotel was holding his passport is that according to a "friend" he was worried that he couldn't pay his hotel bill. Why would this worry someone like Joran? I'd think he'd just skip out without paying. But perhaps he couldn't do that because they were holding his passport. The hotel also didn't seem to be too concerned when he was behind a couple of days in paying for the room...perhaps twice. They must have had good reason to believe that he hadn't skipped out.

Sorry (I've almost got info overload) but was it said anywhere that he actually checked out? All I remember reading are references to his leaving.

 

[Melanie]

Watching NG for a second time and Pat Brown says that JVDS was probably performing oral sex on Stephany. I'm sorry but I had to LMAO b/c that sounds so gross considering that it was her time of the month. I don't know where she got that info from but I'm certain that it's wrong.

Wow - Pat Brown said that? Now that seems out of charachter for her. Besides, Stephany still had her panties on (as far as we know). Joran doesn't seem the type to put them back on after such an act.

Okay -- gonna go barf now.

MOO

Mel

 

[nerdy]

Ya'll PLEASE don't flog me okay? I don't mean to speak ill of the deceased, but IMO, after watching the casino video (not to mention their demeanor when they went into his room), it looks to me like a drug deal. Didn't they say they sat in her a car for around 30 minutes? Time enough to roll a doobie and smoke it and perhaps more of the same or a line of coke was offered, which of course was back at his room. Wouldn't be the first time a drug deal went terribly awry.

I would agree this is a possibility. And many times the seller will chat with the potential buyer for awhile just to feel them out. Obviously just my opinion.

 

[jjenny]

Watching NG for a second time and Pat Brown says that JVDS was probably performing oral sex on Stephany. I'm sorry but I had to LMAO b/c that sounds so gross considering that it was her time of the month. I don't know where she got that info from but I'm certain that it's wrong.

Whatever in the world gave her that idea? Just yesterday she was claiming she thinks Joran was trying to rape Stephany and she was resisting, and that's why she was killed.

 

[jjenny]

I would agree this is a possibility. And many times the seller will chat with the potential buyer for awhile just to feel them out. Obviously just my opinion.

I agree that there probably was something to entice Stephany into Joran's room, something she would have wanted.
I think he was promising to give her something or sell her something, etc.

 

[MCDRAW]

2:46 when they leave the table, he is holding the drink?

When she walks up, they shake hands like they knew each other. Like maybe they were meeting each other. Just the impression I got.

 

[MaraSleuth]

I watched the video from the casino and I think they were familiar to each other. I also think they were hooking up for something, drugs or maybe even sex. She could have been bi or exploring or whatever. Her actions in the casino are almost flirty to me - taking the drink from him etc. I don't think she was drugged prior to going into his room - she has an awful teetering walk in the casino that is like her walk in the lobby.

 

[fran]

OR were they counting cards or something? IDK just thinking out loud. It looks like they were teaming up by walking seconds apart to the exact same table but not together. JMO.

I hate to admit it, but I thought they may be counting cards or whatever they do, too. I know there isn't anything that has been in 'print' to indicate there was anything of that sort, but it did appear they met-up, intentionally.

JMHO
fran

 

[Carolina Girl]

Watching NG for a second time and Pat Brown says that JVDS was probably performing oral sex on Stephany. I'm sorry but I had to LMAO b/c that sounds so gross considering that it was her time of the month. I don't know where she got that info from but I'm certain that it's wrong.

Well, I am sorry, but I actually knew a weirdo that said that the time of the month turned him on.:sick:..Not one of my best friends.

 

[jilly]

Here's my "new and improved" thoughts on this whole mess. I think JVDS really didn't mean to kill her - I think he was more "grooming" her. I read today that he knew she was from a family of influence and had money - not only family money, she was a winner at the casino as well. He saw the chance to be-friend her and have a new (friend) source of money.

Yes, he took her back to the hotel. Yes, he definitely killed her. What happened at the hotel I don't know - he flew into a rage and the rage took over and he killed her.

He knew better than to kill a girl in a hotel room registered to him. Which comes to the next part.

His dad has only been dead for 4 months - tomorrow. I remember the date his dad died because it is one of my children's birthday. Feb. 10 - this year. That's not a long time to get over that and, it seems mommy didn't have daddy to override her in cutting him off.

He has become more and more desperate. First, the extortion, then the begging friends for money, then getting the 10% down and BLOWING it in no time - he was in a serious nose dive.

From what I've read, in his mind he didn't have time to "groom" her. According to the article that Panthera posted (below) he asked a friend "...on several occasions to send money, and was [by his own account], completely desperate and pretty depressed. He asked for small amounts [to eat], and became pretty angry when I refused to send anything. He said literally that he was capable of strange things because no one wanted to help him,"

http://abcnews.go.com/International...loot-paradise-prison/story?id=10860167&page=2

 

[Kateyes]

Notice all the sniffing JVDS is doing during that vid? Looks like he's been using/abusing cocaine for a while.
JMO

Funny you should note that. Earlier today, I think in the thread before this, I watched a video someone posted. Much of the video was in dutch so I could not understand a lot of it. But, there was an interview that was shown wit Jaap Armasz (sp?) the guy from Aruba who had been on the reality show, and befriended Joran to get him to talk to him. During the segment that showed that interview Joran sniffles quite often. Seems like he has had a cocaine problem for quite a while. I sure hope his attorney doesn't try to get him off on a "temporary insanity" due to cocaine intoxication. I don't even know if such a defense is possible in Peru. Good observation about the sniffing - until you noted it I didn't think about it much.

 

[Melanie]

Sorry (I've almost got info overload) but was it said anywhere that he actually checked out? All I remember reading are references to his leaving.

Wilkepedia already has the following updated. It doesn't looked like he checked out -- rather he left with the key and did not return.

Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramírez, 21, died at the Hotel TAC, S.A.C. in the Miraflores District of Lima, Peru.[32] On June 2, her beaten body was found by a hotel employee in room 309,[33] which had been registered in Van der Sloot's name.[34] He had departed from the hotel without returning the room key and left the television blaring.

Mel