Police say parents are not answering vital questions #2

[cityslick]

Originally Posted by cityslick
How is it possible she would know BL was missing prior to 10:30pm? The boys in that house would've gave up that little tidbit in the interviews they've had with LE

Maybe the children did reveal this tidbit in their first interviews and that is why the LE are so interested in chatting with the Irwin's in separate interviews. Perhaps this is why they won't be interviewed and resisted allowign the children until they were convinced the kids wouldn't reveal the times that they saw stuff or "heard" stuff.

If DI found BL dead at 6:40 then then she would continue to carry on and try to make an alibi for herself and then say that she doesn't remember if she saw her at 10:30 pm. Making an intruder timeline from 6:40 on.

I think it all fits, since she had to cover that huge chunk of time to say "hey, I blacked out I dont' remember checking on her BUT OH I do remember checking on my other two kids...who just happen to be old enough to tell LE, I saw mommie late and she asked us to go to bed with her.

Story just does not add up for me. Sorry

If she found BL dead at 6:40 (like in the crib, perhaps SIDS), why would she cover it up? She didn't even start drinking at that point.

 

[hambirg]

That is possible. But this Uncle Johnnie--he doesn't come across as the most rational person, you know??

I agree. If this is who they are referring to, they might just be asking him to kindly keep his mouth shut.

MOO

 

[yllek]

This part I am personally going to have to say that if LE was not certain if the baby had or had not been seen that evening, we would have a public outcry from LE as for witnesses to come forward if they had seen her in that timeframe or not like we have in so many other cases when the last sighting other than family was an unknown. We have not in this case.

I am also going to say that SB must not be too worried about them having something to do with it as we have on film her daughter in their very presence and I have personally seen the boys and her daughter playing together in the last few days. If I had any inkling that my friend had anything to do with her baby being missing, my kid would not be in her presence at all.

But I totally agree with what you stated.

I'm not sure LE would go public if they have a good idea of most likely culprits and none are strangers. They already went public with the Amber Alert once the baby was reported missing. IF they now suspect there might have been a big delay in reporting Lisa missing, then they know it was not a stranger to the parents. Imo, LE would keep the focus close to home. It's been reported that neighbors have been questioned more than once. We don't know what they were asked, but they would be the ones to appeal to for information about last sightings, imo. The general public already knows what Lisa looks like and when she was reportedly last seen. JMO, but open to possibilities..

 

[matou]

If she found BL dead at 6:40 (like in the crib, perhaps SIDS), why would she cover it up? She didn't even start drinking at that point.

When did she start drinking?

 

[natsound]

You know, I remember that too.

I can't find a link now, but it was a statement made by someone other than Steve Young. It was a woman with LE I believe. But almost immediately following that Steve Young came out and said that LE is not confirming that, or never made that statement, or something along those lines. IIRC.

So we have 4 possible scenarios.

DB failed and LE told her she failed.
DB did not fail and LE told her she failed.
DB failed and LE did not tell her she did.
DB did not fail and LE did not tell her she did.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that DB would make up something like that. So, I think it's likely the first or second scenario is the truth.

All MOO

While I do believe DB failed the poly, I don't believe that LE confirmed with her exclusively that DB had failed. Kelly also reported that LE confirmed the 2:30 a.m. phone call with her. She also reported that Fox news had, in hand, DB's phone records, and they didn't.

 

[madge]

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My problem is that neither parent looked in on Lisa. Her room was the last thing checked after every other thing was observed...with BOTH of them. This leads me down the road that she was not a priority in the story they each told. If one was to break down their statements, much is amiss.

I totally agree, she was not a priority it seems. She was sick and all her mommie thought about was buying a honking box of wine and getting stoned on the porch with her buddies.

We can assume that LE is not satisfied with their answers, I don't care how many times they went down and talked. LE has more questions and they have attorney's so just GO DOWN and talk about to them some more, a hundred times more if that is what it takes to find out what the heck happened to your child!

The Irwin's refusal to do anything except what THEY want to do is just hooey. They should be trying to find their daughter and yes LE is main part of that but refusing to help LE rule you out and move on is just totally ridiculous

 

[cityslick]

When did she start drinking?

Wasn't when SB came back with the wine? In any event, she surely wasn't intoxicated to be deemed negligent at 6:40pm.

 

[Sherbie]

The suspicion or knowledge that a back entrance had been used might have something to do with the weird comment about DB being afraid to search the backyard.

But you're right, Whisperer, if someone was hiding out in a closet up until everybody was asleep it's a bit strange that he turned all the lights on (if DB didn't leave them on).

The backyard comment is huge, IMO. First, it's odd in the sense that you would want to find your child, regardless where she might be, and bring her back inside if safe and sound or get assistance for her immediately if she were hurt. Secondly, it's odd in the sense that the parents looked in other areas, but that's the one area DB was afraid she might find something she couldn't handle?

I believe that comment is at least a large part of the reason for the search we watched take place in that backyard. It was a very, very odd thing to say, IMO, and could indicate to LE that the backyard might be involved in whatever happened.

 

[Whisperer]

Wasn't when SB came back with the wine? In any event, she surely wasn't intoxicated to be deemed negligent at 6:40pm.

Do you mean @ 5:10 when on tape? I can't tell how drunk she was or even if she was drunk. Some alcoholics, if she is one, can hold it together pretty well.

