POI: Joseph Brewer

[Seaslug44]

Does anyone have any new information about Joseph Brewer or any new insight into why he may or may not be the SK?

Other than him being the John who hired SG (who police have stated most likely was not murdered), there is nothing to suggest that he has anything to do with any of the murders.

The man is not a police suspect.

He never was.

All this discussion about JB is all based upon imagination.

 

[Redbird]

I would have to say I agree with you. I do think he may have organized "parties" but I'm not even sure about that. Any info we have about that is merely rumor and gossip. All we really have is that something really really scared Shannan when she was at his house. Could have been from a phone call. Who knows.

 

[the quiet girl]

Other than him being the John who hired SG (who police have stated most likely was not murdered), there is nothing to suggest that he has anything to do with any of the murders.

The man is not a police suspect.

He never was.

All this discussion about JB is all based upon imagination.

I would not go so far as to discount it based on imagination. It all would be then about each person.
He is hiding plenty, imo. Who is his drifter buddy?
Shannan did run from his house scared for her life then dies.

 

[nicola0001]

Usually I give up and let someone else have the last word, but my daughter was in a car wreck this afternoon and my adrenaline is still pumping so I will give it a shot. People who read a lot of fiction and English majors, as I was at one time, know that most writers borrow a lot of their material from things they see and experience in real life. As I believe Hackett Sr. did.

Sorry to hear about ure daughter Redbird,hope she is ok,

When someone writes an Autobiograhy/Biography there can be a great deal of "creative licence" applied. I do think far too much faith is put in this book, as we dont know exactly what is true & happened, & what was made up.

Just my opinion folks:fencebtw luv reading everyones theorys,whether I agree or not)

 

[the quiet girl]

Sorry to hear about ure daughter Redbird,hope she is ok,

When someone writes an Autobiograhy/Biography there can be a great deal of "creative licence" applied. I do think far too much faith is put in this book, as we dont know exactly what is true & happened, & what was made up.

Just my opinion folks:fencebtw luv reading everyones theorys,whether I agree or not)

Well said, my same sentiments.

 

[Seaslug44]

I would have to say I agree with you. I do think he may have organized "parties" but I'm not even sure about that. Any info we have about that is merely rumor and gossip. All we really have is that something really really scared Shannan when she was at his house. Could have been from a phone call. Who knows.

Exactly.

We really do not know what kind of trouble SG may have gotten herself into with her drug addiction. Many addicts owe their dealers money. It is part of the racket that drug dealers run. They keep them addicted but also keep them I'm debt. It adds to the addiction when the addict cannot afford more than a few hits at a time.

 

[the quiet girl]

Exactly.

We really do not know what kind of trouble SG may have gotten herself into with her drug addiction. Many addicts owe their dealers money. It is part of the racket that drug dealers run. They keep them addicted but also keep them I'm debt. It adds to the addiction when the addict cannot afford more than a few hits at a time.

In the same vain, I don't feel that she got herself in that situation that night because she was addicted to any drug. She probably did what the rest were doing at the home and had scene or heard something to have her want to run from her life. So with that thought bringing it back to JB what has he not told?
IMO, I do think he knows more then is letting on whether or not he was the direct cause.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

What I am having trouble wrapping my head around is according to some reports, Shannan Gilbert refused to leave JB's place. If those reports are true, what made her afraid to leave? What was it that made Shannan believe that it was safer to remain at JB's?


Newsday
Gilbert vanishing reaches
one-year mark
Published: April 30, 2011
By Michael Among, Matthew Chayes, Chau Lam, Paul Larocco, Tania Lopez, Jennifer Smith & Andrew Strickler
http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilbert-vanishing-reaches-one-year-mark-1.2849214

"Brewer went outside to Pak, asking for help in getting her to leave."

"After Gilbert refused to leave, Pak said he sat down, exasperated."

 

[MrsPC]

What I am having trouble wrapping my head around is according to some reports, Shannan Gilbert refused to leave JB's place. If those reports are true, what made her afraid to leave? What was it that made Shannan believe that it was safer to remain at JB's?

IMO, Gilbert refused to leave because he probably didn't pay her. And then Brewer grabbed her around the neck from behind and most likely whispered a threat or something. And she phoned 911.

 

[the quiet girl]

What I am having trouble wrapping my head around is according to some reports, Shannan Gilbert refused to leave JB's place. If those reports are true, what made her afraid to leave? What was it that made Shannan believe that it was safer to remain at JB's?

Common sense to me imagining what went down with that and imagining the key word. Not even considering anything else just a situation where this would happen.

