Please Update George's Condition or New Developments Here

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
Respectfully,
George could very well be suffering from chronic depression. This could be the reason he can't hold a job. It's not being weak.There is a chemical imbalance in the brain and it rules your life,just like multiple sclerosis or diabetes.The difference is the STIGMA and NAME CALLING attached to it ,which keeps people from getting help.They also consider it a weakness or flaw.I repeat:It keeps people from getting help. Once you experience it you understand the hold true chronic depression has and you no longer JUDGE people as weak or lazy.
I try to be as open as I can about my child's suicide to fight the stigma.My son was awesome,but he didn't believe it.I am upfront about my resulting depression and medication for the same reason. The strongest,brightest,most productive people in the world can be stopped in their tracks by chronic depression.

So well said MissJames and I am so very sorry about your son. :blowkiss: People who have never experienced chronic or clinical depression can not possibly understand how it affects you (definitely not like "depression" that many experience once in a while) I gave up trying to explain to my family, there is just no way that they can 'get it'. Often it IS the brightest and most creative people that suffer from it! (((HUGS))) to you!
 
MissJames, I am so sorry about your son too!

So well said MissJames and I am so very sorry about your son. :blowkiss: People who have never experienced chronic or clinical depression can not possibly understand how it affects you (definitely not like "depression" that many experience once in a while) I gave up trying to explain to my family, there is just no way that they can 'get it'. Often it IS the brightest and most creative people that suffer from it! (((HUGS))) to you!

One good way to describe it is this:

Imagine the worst flu you ever had. Now, Imagine being that sick and having to go to work or play tennis or get dressed.

Just take away the fever and sore throat and leave the same level of interest (none and even dreading the activity) and you have major depression.
 
Laura, I respectfully disagree. Cindy DID call 911 but from that minute forward she lied for Casey, she covered for Casey, she made George lie for Casey, never one time did she do one thing right for Caylee. I will never forget her statement: "Just wait, when everything comes out, then everyone will say, ok, now I understand. My daughter is 100% innocent." Well, I don't have to wait til everything comes out...ok, now I understand.

I still wonder if Cindy had known that Caylee was in fact 'tossed in the woods like a bag of trash' by KC's hands as I believe that she was, IF she would have ever made that 911 call. Many may disagree, but I'm thinking she WOULD NOT and we would never have heard of Caylee Marie Anthony. jmho
 
MissJames, I am so sorry about your son too!



One good way to describe it is this:

Imagine the worst flu you ever had. Now, Imagine being that sick and having to go to work or play tennis or get dressed.

Just take away the fever and sore throat and leave the same level of interest (none and even dreading the activity) and you have major depression.

Yep, and in my case, I KNEW/KNOW that I have MUCH to be grateful for and everything still seemed ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMING.
 
Ok...I've read the thread, bit my lip a few times and thought a lot about this situation with GA. I agree with a lot that's been said and I disagree with a lot that has been said. I don't have to work to hard to imagine the psychological pathology that this man has developed after spending years being married to a domineering wife, putting up with his lying daughter, being the first one to realize that something was horribly wrong when he picked the car up, knowing that his daughter killed the one person in his life that loved him unconditionally, the lying and coverup that insued at his wife's insistence, the thought that they will probably be arrested for OJ, etc.

This has been building up in GA for quite a while. Some of it long before KC killed Caylee. His coping mechanisms have been to go along with the flow and not make waves, being a yes man to his wife and daughter, dabbling in gambling and other things. His one little refuge of sanity was Caylee. He could be JoJo, grandpa, he could pull her around the neighborhood in a red wagon, she never judged him or belittled him, she just loved him.

His daughter took that away from him. He knew the minute he opened up that car door at the tow yard that Caylee was dead and that KC was more than likely the killer. His interviews with LE and FBI are very interesting. He knows he's being recorded, he knows what he says will be played on TV or the very least at court, he knows CA will hear exactly everything he says. He's trying to say so much to LE without really coming out and saying it because he knows, if he does, there will be a volcanic eruption at home.