I wish I had more info on her. Was she suffering from post-partum? Anything is possible.

 

[In da Middle]

I don't know where she was when she talked to the boys. I am sure the story has changed no matter what. I distinctly recall her saying she went into their room and asked them if they wanted to sleep with her.

As far as JI using the front door to enter, that would be an assumption. He could have parked out back, which is more likely...and then walked all around the house because the lights were on then checked the boys, then checked on db and woke her up wanting to know what was going on. He noticed a kitten. Where did this kitten come from? Maybe he hates cats, who knows?

She immediately Jumps out of the bed and they go into Lisa's room and find her missing. Neither thought of checking on her prior.

My problem is that neither parent looked in on Lisa. Her room was the last thing checked after every other thing was observed...with BOTH of them. This leads me down the road that she was not a priority in the story they each told. If one was to break down their statements, much is amiss.

Why would this be more likely? They usually parked to the front of the house and there was plenty of room to do so and the very next morning the vehicles are on film out FRONT. Why would he park out back when there is room to park in the front (as usual) then walk up the hill to the front?

 

[madge]

When did she start drinking?

Well she got the booze before JI left for work, so I would venture a guess she started drinking immediately. Maybe she was already half sloshed at the store, she looked to me like she yanked that honking box of winen off the shelf. We don't know her habits but that IS a lot of booze for one person and the neighbor went and got her own box so what does that say about them, they were intent on getting bombed out of their minds.

The fact that nobody checked on the children leaves a big question mark in my mind. If we are to believe the one version of DI's tale, BL was put to bed and NEVER checked on at all, even though she was very sick. That speaks volumes to me about what kind of mother she was.

I dont' trust the neighbors judgement either, she was there with her kid, she was getting drunk. Maybe the other kids killed BL and they are all covering up for each other.

All I know is Baby Lisa is still missing and it seems her parents don't give a freakin flip. MOO

 

[Whisperer]

I'm pretty hung up on the cadaver dog hit. I have to laugh at Joe T explaining it away with defecation and/or a dirty diaper. If that were the case, all cadaver dogs would be hitting on toilets and baby nurseries all over town. GMAB, Joe T.!

 

[Whisperer]

Why would this be more likely? They usually parked to the front of the house and there was plenty of room to do so and the very next morning the vehicles are on film out FRONT. Why would he park out back when there is room to park in the front (as usual) then walk up the hill to the front?

From my perspective, one usually parks closest to the garage. Out here, there are communities where you are not allowed to park your car even in your driveway. You must put it in the garage. If has a remote to the garage, he would park near it or in it, imo.

I really don't care where he entered, I was giving a scenario that I am familiar with. It looked like they had a driveway and I would think more people would park in their driveway than on the street.

I wonder what the driveway looked like that night. How many vehicles do they own?

 

[madge]

I'm pretty hung up on the cadaver dog hit. I have to laugh at Joe T explaining it away with defecation and/or a dirty diaper. If that were the case, all cadaver dogs would be hitting on toilets and baby nurseries all over town. GMAB, Joe T.!

Yep! I'm sure I read also that the JI would not consent to any search of the home except the computer room and BL room.

 

[natsound]

I'm pretty hung up on the cadaver dog hit. I have to laugh at Joe T explaining it away with defecation and/or a dirty diaper. If that were the case, all cadaver dogs would be hitting on toilets and baby nurseries all over town. GMAB, Joe T.!

I'm hung on it too. I know all the arguments already, so save your typing fingers....

 

[madge]

I think the yard had a little driveway beside of the house as well as maybe a driveway at the back to enter the garage and a big patio like area back there???

 

[Whisperer]

One other thing...DB was prescribed anti-depressants. She called them her anxiety meds...another way of minimizing. She got the meds from a doctor who either dx'd her with depression or she told the Dr. she was depressed.

What we don't know is how severe the depression was or when it was prescribed. She tended to play around with that too alluding to a little anxiety. I would say she has more than a little, imo. Having both anxiety and depression leads me down a whole new path...as she more than likely has an Axis I diagnosis.

 

[In da Middle]

From my perspective, one usually parks closest to the garage. Out here, there are communities where you are not allowed to park your car even in your driveway. You must put it in the garage. If has a remote to the garage, he would park near it or in it, imo.

I really don't care where he entered, I was giving a scenario that I am familiar with. It looked like they had a driveway and I would think more people would park in their driveway than on the street.

I wonder what the driveway looked like that night. How many vehicles do they own?

They didn't park on the street. The driveway at night looked just as it does on the very first video clips shown with the work van and the white car parked on the upper end of the driveway out front.

 

[In da Middle]

Yep! I'm sure I read also that the JI would not consent to any search of the home except the computer room and BL room.

If this was true, then how does one explain the intitial dog hit in the bedroom when all searches prior to the search warrant search were consented upon? LE could not just search willy nilly without permission without a warrant.

 

[madge]

The doctor will give you EXTREME caution about mixing anti depressants and anxiety drugs with alcohol. DI was not following her doctors advice because she admitted to MK that she drank what 2 or 3 times a week and that she "entitled" to her adult time. I bet her doctor is thinking twice about what medications they prescribe her now. She should not have been taking ANY of these meds and drinking. She was negligent in a legal sense by doing that. I dont' see why they can't take the other kids due to this fact but it is what it is. I'm sure she is still having her "adult" time, except now she doesn't have to worry about a 10 month olds needs.