There are people at a house a prostitute works at late into the morning. She stays a long time and in the middle of this they run out of drugs and or condoms sex paraphernalia, with having her driver retrieve some for them they have to do it on their own. The prostitute and John run down to a well know Doctors home, they know he is up. The two come back from that to the home after a few minutes.

Things are getting way late, people are tired and possibly inebriated to the extreme at the end of this. One of the partiers make a remark or show the young girl something that she is unaware of. She freaks out and her driver or pimp is called in to remove her from the scene by someone. While this commotion is going on it dawns on her that the driver is part of something or even if not she cannot trust anyone at this point. What she realized was that bad. So she cannot go with her driver and makes a run for it. Upon finding a home and help she has to keep running because she is left outside while help is on the way.

She had already called 911 and knows that they are inefficient at the job and will not get to her for at least another hour. So she keeps running to get help or escape from the party house and all those involved. She runs into the marshy field to get away from the road after multiple failed attempts at true safety. What became of her after this I don't know.
After the fall out from that situation the powers that be from the party house try in vain to CYA and involve the doctor they went to that night by asking for his help with the underlying threat of we will expose you also.

all that is just of course a may have happened and nothing but possible fiction
Just thinking what in the world have happened that night and what makes any sense of it, idk. I cannot wait for more info such as the ME report.
because we are all spinning straws here, imo.
grr

 

[Dwntwnslim]

IMO, Gilbert refused to leave because he probably didn't pay her. And then Brewer grabbed her around the neck from behind and most likely whispered a threat or something. And she phoned 911.

According to the Newsday story linked in my previous post, Shannan called 911 *after* or *during*(?) the time JB went outside to ask MP to help him get Shannan to leave.


Newsday
Gilbert vanishing reaches
one-year mark
Published: April 30, 2011
By Michael Among, Matthew Chayes, Chau Lam, Paul Larocco, Tania Lopez, Jennifer Smith & Andrew Strickler
http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...mark-1.2849214

"Brewer went outside to Pak, asking for help in getting her to leave."

"Inside, Pak said Gilbert was standing near the kitchen holding her cellphone, a police dispatcher on the line."

"She had called 911 at 4:51 a.m. and police would be on the phone with her for 23 minutes. It was the last call recorded from that phone. She could not say where she was, and no officers arrived until nearly 6 a.m., after neighbors called 911."

"Pak said he tried to calm her and told her they should leave."

"Suffolk police have not released the 911 tape, but Suffolk Deputy Insp. Gerard McCarthy, commanding officer of the Special Services Bureau, said a dispatcher could hear a frantic woman and voices in the background trying to soothe her."

"After Gilbert refused to leave, Pak said he sat down, exasperated. He was beginning to suspect she was acting strangely because of a bad reaction to drugs and alcohol, which he said she often did with clients. Brewer said he saw no drugs. Police say they believe Gilbert was intoxicated."

"Finally, he'd had enough and walked out and got into his SUV, he said."

"A short time later, Pak said she bolted from the house, phone in hand, and fell down the front steps before running away."

 

[Dwntwnslim]

@ the quiet girl & MrsPC-

Both of your ideas make sense to me.

Thanks for the help!

 

[Maddalenasgirl]

Is it possible that Brewer ordered Shannan's services for someone else? Another person that has not been named? Is there a chance that Brewer was paid to insulate this individual? Yes, I agree that there are no facts. But facts are not easy to come by in most serial killer cases. However, many dead sex workers were found in the vicinity both male and female which makes me believe that the LISK may be bi-sexual. DId anyone watch the show about the Atlantic City serial killings? If so, one or two of the sex workers said that they saw two girls that may have been dead in the hotel room that they were partying in. I believe that Shannan saw something that night that terrified her and made her run for her life. I do not believe that she drowned. There is a real life boogey man on Long Island that stopped killing because the police have gotten to close-IMHO.

 

[LINative13]

A simple answer to a complex question...why is Joseph Brewer acting weird?

The guy got caught ordering a hooker and is married. An unrelated search (wasn't Blue originally looking for Melissa?) broke a serial killer investigation wide open and now he is being tied into a drugged out hooker running from his home months earlier......all over trying to get laid on the side without his wife knowing (which I still think is a thing to do, but its not nearly on the level of being a mass murderer). Pardon my frank language but lets not pretend Shannon Gilbert, Joseph Brewer, and Michael Pak were working on a nobel peace price project that night.

 

[Seaslug44]

A simple answer to a complex question...why is Joseph Brewer acting weird?