George falls back on his coping mechanism of just going along with the flow, agreeing with CA, not making any waves, kissing everyone's patootie. This seems to work on the exterior but all you have to do is look into his eyes, he knows the truth, he wants to tell the truth, he cannot come out and say it and keep what's left of his world intact.

George reached his breaking point shortly after this last doc dump. I'm just guessing here but I would imagine it was the heart sticker. As upset as it made us here, imagine George's thought process when he hears this and he knows exactly what sticker sheet that sticker came off of. There's no hiding it now, he knows he cannot stand the lies any more. George makes a plan.

Being ex-LE, George is probably a little familiar with the mental health laws that all states have. They might differ a little from state to state but they are essentially the same. George knows if he can make a break away from the toxicity that is the Anthony family right now, he might have a chance to start an heal. He knows he can at least get 72 hrs away from them. He leaves, checks into the seedy motel, starts texting suicidal intentions, has a couple of beers, sits back and waits for LE to find him. Probably flushes his sleeping pills down the toilet cause he doesn't really want to kill himself, he just wants help getting through all of this and help getting away from the toxic family.

The Anthony ship hit an iceberg last July and has been slowly sinking ever since. KC, CA and LA aren't even willing to admit the ship hit an iceberg. George knows the ship is going to sink. Even though he stays way too long, he finally is able to jump overboard into a lifeboat called "The Baker Act". I really think you will see George come out of the hospital a changed man. I think he will stand up for truth and justice for Caylee. He has wanted to all along but has just now freed himself from the incumberances that kept him on that sinking ship of lies.

My opinion as always.

GR8 post .....i was holding back tears after the 2nd paragraph....
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
I pray that you are right about GA that he is able to STAND UP for Caylee as well as himself....
 
the thing that keeps hitting me is can you imagine living in that house???????? all the many many ghosts of Caylee being there???? I know it was hard for my mom to live int he same house that she shared with my dad...couldn't get out of there fast enough...I also know I was haunted by the same ghost...heck I can't even muster the nerve to go by mom's house that she lived in prior to her death in August--& neither were due to violent crime....Add to that ca and her lines---along with all the others....

I think he may have had some mental issues in the past (anger) also wasn't mental illness on his side -??? (granted ca mentioned that to clear her family---but...) I truly think enough was enough...he had mentined it several times in the past when he more or less hinted he would give his live -- heard that several tmes...I just hope he can find the strenght and will to go on and honor Caylee as he should---I hope he puts on his Grandfather hat for her and leave the dad hat at the hospital...focus on being dad to la----just stop the insanity and go forward with truth.....let the chips fall where they may---
 
I think CA also said that we'll be calling KC Mother of the Year?
^i^


Laura, I respectfully disagree. Cindy DID call 911 but from that minute forward she lied for Casey, she covered for Casey, she made George lie for Casey, never one time did she do one thing right for Caylee. I will never forget her statement: "Just wait, when everything comes out, then everyone will say, ok, now I understand. My daughter is 100% innocent." Well, I don't have to wait til everything comes out...ok, now I understand.
 
Zoey i agree people deal with death in many ways....When my father committed suicide my step mother simply had the carpet cleaned , room repainted, and went on with her life...She ended up remarrying with in three months and even shared the same bed with her new husband...You couldn't have drug me into this bedroom....Some would say she was a cold hearted bio***...i would AGREE with them ...while others may say it doesn't bother them....
 
the thing that keeps hitting me is can you imagine living in that house???????? all the many many ghosts of Caylee being there???? I know it was hard for my mom to live int he same house that she shared with my dad...couldn't get out of there fast enough...I also know I was haunted by the same ghost...heck I can't even muster the nerve to go by mom's house that she lived in prior to her death in August--& neither were due to violent crime....Add to that ca and her lines---along with all the others....

I think he may have had some mental issues in the past (anger) also wasn't mental illness on his side -??? (granted ca mentioned that to clear her family---but...) I truly think enough was enough...he had mentined it several times in the past when he more or less hinted he would give his live -- heard that several tmes...I just hope he can find the strenght and will to go on and honor Caylee as he should---I hope he puts on his Grandfather hat for her and leave the dad hat at the hospital...focus on being dad to la----just stop the insanity and go forward with truth.....let the chips fall where they may---

I agree, although it would take a giant of a man at this point to honestly spill the beans -- I imagine the truth would implicate himself, his wife and his son, not to mention his daughter. The entire family is intertwined and who knows where one ends and one begins?. I dunno. It's a tall order. (but I wish he'd do it.)
 
That's exactly right. When you are super sick (with a bad flu/equate it with depression), and you HAVE to get dressed, go to work, etc. and there is no end to the flu in sight--it is very easy to start thinking about death.

Everything one knows does not help anything. In fact, knowing you are grateful can make it worse because it doesn't fix depression. Just like you can be super sick with flu and feel grateful...the flu is still miserable.

I really hope that George continues to get treatment and help! All my thoughts are with him now.

My thoughts are with him as well. While I strongly disagree with much that he has said and done, he is the one person I had pinned my hopes on being Caylee's hero. Having said that....perhaps he hasn't been able to do that until he helps himself. So for George and Caylee, I hope he does everything he needs to do regarding his mental health for he and Caylee both.
 
Zoey i agree people deal with death in many ways....When my father committed suicide my step mother simply had the carpet cleaned , room repainted, and went on with her life...She ended up remarrying with in three months and even shared the same bed with her new husband...You couldn't have drug me into this bedroom....Some would say she was a cold hearted bio***...i would AGREE with them ...while others may say it doesn't bother them....

I'm so sorry you lost your dad!
 
Zoey i agree people deal with death in many ways....When my father committed suicide my step mother simply had the carpet cleaned , room repainted, and went on with her life...She ended up remarrying with in three months and even shared the same bed with her new husband...You couldn't have drug me into this bedroom....Some would say she was a cold hearted bio***...i would AGREE with them ...while others may say it doesn't bother them....

:eek: I'm so sorry about your dad......and I have to agree with you!
 
I don't disagree with some of your thoughts and points above. Nor do I agree with all of them.

I do not think George can Man up and help towards Justice For Caylee until his mental health issues are addressed by professionals. That does not preclude my hoping that justice is served all the way around.

I might read posts differently, but I've yet to read a post here on the Caylee forums in the past 6 months that gave me pause and made me think to myself, "I really don't think that person wants Justice For Caylee." (I've had to look a little deeper and with a really open mind for one or two posts, but that's what I have walked away with for every single post I have ever read here on this forum at WS.

This is not directed at you personally, but sure do hope that people who post and visit feel that they should stop discussing opinions as bolded above - especially when they can do so with the type of intelligent, informed minds that WS attracts.

You make a very good point! Someone clinically depressed is not able to concentrate, not able to make decisions, and is at the mercy of negative thoughts and feelings that colour all of their experience to an extreme degree. He can't decide about anything or cope and deal with reality till his depression is treated.
 
Ok...I've read the thread, bit my lip a few times and thought a lot about this situation with GA. I agree with a lot that's been said and I disagree with a lot that has been said. I don't have to work to hard to imagine the psychological pathology that this man has developed after spending years being married to a domineering wife, putting up with his lying daughter, being the first one to realize that something was horribly wrong when he picked the car up, knowing that his daughter killed the one person in his life that loved him unconditionally, the lying and coverup that insued at his wife's insistence, the thought that they will probably be arrested for OJ, etc.

This has been building up in GA for quite a while. Some of it long before KC killed Caylee. His coping mechanisms have been to go along with the flow and not make waves, being a yes man to his wife and daughter, dabbling in gambling and other things. His one little refuge of sanity was Caylee. He could be JoJo, grandpa, he could pull her around the neighborhood in a red wagon, she never judged him or belittled him, she just loved him.

His daughter took that away from him. He knew the minute he opened up that car door at the tow yard that Caylee was dead and that KC was more than likely the killer. His interviews with LE and FBI are very interesting. He knows he's being recorded, he knows what he says will be played on TV or the very least at court, he knows CA will hear exactly everything he says. He's trying to say so much to LE without really coming out and saying it because he knows, if he does, there will be a volcanic eruption at home.