The guy got caught ordering a hooker and is married. An unrelated search (wasn't Blue originally looking for Melissa?) broke a serial killer investigation wide open and now he is being tied into a drugged out hooker running from his home months earlier......all over trying to get laid on the side without his wife knowing (which I still think is a thing to do, but its not nearly on the level of being a mass murderer). Pardon my frank language but lets not pretend Shannon Gilbert, Joseph Brewer, and Michael Pak were working on a nobel peace price project that night.

I agree 100% with your post. Let us also not forget that he has cooperated from day one with the police. He immediately took a polygraph test, let them search both his Oak Beach and his West Islip homes, impound his vehicle, etc...

Let us all keep in mind that he comes from a family with deep pockets and a vast amount of resources. He could have immediately hired an attorney and hid behind his rights and not said one word to the police. They didn't even need to secure search warrants because he was so cooperative.

Nothing about JB suggests that he is anything other than a man who was caught hiring an escort.

 

[MrsPC]

I agree 100% with your post. Let us also not forget that he has cooperated from day one with the police. He immediately took a polygraph test, let them search both his Oak Beach and his West Islip homes, impound his vehicle, etc...

Let us all keep in mind that he comes from a family with deep pockets and a vast amount of resources. He could have immediately hired an attorney and hid behind his rights and not said one word to the police. They didn't even need to secure search warrants because he was so cooperative.

Nothing about JB suggests that he is anything other than a man who was caught hiring an escort.

To my knowledge, there are no news reports of Brewer's W Islip home being searched.

Let's also not forget that if Brewer is responsible for Gilbert's demise or the demise of the other 4 young women, that he had months & months (7 at least) to clean out his home & dispose of evidence. Police didn't even go to his home or talk to him the night Gilbert went missing.

 

[LINative13]

To my knowledge, there are no news reports of Brewer's W Islip home being searched.

Let's also not forget that if Brewer is responsible for Gilbert's demise or the demise of the other 4 young women, that he had months & months (7 at least) to clean out his home & dispose of evidence. Police didn't even go to his home or talk to him the night Gilbert went missing.

He could have. Cannot rule that out either. I just think the octums razor is best applied to this situation.

 

[Reannan]

Is it possible that Brewer ordered Shannan's services for someone else? Another person that has not been named? Is there a chance that Brewer was paid to insulate this individual? Yes, I agree that there are no facts. But facts are not easy to come by in most serial killer cases. However, many dead sex workers were found in the vicinity both male and female which makes me believe that the LISK may be bi-sexual. DId anyone watch the show about the Atlantic City serial killings? If so, one or two of the sex workers said that they saw two girls that may have been dead in the hotel room that they were partying in. I believe that Shannan saw something that night that terrified her and made her run for her life. I do not believe that she drowned. There is a real life boogey man on Long Island that stopped killing because the police have gotten to close-IMHO.

BBM - Welcome to WS's Maddalensagirl!!! I have followed the Atlantic City murders for a while now, and I do not recall hearing that any of the sex workers involved had seen anyone dead in a hotel room. Do you have a link, or remember where you heard that info? Fascinating.....

 

[truthspider]

I would have to say I agree with you. I do think he may have organized "parties" but I'm not even sure about that. Any info we have about that is merely rumor and gossip. All we really have is that something really really scared Shannan when she was at his house. Could have been from a phone call. Who knows.

I think it was a phone call or some other form of message: txt etc. She became scared while she was in the house, yet hid inside the house, called 911 from inside the house, and refused to leave the house, hence the threat is outside the house. She also started falling down staircases once she left JB's house which leads me to believe she may have been drugged.

On top of that we know one of the SK's favorite weapons is a phone. I believe his reliance on phones as a power tool tells us he is a non-confrontational attacker. Prank calling is a weapon of the weak and most commonly performed by children. In my opinion this "phone play" tells us our serial killer is one of the physically and psychologically weakest serial killers we have seen.

 

[nicola0001]

A simple answer to a complex question...why is Joseph Brewer acting weird?

The guy got caught ordering a hooker and is married. An unrelated search (wasn't Blue originally looking for Melissa?) broke a serial killer investigation wide open and now he is being tied into a drugged out hooker running from his home months earlier......all over trying to get laid on the side without his wife knowing (which I still think is a thing to do, but its not nearly on the level of being a mass murderer). Pardon my frank language but lets not pretend Shannon Gilbert, Joseph Brewer, and Michael Pak were working on a nobel peace price project that night.

I dont know if JB is the lisk, but of course hes acting weird hes a married man whos been exposed in the media as using prostitutes! We dont know what kind of freaky/kinky stuff hes into (group stuff etc), but I bet his wife wont be up for it. & no matter what they were up to that night, they all knew why they went there (im talking about sex,not the violence/murder if that happened) & thats their own personal choices.