George falls back on his coping mechanism of just going along with the flow, agreeing with CA, not making any waves, kissing everyone's patootie. This seems to work on the exterior but all you have to do is look into his eyes, he knows the truth, he wants to tell the truth, he cannot come out and say it and keep what's left of his world intact.

George reached his breaking point shortly after this last doc dump. I'm just guessing here but I would imagine it was the heart sticker. As upset as it made us here, imagine George's thought process when he hears this and he knows exactly what sticker sheet that sticker came off of. There's no hiding it now, he knows he cannot stand the lies any more. George makes a plan.

Being ex-LE, George is probably a little familiar with the mental health laws that all states have. They might differ a little from state to state but they are essentially the same. George knows if he can make a break away from the toxicity that is the Anthony family right now, he might have a chance to start an heal. He knows he can at least get 72 hrs away from them. He leaves, checks into the seedy motel, starts texting suicidal intentions, has a couple of beers, sits back and waits for LE to find him. Probably flushes his sleeping pills down the toilet cause he doesn't really want to kill himself, he just wants help getting through all of this and help getting away from the toxic family.

The Anthony ship hit an iceberg last July and has been slowly sinking ever since. KC, CA and LA aren't even willing to admit the ship hit an iceberg. George knows the ship is going to sink. Even though he stays way too long, he finally is able to jump overboard into a lifeboat called "The Baker Act". I really think you will see George come out of the hospital a changed man. I think he will stand up for truth and justice for Caylee. He has wanted to all along but has just now freed himself from the incumberances that kept him on that sinking ship of lies.

My opinion as always.

It is evident that you did put a great deal of thought into this, ECS. Great post that covers so many aspects of the current circumstances and the past dynamics.

99.95% pure agreement. (We can kibitz that measly 0.5 later over coffee) :D
 
Zoey i agree people deal with death in many ways....When my father committed suicide my step mother simply had the carpet cleaned , room repainted, and went on with her life...She ended up remarrying with in three months and even shared the same bed with her new husband...You couldn't have drug me into this bedroom....Some would say she was a cold hearted bio***...i would AGREE with them ...while others may say it doesn't bother them....

I am sorry for the loss of your dad....My folks always had a love/hate relationship and mom used the "hate" part to get over the actual grief part perse---BUT---she felt the loss she was just to proud to admit it....I lost it the first time I was there and everytime after...still remember the time I had to stay there & slept in his bed...what a nightmare that was! I saw him everywhere in that house, my house at times...just missing him....with mom I do the same but more in phones and stores....

I'm not a total a-supporter but have to say that house would be haunted...chillingly so....
 
It is evident that you did put a great deal of thought into this, ECS. Great post that covers so many aspects of the current circumstances and the past dynamics.

99.95% pure agreement. (We can kibitz that measly 0.5 later over coffee) :D

That is the best I have seen it put ecs5298, very thought out and makes complete sense. :clap:
 
It will take more than a week to deprogram George,and I do hope he continues to accept counseling.
 
Seems to me that George thinks it would be easier to die than to get his butt out there and get a job. Life goes on and bills need to be paid to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table, but George thinks Cindy would be better off if he was dead....and I agree with him....because then she'd be able to collect his SS which would help pay the bills to live which he is not willing to do.

Many here see George as this upstanding guy and Cindy as a witch, but I see that George would have long ago ended his life if he didn't have Cindy to leach off of and to take care of him. George knows he's been a terrible husband and father, but instead of making it better, he desired to take the easiest way out for himself. If I was Cindy, I'd not go see him either because I would hate his guts for doing this. He's a weakling and has always been a weakling!


I pray to God you never have to find out what it feels like to want to die.
 
OneLostGirl,
I have not read through everything on this thread,but I agree with you. I only wish we had some warning before our son committed suicide.
Anyone in George's position would be deeply grieving and in excruciating pain.
I suspect the only reason he didn't complete the action is because he knew he would be making it harder on Cindy and Lee.

I am so sorry for your loss!! I have wanted to die for as long as I can remember- it is a horrible way to go through life! Mental illness can kill just as real as cancer and heart disease.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
78
Guests online
179
Total visitors
257

Forum statistics

Threads
609,588
Messages
18,255,877
Members
234,697
Latest member
Digger1
Back
Top